Times 24331 – Another Fine Mess

Thank you to Peter for taking the register, I am here now, courtesy of a coffee shop in Skipton, having a break from walking up hill and down dale. Glad to find that today’s puzzle was not the sort of horror which would have kept me here till lunchtime testing the battery level on the laptop! Time around 25 minutes, a lot of which was in the NW corner (not just me, going by early comments…) If the blog stops mid-sentence, please be reassured that means the computer has given up the ghost and not me (I hope).

Across
1 COLLIERY – CRY round OLLIE: last time a setter used the nuts = coal definition, I thought I’d learned something new (and mused how many people today would get the reference when everyone has central heating instead of a coal delivery), but it obviously didn’t stick, as it took ages to remember it today. I imagine I wasn’t alone in looking for a word meaning “hardy” which was made up of ‘N’ inside an illness. The other question would be whether OLLIE is sufficiently distinctive to be Hardy, as, say, Sherlock would be taken to indicate Holmes? My view is that it’s stretching a point, but any misleading that was done here was the perfectly fair sort.
5 COMBED – M.B. in CO-ED.
10 CANNA – C(ape) + ANNA gives the tropical plant, which, as usual, I deduced from wordplay, rather than knowing from gardening experience.
11 APOSTOLIC – POST + (OIL)* in A.C.
12 SHORTHORN – Though I missed the “nuts” for coal, as soon as I saw “neat” I was looking for cattle. The second cape in three clues is a little jarring, even though they’re used differently.
13 CHASE – Double def, “pursuit” and a frame used in printing.
14 REAGENT – Ronald REAGAN with the A replaced by E, plus a T(ime).
16 TALLOW – as in a “tall story”, so a “tall Ow”.
18 RECESS – double def.
20 ECLOGUE – EC + LOG + U + E.
22 ALTER – (H)ALTER.
23 UNDAUNTED – UN + AUNT inside DE(E)D.
25 SLUMBERER – S(ingular) LUMBERER i.e. feller – we’re getting some good concealed definitions today.
26 INNER – INN + E.R.; in archery the rings on a target include Inners and Outers.
27 ANKLET – cryptic def.
28 BEANPOLE – BE + A N(orth)POLE.
 
Down
1 COCKSURE – COCKS + (River) URE.
2 LENTO – LENT + ‘O’, &lit. – this is the musical direction for “play slowly”. My own slowness in the NW corner was not mitigated by initially writing in LARGO, a classic case of seeing something which superficially works with the surface, and fits the space, without thinking it through.
3 IVAN THE TERRIBLE – (RELATIVEINBERTH)* rather leapt off the page.
4 READ OUTREDOUBT, minus the B(achelor), plus an A.
6 OPTICAL ILLUSION – cryptic def., a fancy is an illusion which might deceive the viewers = eyes.
7 BILLABONG – great one for cricket fans, doubly so for Australian cricket fans; amongst the “extras” you can score in cricket are NO BALLs, here reversed in BIG to give the water course famously mentioned in “Waltzing Matilda”.
8 DOCKER – double def.
9 BONNET – cryptic def (unless you’re American in which case presumably it needs to be HOOD to work locally…
15 AWESTRUCK – WEST IN A RUCK: unusual to see the bridge player spelled out in full.
17 GENDARME – GEN (dope as in “information”) + R(esistance) in DAME.
19 SQUARE – redolent of the 1950s, this clue, when hep-cats would have been deriding squares, while people on National Service did square-bashing at Catterick. The finest example of marching up and down the square can be seen here.
20 ENDORSE – (DON)* in ERSE.
21 NAUSEA – (UNA) + SEA (= “main”).
24 TONDO – (policeme)N in TO DO; I have an odd feeling I may have blogged about this artistic feature before…

Special apologies for any errors or omissions in today’s post, as I am returning to my internet-free and mobile-phoneless wilderness for the rest of the week and shan’t be around to find out about them, never mind make corrections…

37 comments on “Times 24331 – Another Fine Mess”

  1. Two capes, two cops, two complaints … and one more obscure use of “chase”. Liked the other well-hidden stuff too: “Hardy” = OLLIE; “item of tack” = HALTER; and “relief” = TONDO — but spent ages trying to justify “neat” as SHORTNESS which, of course, it wasn’t! Have we had the NO-BALL in BILLABONG before? Seems to ring a bell.
    So I enjoyed this puzzle after the easier one yesterday and got it done in 51 minutes including making two espressos and a plate of toast and Vegemite. So a few minutes less than this.
    Also tested the punctuality of the on-line puzzle. It wasn’t there at 6:59 (23:59 UK time), but it was right on the dot of 7:00 (midnight).
  2. Busy day so came here with 2 unsolved. No prizes for guessing which.
    Infer from above that 1ac is COLLIERY in which case it gets my COD. From that I guess 4dn is READ OUT but don’t know why.
    Much more challenging than yesterday and enjoyable as a consequence.
      1. Thanks MC. Fieldwork as redoubt completely new to me.
        Amazing what you can learn from xwds. In the course of failing to solve 1ac I reminded myself of all the novels of Thomas Hardy and that he died of pleurisy (ie not something to do with colic).
  3. Out of time at 40 minutes with 1A, 4dn and 5ac unsolved so I looked them up. Very annoyed that I had considered the Laurel and Hardy angle at 1ac quite early on when I had another starting letter in mind because of an error at 1dn, and when I corrected that error I didn’t go back and try OLLIE again. If I had it was there for the taking and I would then undoubtedly have solved 4dn without further difficulty. At 5ac I was convinced “school” wold be “pod” and I couldn’t get it out of my mind.

