Saturday Times 24311 (Aug 22nd)

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Solving time 17:05, which makes it above average in difficulty for me, but not a real stinker. Actually I was probably just off form, as it doesn’t seem all that difficult in hindsight now. Mind you, the diabolical “homophone” at 5A may have had some English people struggling, let alone Americans and Australians etc.

Across
1 CHOW CHOW – one dog, two portions of food.
5 WIDNES – Cheshire town that supposedly sounds like the way Americans pronounce “witness”.
9 BEATRICE – BE A TRICE
10 GUNG-HO – GUN + GHO(st). I think the “for war” bit was just to help the surface reading – Chambers just gives it as excessively enthusiastic or zealous, no hostile connotations at all.
12 GOVERNMENTAL – GO MENTAL around N(ew) + REV reversed.
15 AGREE – A GREE(n)
16 TOODLE-PIP – “poodle tip”. Stereotypical Englishism for goodbye. I’m sure you colonials think we all talk like that…
18 SIMULCAST – (musical)* + ST. Last one I got, and took a long time to realise most of it was an anagram.
19 ACTOR – part of unsatisfACTORy. Simple but good.
20 WHAT’S-HER-NAME – HE inside (harem wants)*.
24 AS WELL – A(ce) + SWELL
25 BIG NOISE – double definition.
26 TIRING – T(ime) + I + RING
27 ENTREATY – EAT inside ENTRY.

Down
1 CABS – C(ome) + ABS (anti-lock braking system)
2 OKAY – (t)OKAY.
3 CORPOREAL – PORE in CORAL.
4 ORCHESTRATED – O.R. (men) + CHEST + RATED.
6 IN USE – IN U.S. + (Baltimor)E.
7 NIGHTSPOTS – NIGH (close) + [STOPS (bars) + T(ake) reversed]
8 SPOILSPORT – SPOILS + PORT
11 IN CONTENTION – CON inside INTENTION.
13 WARSAW PACT – WAS reversed + “packed”, after WAR.
14 CRIMEAN WAR – CRIME + ANWAR (Sadat, Egyptian president 1970-81)
17 LEAF MINER – (meal fern I)*.
21 SOLON – SO LON(g). A chance was missed to link this to 16A, I think. Solon was an ancient Greek statesman.
22 LIMA – A + M(illion) + 1 + L (pounds), all reversed.
23 BEVY – sounds like “bevvy”, short for beverage. Although it would work without the “say”, as Chambers gives the single-v spelling for the drink too.

11 comments on “Saturday Times 24311 (Aug 22nd)”

  1. The Canadian had to check WIDNES online but otherwise finished in less than half an hour and promptly sent the solution in to the Crossword Club.
    Perhaps ‘American with a head cold’ would have made more sense. I still don’t quite get it. See=witness fine but the rest…?
  2. I quite enjoyed this, despite the horrid-hom at 5ac — as noted in the blog. Couldn’t work it out at the time; so thanks for the clarification. Now I think about it: we were always taught in Phonetics 100 that certain consonants came in pairs — one voiced, the other unvoiced, but otherwise identical in terms of place and manner of articulation: P/B; F/V; T/D. So I guess that if you drop the voice from the T in “witness”, you get “widness”. The question is: do any US accents actually do this? Maybe in gangster movies?

    Another couple of dog clues which fitted in nicely with my spell of dogsitting starting the day before the puzzle came out. COD to WHATS-HER-NAME for an interesting surface that must have taken the compiler ages to construct. Sometimes we under-estimate these efforts.

  3. Surely this is the worst homophone of all time? Because I submit the Saturday cryptics I left this clue a whole day before I could convince myself it was really what was meant. However nothing else would fit, so it had to be..
    1. > Surely this is the worst homophone of all time?

      Well, we’ll need the homophone-critic par excellence to chip in here (Jimbo, that is). But God knows how Dorsetians (?) might imagine Americans (with all of their different accents) might pronounce the name of a northern English town!

      And on homophones …

      I once knew a compiler who insisted that homophony should observe what he called “The Queen’s English”. So I thought about HM’s own peculiar pronunciation and asked him about the following possible clue:
      Verse heard in place of partridge (4,4)

  4. What can one say? I agree that at 10A “for war” looks like padding but that pales into insignificance when put against WIDNES.

    My general dislike of homophones is well catalogued because with regional accents so few words do really sound alike and I think that’s unfair. Just as there is no such thing as an English accent so there is no such thing as an American one. I’ve sat in on conversations when a Bostonian and a Texan have struggled to understand one another. To try and guess how “an American” might pronounce the name of an obscure English town simply should never have been passed by the Editor.

      1. Sorry about that!

        I’m the wartime product of a Cockney mother and a Canadian father. I grew up in South London (Brixton, Balham, Streatham) and only moved to Dorset 25 years ago. So my own accent is probably unique!

        The old accents of the English south coast from say Hampshire through Dorset to Devon are slowly being lost, swamped by foreigners like me. If you’ve heard a Somerset burr they all sound quite like that but with individual differences. Such people wouldn’t have a clue how “an American” might pronounce Widnes and would care even less!

  5. Did anyone else put in SEKT for 23dn (sounds like SECT and it’s a drink, German sparkling wine). I was so sure it was right it held me up in that corner for a long time until I got ENTREATY which I couldn’t fit in.
  6. Could the puzzle setter be queried as to where in America he or she believes that “witness” is pronounced as “widnes?” I have lived in many parts of the US during my 54 years, but I am not familiar with that pronunciation. I have heard Southerners pronounce “oil business” as “awl bidness,” but that’s not quite the same thing.

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