Times crossword 25919: Madrid 913 761 500

This was fun, with some fine punning clues of the kind that make words do stuff they’re not supposed to do. The tricky thing for your obedient servant is that, if one has to explain a bit of gigglesome word play, it often ceases to be funny, and I don’t really want to be some kind of party pooper. Ah well, it goes with the territory. Not much, if anything, in here that will be found outside the capacious volume of the average Times solver’s vocabulary: perhaps one in the bottom left may not ring a bell, so to speak, and there is a bit of cricket and a cute reference to the Bard that you sort of need to know.
It took me 23.21 of rather piecemeal, butterfly solving, though I also didn’t submit until I was confident that all was safely gathered in. Here’s how the plot unravelled

Across

1 ROBUST Strong
Half of RO(om) and BUST for broken. a gentle start
4 PINCHING theft
N(ew) and CHIN as a (facial) feature contained within a PIG. Yes, I did try to make RUSTLING fit the wordplay.
10 COCHINEAL Colouring
It’s the one I can name because it’s delightfully still made from the body and eggs of the cochineal insect, which appeals to the schoolboy in me. Our setter helps us with the spelling by saying it’s COAL (a sort of black) round CHINE, A cut of meat.
11 STAIR this part of the case
A homophone which really does sound like: STARE for look. I thought the use of “case” on its own was perfectly fair.
12 PAS dance movement
A PAS is a step or series of steps especially in ballet. I think its just knock the end of PAS(t), because not quite finished usually means just that, but I also thought PASSÉE might just be possible.
13 FRANCOPHONE Having a particular language
In this case, French. The distance of history allows us (me anyway) to laugh out loud at the telephone for communicating with the former Spanish dictator. 913 761 500 is the current number of his official residence, the Palacio Real De El Pardo, should you wish to try. Mucha mierda!
14 MALAWI state
Young girl is MAID, knock the end of and wrap around LAW for rule for “The Warm Heart of Africa”
16 PRICKLE spine
A slightly flesh creepy clue (needles have that effect on me). Last of lumbar just gives R, and PICKLE is the difficulty it “punctures”.
19 LIE DOWN to rest
An assembly of LIED (song in German) and own for have.
20 ROTATE turn
RE is crossword (and Latin from in re, in the matter of) for about, and you insert a peeled (p)OTAT(o)
22 DISINCLINED Not keen
Which could also mean, English being the gloriously malleable language that it is, to “take the incline out of” or set upright, just as the setter says.
25 ICE sweet!
Regularly sourced from InChEs
26 EMOTE Show feelings
I loved the notion of an ETOME, adding weight to an essentially ethereal publication
27 SLINGBACK footwear
If you contemptuously refuse something, you might sling it back.
28 SOLITUDE in this, they miss the company
TU, Trades Union, are the workers, except when they’re not. Insert into SOLID for firm and add a final E from (retir)E
29 COME IN Enter
H(usband) and W(ife) go AWOL from CHOW MEIN

Down

1 RECIPE formula
E(uropean) inside a rearrangement of PRICE.
2 BACKSPACE key
Here’s the cricket one. What does a cricket captain do if he doesn’t trust the spin (bowlers)? Why, he backs pace.
3 STIFF Formal, body
So a double definition
5 IN LOCO PARENTIS Teacher may be…
An anagram af the delightful APRICOTS ONLINE
6 CASHPOINT pay here
Though I would have thought it’s more likely get cash out here. Divide the clue carefully, it’s a (new) letter mix of SHOP I with CAN’T for “am unable to” surrounding
7 IMAGO Fully developed adult
The final (pre squish) form of (usually) an insect. If I have my computing right, bits are either 1 or 0. they embrace a MAG or publication
8 GARDENER Domestic
In Shakespeare’s As You Like IT the scene is set in the Forest of Arden, where a G(ood) forester might be a G(ood) ARDEN-ER. Oooh suit yourself.
9 RENATIONALISED Given new ownership
My LOI, because I wanted to be sure of that first letter. RATIONALISED for “made more efficient” and EN(d) retained near the beginning.
15 ADORNMENT Trimming
R(oyal) N(avy) MEN (personnel) get into A DOT
17 KITTIWAKE Winger
Appeared a mere 16 days ago in 25905, so those of you who had to look it up then have a simple test of how quickly memory fades. This time the KIT is clued with gear, the TI with it turned up and the WAKE with wash.
18 GLADDENS cheers!
Lost time trying to remember Gaelic toasts like slàinte, without conspicuous success. It’s not a toast. Add ADD to the GLENS.
21 WELKIN Heavens
I don’t think I’ve come across this outside Christmas carols and folk songs, and always in the context of making the welkin ring, making a lot of cheerful noise. The wordplay gives it to the unacquainted with a simple WIN around ELK, though I dare say you could try some other large animals.
23 SPOIL Earth dumped round top of pit
A neat little &lit. The wordplay version gives SOIL for earth around the top of P(it)
24 DOGGO so as not to be seen
Please move gives DO GO, which is placed round the G at the back of staginG.

60 comments on “Times crossword 25919: Madrid 913 761 500”

  1. A mere 1 hour and 57 minutes for this, with last in an unparsed BACKSPACE, so thanks to Zed for that. Off for a lay-down….
  2. Resorted to aids to complete this, though it was perfectly fair. Needed help for MALAWI, RENATIONALISED, GLADDENS and COCHINEAL.

