Vintage Olympic Crossword 5734 – originally published 29 July 1948

Solving time: 17:49, but with one wrong.

I’d have done better to solve this before the other Olympic puzzles while I was still fresh. But I tackled them in reverse order, and was so tired by the time I reached this one that I failed to spot the obvious answer to 20dn. And I’m still very tired, so it’s quite possible that I’ve missed some of the finer points (but I trust there’ll be someone out there to enlighten me :-).

I solved all but three clues (25ac, 19dn and 20dn) in 12 or 13 minutes. I’d already thought of MINIVER for 19dn, but in those days the rule that at least half the letters of each answer in a Times (cryptic) crossword must be checked didn’t exist, and the two vowels I had, coupled with the barely cryptic definition, made me nervous. 25ac was annoyingly obvious once I’d found it by working through the alphabet, and seemed to confirm MINIVER, though with three vowels now in place, I still felt the need to check through the alphabet in case I was missing something obvious. Unfortunately by this time, I was so exhausted (and also aware that time was passing, and that I needed to go out before too long) that I skimped on checking through the alphabet for 20dn; and when I couldn’t see anything obvious that fitted, I rashly bunged in PASSBED, hoping that such a word might exist. Damn! It didn’t, and a quick recourse to TEA revealed the obvious. Doh!

cd = cryptic definition (there were a lot more of them around in 1948); bcd = barely cryptic definition; dd = double definition; (…)* = anagram

Across
4, 9 LANDSCAPE GARDENER – cd
10 AMARYLLIS – a quotation from Milton’s Lycidas: “Were it not better done as others use, / To sport with Amaryllis in the shade, / Or with the tangles of Neaera’s hair?” (this quote used to crop up regularly in Times past)
11 CONCLAVE – “Eminence” is the title used to address or refer to cardinals, who meet “in conclave” to elect a new pope
12 EDGEWORTH – EDGE + WORTH; the novelist is Maria Edgeworth, whom presumably few read in 1948, and no doubt fewer still read now
13 PLANGENT – Sir P. Abercrombie was a well-known town planner (i.e. a PLAN GENT) of the day; he is probably remembered now mainly for the Greater London Plan, aka the Abercrombie Plan
14 OPEN-EYED – cd (the lid is an eyelid); nowadays this would be enumerated as (4-4), but this didn’t always happen in the past
18 FOOTPATH – cd
22 ESTIMATE – cd
24 BACCHANTE – a female follower of Bacchus, aka Dionysus
25 ECLIPSES – bcd
26 DILL-WATER – (wild later)*
27 TENEMENT – MEN in TENET
28 STARLIGHT – cd (stars being light-years distant)
 
Down
1 EGGCUPS – cd: the OED includes among its definitions of “meat”: “The flesh of a fruit, nut, egg, etc., likened in texture to the flesh of animals. … Now chiefly N. Amer.
2 FRONTAL – dd
3 SEA-LEGS – a quotation from Coleridge’s The Rime of the Ancient Mariner: “Yes, slimy things did crawl with legs / Upon the slimy sea.”
4 LEAVEN – a direct quotation from Swinburne’s Atalanta in Calydon, which there was no need to look up since all its letters were checked!
5 ARMED TO THE TEETH – cd
6 DARK-EYED – a quotation from John Gay’s song Sweet William’s Farewell to Black-Eyed Susan: “All in the Downs the fleet was moored, / The streamers waving in the wind, / When black-eyed Susan came aboard.” (the third line is occasionally rendered “When dark-eyed Susan came aboard”, but “very” in the clue clearly indicates that the setter had the “black-eyed” version in mind)
7 CULLODEN – the Battle of Culloden (1746) was won by loyalist troops under the command of “Butcher” Cumberland
8 PHILTRES – cd
15 BOTANIST – cd
16 STICKLER – (trickles)* (anagram not indicated! – don’t expect to be spoon-fed in this era 😉
17 KALAHARI – Livingstone certainly crossed the Kalahari Desert on the way to becoming the first European to discover Lake Ngami in 1849, but I don’t really think this is enough to justify “first” in the clue; any other thoughts?
19 MINIVER – bcd (not really cryptic at all when it comes down to it!); most solvers of the period would no doubt remember Jan Struther’s Mrs. Miniver columns in The Times as well as the film Mrs. Miniver starring Greer Garson
20 PASSKEY – PASS (a pass degree is “a university or college degree without honours” (Chambers) + KEY (a crib can be “a key or baldly literal translation, used as an aid by students, etc” (ditto)); there’s no definition of the complete word, but this was not in the least uncommon in this era
21 DENSITY – cd
23 SECRET – bcd

15 comments on “Vintage Olympic Crossword 5734 – originally published 29 July 1948”

  1. Just over 30 minutes with the same one wrong; and I don’t think I can add anything to Tony’s analysis. I couldn’t get away from “honours” being a reference to a card game, and overlooked the degree, so PASS never established itself in my mind. Eventually, I also made up a word, in this case removing 1 from BASSINET(=crib) to get BASSNET, which means…well, I have no idea what I thought it might mean, to be honest (and in any case, I suspect that sort of subtraction clue is a much more modern phenomenon) but in this sort of puzzle, you never know!
    1. I too started out thinking of “honours” at cards, Tim, but as soon as I had ‑A‑S in place for the first four letters, I was pretty sure the clue referred to degrees, and that the answer started with PASS. What I should have done was write it down along with the possibilities for the 5th and 7th letters; but by that stage I was so tired that I didn’t, and so missed what was blindingly obvious as soon as I resorted to TEA.
  2. I was doing quite well on this with 4/9 and 5dn going almost immediately and the lower half flowing nicely and completed but for 20dn. I couldn’t see past card games and cribbage in particular which uses so much arcane terminology that anything might have been the answer – parsley or hayseed crib for one that’s worthless perhaps? Anyway, that took the proverbial wind out of my sails,I lost heart and gave up. I really don’t see the point of clues without definitions.

