Times Cryptic Jumbo 1720 – 8 March 2025. She’ll be coming round the mountain

Hello everyone.  I started slowly with this one, then moved up to a steady medium pace before grinding to a halt on my last couple, for which I ended up using aids.  I also had a couple of letters transposed in one of the anagrams.  Relevant comments inline below.  I accidentally switched off the timer, but I think it took a little over the hour before I fell off the cliff.

They weren’t as it happened the ones that gave me the most trouble, but given the number of plants in the grid, my initial thoughts for a tagline to this post revolved around Flora.  Flora Post(lud)e perhaps … and if you’re not a plant person you may well have felt that the presence of something nasty in the woodshed.  Thanks setter!

Definitions are underlined in the clues below.  In the explanations, most quoted indicators are in italics, specified [deletions] are in square brackets, and I’ve capitalised and emboldened letters which appear in the ANSWER.  For clarity, I omit most link words and some juxtaposition indicators.

Across
1a Tropical bird repeated French word? (6)
MOTMOT Repeated MOT (French word – the French word for “word”)
5a Funny rock-forming mineral buried in mountain pass (7)
COMICAL MICA (rock-forming mineral) buried in COL (mountain pass)
9a County arranged date and support for sleepers (8)
BEDSTEAD BEDS (county) + an anagram of (arranged) DATE
13a Announce candidature? He’s not worth a flutter performing at Bayreuth? (5,4,3,2,3,4)
THROW ONE’S HAT IN THE RING HES NOT WORTH A are anagrammed (flutter) + IN THE RING (performing at Bayreuth?).
I know the argument in support of it, but treating the anagram fodder as a plural entity in this way jars with me a little
14a Warm and protective doctor introducing a major transport system (8)
MOTHERLY MO (doctor) preceding (introducing) THE RLY (the railway: a major transport system)
15a Reportedly a member runs over fast (7)
ALLEGRO ALLEG which sounds like (reportedly) A LEG (a member) + R (runs) + O (over)
16a British prime minister cut down in conflict (6)
BATTLE B (British) + ATTLEe (prime minister) without the last letter (cut down)
17a Eccentric old dean on front of cathedral furnished with pillars (10)
COLONNADED — An anagram of (eccentric) OLD DEAN ON + the first letter of (front of) Cathedral
20a Explicitness of photographic slide (12)
TRANSPARENCY — Two definitions
23a Reasonable-sounding rate for travelling (4)
FARE — FAIR (reasonable)-sounding
24a Type of hound going about in wickerwork cradle (8)
BASSINET BASSET (type of hound) surrounding (going about) IN
26a Treatment for inflammation in young fowl with cold substance (8)
POULTICE POULT (young fowl) with ICE (cold substance)
29a Old Bill’s Cuban story circulating round US city? (12)
CONSTABULARY CUBAN STORY anagrammed (circulating) surrounding (round) LA (US city)
30a Interfering with sound of gong a little (10)
MEDDLESOME MEDDLE, which has the sound of MEDAL (gong) + SOME (a little)
32a Mist one can break up on this side of the mountains (10)
CISMONTANE MIST ONE CAN – anagram (break up).
Another plural fodder!  My main problem here though was unfamiliarity with the word.  Eventually I realised the likely prefix and happily put in the correct answer, then looked at it and changed it to CISMONNATE.  Well, I know now, and have filed it (along with ULTRAMONTANE and TRANSMONTANE) for future reference
34a Unexpectedly Laura sat in as one down under (12)
AUSTRALASIAN — An anagram of (unexpectedly) LAURA SAT IN AS
36a Innards of wading bird initially scanned by hospital department (8)
ENTRAILS RAIL (wading bird) and the first letter of (initially) Scanned by ENT (hospital department)
38a One who is sustained by hill dwellers? (8)
ANTEATER — A cryptic definition, which is clear once you think of an ant hill.
I’m sure I would have seen this normally, but ended up using a wildcard search.  It’s funny how sometimes the ones that get you aren’t the ones you’d think; I wouldn’t have classed this clue as particularly haardvark (sorry!)
39a Smooth-talking, reflecting a lot of rubbish (4)
GLIB — Reversed (reflecting) all but the last letter of (a lot of) BILGe (rubbish)
41a Hard-hearted behaviour not encountered by Naomi? (12)
RUTHLESSNESS — A biblical reference: in the story, Ruth stayed with her mother-in-law Naomi after the death of husband
43a Rabbit on in bed, ultimately about story read out loud (10)
COTTONTAIL ON in COT (bed), the last letter of (ultimately) abouT and TAIL: TALE (story), homophone (read out loud)
44a Pair inside saw first of lags fall headlong (6)
SPRAWL PR (pair) inside SAW and the first of Lags
46a Clothing produced by learner after a quiet shave (7)
APPAREL L (learner) after A, P (quiet) and PARE (shave)
48a New pamphlet going into extremely effective interval music (8)
ENTR’ACTE N (new) and TRACT (pamphlet) going into the outer letters of (extremely) EffectivE
