Times 24,381

Solving time: 5:54

A very fast time for me, and so I won’t be surprised if some others get well under 5 minutes. A pretty straightforward puzzle, though with lots of fun clues. I particularly liked 6A (MAGOG) and for some reason 3D (LOOK DAGGERS). But my pick for clue of the day is the homophone at 16A (SEE YOU).

Nothing that struck me as very obscure, except that I didn’t know one of the meanings of “rose water” at 13D. Perhaps a mopoke is not the best known owl, nor rigadoon the best known dance, but they both pop up now and then, at least in crosswords. Perhaps Weston-super-Mare is not the best known English town for non-UK solvers?

Across

1 DE(LIGHT)ED – this could be “in fact” indicating “in deed” (with or without a space, though I think the latter would be deprecated in the Times), or Chambers gives “deed” as an archaic meaning of “fact”.
6 M(aiden) + AGOG – “has” is a slightly odd link word, but probably worth it for the suggestive surface
9 MOOSE – initial letters
10 X, Y, LOP + HONE
11 BED-AND-BREAKFAST – (A DEFT BANKER’S BAD)* – it is, I think, an obsolete sort of share transaction in the UK, as the Revenue stopped it (sale and next day repurchase of the same shares) being an effective way of crystallising a capital gain or loss about 10 years ago.
13 RIGA + DO ON
14 (c)AS(h) + SIGN – that’s “detail” as a verb meaning “to set apart for a particular service”, which is close in meaning to “assign”
16 SEE YOU (=”C, u”)
18 TIBERIUS – (BRUISE IT)*
21 W + EST + ON SUPER MARE – EST is SET*, and the following three words can be seen as clued individually or as a phrase
23 TALL SHIPS – (SPILLS THAT)*
25 THO’ + N(o) G(ood)
26 REAL + M – I have just looked this up and discovered it is the current Brazilian currency. I am afraid I hadn’t noticed that they stopped using the cruziero 15 years ago
27 GOLD CREST – “or” being GOLD. Something feels odd about this clue. I think it is partly the fact that the breakdown of the bird’s name is merely into the description of the bird that led to its naming, if you see what I mean.

Down

1 DEMO + B
2 LOOK DAGGERS – (GODS GLARE OK)*
3 G + LEA + NED – normally I ignore clues with cross-references until I have the other answer, but this was so obviously GLEANED that I filled it in and then filled 24 in, scarcely reading the clue
4 T(EX)T + BOOK
5 (a)DUL(C(of)E)T
6 M.O. POKES
8 GREETING + S – with no indication that GREETING’s meaning of “weeping” is Scottish
12 A PI G.I. NAP OKE – I was momentarily at a loss to explain the E, but OKE works OK for “all right”
13 ROSE WATER – two meanings. I had no idea that it meant “superfine”, or what “superfine” meant. Chambers confirms the meaning of ROSE WATER, and gives two meanings for superfine – especially fine, or “excessively fastidious or proper”. I imagine that ROSE WATER corresponds to the latter
15 DISPOSAL, being (LA(SOPS + 1)D)(all rev) – DISPOSAL means “control” in the sense of “right of bestowal”
17 OP. + O.S. + SUM
19 ER(RAT)IC
20 A S. KING – odd definition – “to be had for this”. Unless the setter believes that honours are freely available. I understood some of them at least were rather expensive
22 EIGHT, being (TH(G(r)I(p))E)(all rev)

36 comments on “Times 24,381”

  1. This came as a blessed relief after the difficulties of the last two days. I only paused for breath at the very end to consider whether there could be any possible alternative at 6 to the, unknown to me, mopokes. I liked the suitably minimalist clue to thong.
  2. Cannot have been two more differing consecutive puzzles than these last two in a long long while. This one seemed to go in without pausing, even though words like MOPOKE and RIGADOON, or even ROSE WATER or GOLDCREST may have not been common knowledge. I guess the cluing was so straightforward, there could not have been an alternative. About 12 mins, which is super-fast for me, after about 2 hours yesterday!! On the one hand you feel chuffed to have done it so quickly, on the other hand you feel cheated out of the extra time spent enjoying it – its a lose lose world for a setter !!
  3. As said, a welcome relief. About 45 minutes for me.
    Didn’t know MOPOKES or that BED AND BREAKFAST was a kind of share dealing.
    If 7 dn is GOO is it GOOD that is supposed to be desirable? King in ASKING is odd.
    Slight quibble with THONG. From close observation in Croydon shopping centre thongs are hardly confined to the beach. Is this what you people call definition by example?
    COD to SEE YOU, no question.
    1. Yes to GOOd for desirable. King is an honour when playing bridge. You are right about thongs, though Chambers does mention the beach as a possible place to wear them. And of course, in Australia they are flip-flops and even more suitable for the beach.
      1. Oh no! Bridge again.

        I am ashamed to say I was not thinking about antipodean footwear but what some refer to as the Brazilian Bikini. What is closely observed by yours truly in the shopping centre is the female version of a style of dress variously known as the “Dagenham cleavage” or more elegantly as “buiders’ bum”. The distinction is that the nether garment retains its original position when wearers (usually female thank heaven) retrieve goods from bottom shelves. About as sexy as my plumber.