    I didn’t understand BILLABONG before I read mct’s comment above, but this was mostly a straightforward puzzle which I was just unable to close out in the time available.

  4. About 35 mins today, but with no particular problems, although I didn’t fully understand READ OUT until coming here. Thanks mctext.

    Last two solved were 1ac which I thought was brilliant and 14ac which, for ages, I was convinced was sure to contain ABE.

  5. …. its all a bit fun this pre-blog commentary – much like twittering schoolchildren waiting for the teacher to arrive. posting feels a little daring to me!

    anyway – enough nostalgia – it looks as if this week is going to be slightly more palatable than last weeks hard stuff. this was a slow plodder, but nothing horrible. That said, two went in without a clue as to why. 1A had to be COLLIERY from the checkers, but even though I now see the word play, why nuts? Also I assume 19D is SQUIRE, but again not sure why.

    1. Nuts is a type of coal (short for chestnut coal).

      19D is SQUARE, as in “square bashing” (soldiers drilling) and a square can be an old fogey.

      1. But then … only an old fogey would use “square” to mean “old fogey”! It’s just like, so five-minutes ago!
  6. After a very slow start, (first in ALTER),managed to gather some momentum, and after about 18 min, only had the NW to sort out. Oh dear. Had to go to the aids to finish in 32 min. Quite grumblified, but have no legitimate complaints.
  7. Have I missed the clever bit, or is the clue for 6D a bit weak? I guess the surface is meant to allude to TV, but it seems almost a straight def with little cryptic….. cue the d’oh moment….
  8. 10:59 – last in were 4 and then the big penny-drop at 1A. Remembered coal nuts and the printing chase.
  9. 25 minutes. COLLIERY is excellent and like others my last in as I finally remembered nuts of coal. Nice puzzle.
  10. So why is shorthorn a drink? The cow I knew, and my dictionary says a carrot, which was a new one… But a drink?
    Or am I just being slow as usual?
  11. OK – I thought the neat referred to “short”. So why does “neat” mean “shorthorn” then?!
    1. Well I have never heard that before. I’m obviously a shorthorn (in the US sense)! Many thanks. Shall try and log that one in the old sieve…
  12. This was tricky and I needed three sittings to finish it. The only new words to me were Tondo and the second obscure definition of Chase in consecutive days. Last two were Colliery and Gendarme. Colliery took a long time even though I had Ollie. Gendarme was difficult because I was not sure of the crosschecking Inner, which had a weakly padded clue. It’s one of those days where I long for the cliché of “Nice policeman”.

    I was dubious about Billabong being a watercourse as I had always thought of it as still water but no Antipodeans have complained so I must be wrong.

    1. You’re absolutely right about the billabong. That just leaves us to decide whether a watercourse means running water. In Australia, most “watercourses”, including rivers, contain no water at all for many months (if not years) at a time.
      1. COED doesn’t let you count a pond as a watercourse, but has billabong as a branch of a river – so although the water in the billabong may not be going anywhere, it seems fair to count it as a “watercourse”.
  13. 13:35 today, so about average. I saw COLLIERY fairly early, but I was wise to the possibility of nuts=coal, and I always think of OLLIE when I see Hardy in a clue. I’m pretty sure mctext is right about NO-BALL reversed in BILLABONG – I’ve definitely seen it before somewhere too. Last 3 in were RECESS, SQUARE and SLUMBERER. Not sure why, they turned out to be three of the easier clues.
  14. I gave up after I don’t know how long with 1ac, 4d, 12 ac, and 9d undone. Came back some time later and finished it quickly. COLLIERY was a stinker. I liked AWESTRUCK, TONDO, LENTO & GENDARME but COD to COMBED.

    Fortunately I looked up “chase” yesterday, so the printing reference was at the forefront of my brain. The guides at Pompalier House in Kororareka, (whose window you see at left) which houses the oldest mobile printing press in New Zealand (used by the Roman Catholic Church to print scriptures and other texts in the Maori language) assured me that “cut to the chase” was a printing term referring to paper being matched to the chase. I thought that rather dubious, but was prepared to accept upper & lower case (where the type was selected from) as genuine and skiving (splitting the hides into thinner slices and the least physically taxing job in the hide preparation room, albeit the most skilful) as a possibility. “Quoining a phrase” also reputedly stems from printing, as a means of securing a block of text in the chase.

  15. Ran out of time at first sitting, so don’t know full time. Last in 1A and 4D, like many others.

    COD – BILLABONG, although reading the comments perhaps I should withdraw that given that water doesn’t course in a billabong. Agree that 6D was a bit weak. I seem to remember AWESTRUCK in last year’s championship, with a similar clue.

  16. Trouble for me today, so over an hour, and I forgot the coal=nuts connection, so I didn’t understand COLLIERY til reading here. I also didn’t know TONDO, or ‘square bashing’ by soldiers drilling. Still don’t get ‘no ball’= (presumably) ‘extra’, but I assume it’s something to do with cricket. (Strike that; just reviewed the blog again so thanks to topicaltim for the explanation.) Beyond those pitfalls, the NW was the hardest to crack. I’ll nominate COCKSURE as COD. Quite a workout. Regards to everybody.

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