    Edited at 2012-12-26 09:09 pm (UTC)

    1. As a matter or principle, I don’t really have any objection to clues without definitions provided that it’s clear that they’re part of the deal – which was certainly the case for Times crosswords from the 1930s and 1940s. It would be interesting to know when the last definitionless clue appeared in a Times crossword, but I suspect they were still going strong in the 1950s if not into the 1960s or even later.
  3. I realised fairly soon that I was out of my depth on this one: but I enjoyed filling in what I could (abut half). The real pleasure was coming here and reading Tony’s blog (of which I stand in awe). Many thanks!
    1. Thank you for those kind comments. I have the advantage of having solved – or at least attempted – the Times crossword for more than 50 years, so crosswords like this one are closer in style to the ones I started out with than are today’s puzzles.

      The literary works referenced – Lycidas, The Rime of the Ancient Mariner, Atalanta in Calydon and Sweet William’s Farewell to Black-Eyed Susan (as well as Maria Edgeworth’s Castle Rackrent) – could almost be regarded as “set works” for Times crosswords from the early days. Of course there were a lot of other “set works” as well, so it was assumed that solvers were fairly well read, which was almost certainly more true then (at a time when the typical solver was supposed to be a clergyman, or the provost of Eton 🙂 than it is today.

  4. I did the same as Tony and solved the crosswords in reverse order, but tiredness wasn’t my excuse for an inability to finish it. I completed more than 50% unaided but then ground to a halt. Once I started to use aids I completed all but 20d. Had I realised that allowing clues without a definition was acceptable back then I may have eventually got it, but probably not considering Tony didn’t get it. From the checkers at 10a I got Amaryllis but until I came here I had no idea why it was correct. Clues that refer indirectly to lines in classic literature would have almost always defeated me had I been solving back then, and I suspect I wouldn’t have even become a crossword lover.
    Andy B.
    1. You might have become a crossword lover, but just not of the Times crossword – though, having said that, I find it amazing that dorsetjimbo seems to have stuck it out, despite his professed ignorance of anything remotely literary.

      One reason I’ve always enjoyed the literary clues is that they gave me either an excuse for going back to some favourite piece of verse or prose, or the opportunity to explore something I hadn’t come across before (and there was quite a lot of the latter in my early solving days).

  5. Another one to add to the DNF camp! I did enjoy this even though I had 7 incomplete answers when I finally threw in the towel after about an hour. I did get AMARYLLIS and understood the references. I seem to remember back in the 70s when I first started occasionally having a go that there were often literary quotations to fill in a blank; mostly Shakespeare and Tennyson in my possibly flawed memory. Sadly though I didn’t get the Swinburne quote in this puzzle and I had never heard of Edgeworth but did at least guess the answer. Thanks to Tony for the excellent blog. I wonder if there are any solvers out there who did this back in 1948?
    1. Interesting question. I would imagine that there are still some solvers around who were solving in 1948. I must have first attempted a Times crossword sometime in the late 1950s, though I didn’t start tackling them regularly until late 1962. I’m sure there must be people now in their 80s who were solving regularly in the late 1940s.

      As you say, Shakespeare and Tennyson were always very popular choices for direct quotation clues. The last one (from Milton’s Paradise Regained) appeared in 1995 – just before they were finally killed off when Brian Greer took over as Times crossword editor.

  6. Only just finished the vintage set. I did struggle with this one most, partly I think because it took me time to get into the swing of the setter’s style. Quite a lot went in on a bit of a wing and a prayer, because the solid confirmation you get these days was just missing. But when I got used to it I liked it, almost prefer it even.
    At 16dn it seemed to me that the anagram was sort of indicated; to me it said “.. seen in trickles, if you look hard enough” if you see what I mean. At 19dn Chambers has miniver as a small fur, presumably “in origin” refers to it being a French word. Not sure what Mrs M has to do with it?
    To me black-eyed Susan is just a plant I’m afraid 🙂 – but I did get the slimy legs and Maria E
    1. I think you and I probably have similar views on old puzzles like this one, Jerry. There’s a simplicity about the clues that I find attractive, and often preferable to some of the convolutions one comes across today.

      I like your explanation of 16dn (STICKLER). I think that’s probably exactly what the setter had in mind.

      Your explanation of 19dn (MINIVER) is of course quite correct, and I should really have given it myself rather than simply saying “bcd …”. The reason I brought in Mrs. Miniver is that while I imagine that solvers of the period might not necessarily have been aware of either the meaning or the derivation of “miniver”, almost all of them would have heard of the word because of the film, and probably because of Jan Struther’s column as well. I certainly first came across it through the film.

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