    2. this came up only a few days ago – the “royal” cards in a pack are the honours – hence honour=king.
    3. Definition by example is using the particular to define the more general. The one I have come to hate is “estate” used to define “car”. “Beachwear” is more general than “thong” because it also covers “bikini”, “costume” and so on. So, no it’s not an example of definition by example.
  4. Very easy and finished in just over 10 minutes solving left to right, top to bottom, no hold-ups. The long answers went straight in from the definitions; an instrument beginning with “unknowns” had to be XYLOPHONE; and so on.
  5. much easier today despite a touch of man-flu, which i shall use as my excuse for the inexcusable rain water and consequent 16ac ice box as in cooler. cod 8d greetings.
  6. 12 minutes, though lots of that was spent double checking the answers which contributed to MOPOKES, which was entirely unknown to me before today, and still looks an unlikely sort of a word, however much I think about it. As always in these cases, I think the equations are: everything I happen to know = “reasonably expected level of general knowledge”, everything I don’t know = “utterly ridiculous obscurities, which it is totally unfair to use in a puzzle” 🙂
  7. 6:05 for this one, so well done Richard. I just read 27 as a double def, the bird’s comb being a “gold crest”. This, 20 and 15 were the slight hold-ups at the end after an easy top half, remembering MOPOKE from previous appearances.
  8. 25 minutes. Mostly straightforward stuff except the unknown MOPOKES at 6dn and the required meanings of ROSE WATER at 13dn. I didn’t understand THONG until coming here and couldn’t help wondering if they had omitted a “t” from “but useless”.
  9. The first one I’ve completed without aids in about a fortnight. 30 minutes. Made steady progress all the way through: first in DEMOB, last in ASSIGN. SEE YOU made me laugh and is my COD too. Got MOPOKES from the wordplay. For a while was looking for the 27 bird to be an anagram of OR ITS COMB. Thanks Richard for the explanation of DISPOSAL.
  10. 14:08 .. a case of more haste, less speed for me. ASSIGN and ASKING caused me several minutes of brow-furrowing, and I was slow in seeing the long multi-word answers.

    COD sort of chooses itself this time .. 16a SEE YOU.

  11. Nice easy one today for a change. Having dredged up mopoke from some dusty recess of memory I had no trouble at all with Rigadoon, having assumed a connection with the well known musical Brigadoon – which however is illusory. No connection at all, it turns out.

    Goldcrest is quite an accurate description by ornithological standards (lemoncrest would be better still). Most birds seem to look nothing like what they are supposed to, viz. bluetit etc. etc. I am still recovering from watching a fish on television called a Sarcastic Fringehead…

  12. 14:30, slowed by mopokes and the pairing at 13. I nearly stuffed up 13a thinking that party in progress was DO in GO ON which led to RIGODOON, but RI being a state didn’t quite work and looking at RIG? dug me out of that particular bear trap.

    Agree on CU as COD.

    1. “RI being a state”: that would work perfectly! You must mean “RI being a capital”.
        1. So you did – but you can rely on cryptic xwd solvers to find alternative interpretations!
    2. I was similarly confused for a moment because I have always used the alternative spelling RIGODON
  13. As has been said, what a contrast with yesterday’s. Only a few clues required thought, so 15 minutes to complete, giving me a chance to start belatedly on Saturday’s. There were a few elements I didn’t understand, such as the definition in 11, GREETING from “expressing sorrow” and “superfine”, but there was no doubting the answers.
  14. 41:10. Lots went straight in, and had two-thirds finished inside 10 minutes. Held up by the large number of words not in my vocab. Quite pleased to finish without aids or mistakes.

    Didn’t know MOPOKES, RIGADOON, GREETING (as sorrow), SUPERFINE, DISPOSAL (as control) and BED & BREAKFAST (as share dealing).

    Several others went in without full understanding, like 12, 20 & 27.

  15. 30 mins, for what I found to be the easiest puzzle in a long while, although I note from Richard’s explanations that there was more to many clues than I noticed at the time. Another vote for CU.

    I am at an advantage with mopokes since they are reasonably common in Perth. One used to sit in a tree in our back yard and go “mo poke” (or “boo book” or “more pork” depending on regional dialect) late into the night.

    1. I forgot to say the expression “as miserable as a mopoke” (after their forlorn cry) once had some currency in Aus, but I can’t remember hearing it for some time. The one in my tree sounded happy as Larry. – koro
  16. I found this very easy too, esp top half the grid. 20 mins. Liked SEE YOU too – I think I’ve seen that before somewhere but no reason not to like seeing it again.
  17. Keep getting stuck in the south east corners. thought the use of Or for Gold wsa jolly clever…didnt really like disposal – have a quibble with the definition and COD was definitely See You. after yesetrday it was fast but not as fast as most of those here…so will have to do more training!
  18. 9:48 here, so I found it pretty much the same as most others. Easiest one for a while in fact. The only trouble I had was with ASKING at the end, which probably held me up for about half a minute before I saw how it worked.

    I don’t think anyone else has explained it yet, so I will. The “odd definition” is just based on the phrase “(something) to be had for the asking”, meaning available if you want it.

  19. 13 minutes, complete guess at GOLDCREST, actually the whole Florida corner was what kept this from being under 10 minutes. MOPOKES from wordplay, everything else pretty straightforward.
  20. Same experience as most others, a breeze after yesterday; about 15 minutes, no real hold ups. Strange, in that there are about the same number of utterly unknown words today (to me) as yesterday: today’s are MOPOKES, RIGADOON, GREETING as sorrow, BED AND BREAKFAST as any financial arrangement, this meaning of ROSEWATER. Agreed, COD is SEE YOU. Regards.
  21. Weston-Super-Mare was the solution to a Telegraph clue sometime earlier this year I think which made ROSE WATER thence RIGADOON plain. Many, like BED-AND-BREAKFAST and XYLOPHONE dropped right in with MOPOKES making sense from wordplay. MOOSE right off because I’m like Canadian, eh?
    Thoroughly enjoying these of late despite some pretty grinding ones.
    COD 16a SEE YOU and the toughest for a while GOLDCREST making the south-east
    corner somewhat of the challenge others found. About half an hour.

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