50a Throughout pub, mainly after that clamour is almost done (3,4,3,3,8)
ALL OVER BAR THE SHOUTING ALL OVER (throughout) + BAR (pub) + all but the last letter of (mainly) THEn (after that) + SHOUTING (clamour)
51a Increase has desired outcome for Madame Tussauds for example (8)
WAXWORKS WAX (increase) + WORKS (has desired outcome)
52a Way to make a comeback with introduction of a Royal Society magazine (7)
ARSENAL LANE (way) reversing (to make a comeback) preceded by (with introduction of) A and RS (Royal Society)
53a Jewish ascetic originally enchanted by German city (6)
ESSENE — The first letter of (originally) Enchanted by ESSEN (German city)
Down
2d Best alfresco celebration? (5)
OUTDO — An OUT DO might be an alfresco celebration
3d Noblewoman advances south circling most of Scottish island (11)
MARCHIONESS MARCHES (advances) and S (south) around (circling) most of IONa (Scottish island)
4d Huge drawing spanning English river (8)
TOWERING TOWING (drawing) spanning E (English) and R (river)
5d Shrewd childminder’s beginning to change (5)
CANNY — nANNY (childminder)’s first letter (beginning) is to change
6d Plant gathered for those attending (7)
MUSTARD — MUSTERED (gathered), soundalike (for those attending)
7d Quackery Harry and Al can’t reform (11)
CHARLATANRY HARRY and AL CANT are anagrammed (reform)
8d In a relaxed position retailing pork pies? (5)
LYING — Double definitions, the second relying on a less common meaning of retail: to relate or recount in detail
9d Weaver’s out of bed — get drinking! (7,2)
BOTTOMS UP BOTTOM (the weaver in A Midsummer Night’s Dream)’S UP (is out of bed)
10d Stupid wee boy entertains dull individual (5)
DWEEB — StupiD WEE Boy holds (entertains) the answer
11d Terribly thin setter, last to teach fractions (11)
THIRTEENTHS — An anagram of (terribly) THIN SETTER with the final letter of (last to) teacH
12d A new set in charge, pure and virtuous (7)
ANGELIC A + N (new) + GEL (set) + IC (in charge)
18d Secular priest’s love managed to embrace American conservative, we hear (9)
ORATORIAN O (love) + RAN (managed) going around (to embrace) A (American) and TORI (TORY – conservative, we hear)
19d Copper stabs doctor in the manner of a horror novel (7)
DRACULA CU (copper) goes into (stabs) DR (doctor) and À LA (in the manner of)
21d New mate’s air primarily impressing plant (9)
ARTEMISIA — An anagram of (new) MATES AIR with the initial letter of (primarily) Impressing
22d Cultivated tips of younger allium plant (4,4)
ARUM LILY — An anagram of (cultivated) the outer letters of (tips of) YoungeR and ALLIUM
25d Impasse occurring when horse’s companion dislodges bishop (9)
STALEMATE STA[b]LEMATE (horse’s companion) dislodges B (bishop)
27d River vessel, one skirting the Italian bell towers (9)
CAMPANILI CAM (river) + PAN (vessel) and I (one) going round (skirting) IL (the Italian)
28d Graduate in transport company having an important position (8)
MAINLINE MA (graduate) + IN + LINE (transport company)
31d Experienced organisation promoting peace leaves river (7)
DERWENT — [un]DERWENT (experienced); UN (organisation promoting peace) leaves
33d Spongy sweet damages permit blocked by His Majesty (11)
MARSHMALLOW MARS (damages) and ALLOW (permit) containing (blocked by) HM (His Majesty)
34d Cloud identified by singer standing outside back of manor (11)
ALTOSTRATUS ALTO (singer) + STATUS (standing) around (outside) the last letter of (back of) manoR
35d House doctor sits with a guitar (11)
SAGITTARIUS — Make an anagram of (doctor) SITS with A GUITAR
37d Oil producer left half of France under the protection of two lots of crack troops (9)
SASSAFRAS — The left half of FRAnce is inside (under the protection of) SAS SAS (two lots of crack troops)
40d Piece of mail inviting depravity, do we hear? (8)
POSTLUDE POST (mail) + LEWD (inviting depravity), soundalike (do we hear?).
This was the second of the clues for which I gave up and used a wordfinder and again I don’t know why I didn’t get it
42d Posh old man penning unfinished song in Swedish city (7)
UPPSALA U (posh) + PA (old man) containing (penning) PSALm (song) which is unfinished
43d Officer picked up slender Irish girl (7)
COLLEEN COL (officer) + LEEN, sounding like (picked up) LEAN (slender)
45d Organ recorded in concert room’s entrance (5)
LIVER LIVE (recorded in concert) + Room’s first letter (entrance).
I was looking for a homophone here and grumbling about obscure names for parts of buildings – d’oh!
47d Endlessly lie around idly in Pennsylvania square (5)
PLAZA — Without the last letter (endlessly) LAZe (lie around idly) in PA (Pennsylvania)
48d Woman’s article accepted by European journal finally (5)
ETHEL THE (article) in (accepted by) E (European) and journaL finally
49d Cross about holding up children’s game (5)
TIGON ON (about) below (holding up) TIG (children’s game – the one I always knew as “tag” or “it”)

6 comments on “Times Cryptic Jumbo 1720 – 8 March 2025. She’ll be coming round the mountain”

  1. Whilst not exactly an easy puzzle most of it yielded to my solving techniques without putting up too much resistance.

    There were two unknown answers, both making their first appearance here. MOTMOT with simple wordplay once a checker had arrived. The other was my bête noire, the obscurity clued as an anagram, CISMONTANE. The wording made MONTANE inevitable but SIC or CIS had me reaching for a coin to toss and of course it landed the wrong way up.

  2. DNF
    Failed to get NHO ORATORIAN. CIS- was no problem; I think I actually knew CISMONTANE, but in any case ‘cisgender’ has appeared often lately.

  3. Having cheated to get CISMONTANE I gave up on POSTLUDE and cheated for that too.

  4. Yep, another Cismontane hater here! But that’s the only quibble, and there were several really neat clues.

    I like concise unambiguous clues like Out-do. Also Anteater raised a smile – one of those clues which is a mystery until the penny drops and then it seems obvious.

    Kitty, I don’t understand the point you make about “plural fodder” anagrams?

    Anyway, thank you for all the elucidations.

    1. Hi Paul. Sorry, I didn’t manage to get back to you yesterday. I don’t know if you will see this now, but in case you do I’ve tried to explain my comment about “plural fodder” below.

      Apologies if you already know what “fodder” is, but for anyone reading who doesn’t, this is content in the clue which is treated as a string of letters in the wordplay. That is, the meaning is completely irrelevant (except in the surface or superficial reading of the clue) – the letters are just there to be manipulated or selected from. So anagram fodder is just the content which is anagrammed.

      Normally fodder is treated as a single entity. So, for the cryptic instruction to be grammatically sound, if you’re making an anagram of GSDKTFHJP it would be (to use the same indicators as in 13a and 32a above):

      GSDKTFHJP flutters
      or
      GSDKTFHJP breaks up

      not

      GSDKTFHJP flutter
      or
      GSDKTFHJP break up

      Of course, in those examples GSDKTFHJP is not one word in the clue. In cases like these there is an argument that it is ok to have constructions such as

      GSDKT FHJP flutter
      and
      GSDKT FHJP break up

      For some this reads naturally, for others it doesn’t. Now that you know what I’m talking about you will have your own opinion.

      (Note that
      GSD and KTF HJP reform
      (as in 7d) passes without comment because the “and” clearly breaks the GSDKTFHJP into two parts.)

      Hope that helps!

  5. The fun was spoiled by too many obscurities. Worst clue for me: 41a, tied with 21d (I don’t enjoy trying to work out a word I’ve never heard of from an anagram). Favourite: 2d.

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