    Worst of all, I needed all those checkers in place to get the cricket reference. Of all the areas in which I lack knowledge, cricket is where I lack the least. And this clue actually required a rudimentary knowledge of the game! Put it down to a bad day.

    As for captains who don’t trust spinners, don’t get me started. And it’s getting worse with big bats, small boundaries, top edges going for six, mutter, mutter….I said not to get me started.

    Well played setter and blogger. Solver, not so much.

  3. After my online eperience, I seemed to be prone to mis-writing. Stuffed up BACKSPACE, leaving me with P_P at 12ac. Looked at it for ages before spotting the mistake. Blame it on the weather? Or Call It Karma?
  4. For the second day in a row, a very entertaining 18 minutes. BACKSPACE was last to fall, and I’m normally right on top of the cricket-based clues, so that was the biggest penny-drop moment of several well-crafted ones.

    I raised an eyebrow at CASHPOINT as a place where money is spent, rather than acquired – surely you pay at a cash desk, I thought, possibly with money you’ve taken out of a cashpoint. It came as no surprise to find that Chambers backs up both meanings where other dictionaries don’t.

    1. You can make bill payments and transfers at cashpoints in Hong Kong. Many people do it, in fact, as you find out when you’re caught behind them!
  5. Completed this in 57 minutes after a very steady but enjoyable solve, never stuck for ideas for a moment and without the need to resort to aids. The only bit I didn’t understand was the I/O in 7dn.

    Fortunately for the cricket reference I read an article only last week on different styles of bowling following another clue which referred to spin as being slow, something I hadn’t known previously. And the week before I watched Simon Callow’s “Life of Shakespeare” which mentioned the forest of Arden near Stratford so that was in my mind too. STAIR was my last one to fall.

    1. The clue’s not quite fair. There are slow bowlers who do not spin the ball. A (then) older chap called Les Ludlum who played for New Brighton comes to mind. He’d lope up to the stumps off three or four paces and lob the ball straight into the blockhole every time. Took a surprising amount of wickets and, if not, keep the scoring to a minimum. By the same token, plenty of pace bowlers apply spin to their deliveries. The point is taken but.
      1. I think my ignorance of the sport is a definite advantage. It’s a whole jumble of stuff but without any appreciation of the nuances of meaning, or even that they exist.
      2. Way too picky McT. The pace / spin dichotomy seems quite reasonable to me, notwithstanding the efforts of the great Les Ludlum(?).

        Of course in the days of Warne and McGrath, the decision to trust spin or back pace came down to whether you wanted to finish in time to play nine holes or eighteen.

  6. A bit of a tester. 46.20. Not sure about 9 – given old ownership? And if I were a professional gardener I wouldn’t care to be lumped in with maids and the like, but I can see it’s olde-worlde valid. And come to think of it it makes a good surface. There should be a Welkin Society for the words that used to light up the language but are now dimmed in the crepuscular dusk.
  7. Clean bowled by the setter today: I couldn’t see any alternative to BACKSTAGE at 2dn so eventually bunged that in. Hopefully that’s my stupidity for the week out of the way. Very good puzzle.
    Z8, if you haven’t come across WELKIN outside the contexts you mention it can only have been through a conscious effort to avoid Shakespeare. One example sticks in my mind on account of having to learn it for a school play many years ago:

    Richard:
    Fight, gentlemen of England! Fight, bold yeomen!
    Draw, archers, draw your arrows to the head!
    Spur your proud horses hard, and ride in blood;
    Amaze the welkin with your broken staves!
    What says Lord Stanley? Will he bring his power?
    Messenger:
    My lord, he doth deny to come.
    Richard:
    Oh @*.

    I may not be remembering all of that accurately.

    Edited at 2014-10-16 08:50 am (UTC)

    1. Should have known Bill the Bard would have it. Dick.3 was not on our reading list, but this was:
      Enter a Messenger]
      Thou comest to use thy tongue; thy story quickly.
      Messenger Gracious my lord,
      I should report that which I say I saw,
      But know not how to do it.
      MACBETH Well, say, sir.
      Messenger As I did stand my watch upon the hill,
      I look’d toward Birnam, and anon, methought,
      The wood began to move.
      MACBETH Liar and slave!
      Messenger Let me endure your wrath, if’t be not so:
      Within this three mile may you see it coming;
      I say, a moving grove.
      MACBETH Should have gone to Specsavers.
      1. 😉
        Google throws up examples of WELKIN in The Tempest, MSND, Love’s Labours Lost, Titus Andronicus, Henry IV Part II, Twelfth Night… so I’m sure you must have heard it before. Not that there’s any particular reason to remember it.

        Edited at 2014-10-16 10:43 am (UTC)

        1. Mayhap, in sooth, the damn’d illiterate
          From Stratford’s river’d bourne engendered
          With all his wonted inventation had
          The bloody word new-born delivered
          Tho’ learned Chambers doth the Bard impugn
          With taking it to mean cerulean
          Those scholars with much lore encumbered
          Do find it buried in great Chaucer’s verse
          And more do stake a claim for Beowulf.
          Yet may that be, but now it is retriev’d
          From dark obscurity by darker arts
          Of English-loving cruciverbalists
          Make us its fame resound to make again
          The heav’ns ring with gladdest approbation
          Lest those of greater ignorance possess’d
          Should think it means collectin’ little shells.
          1. Gadzooks! Such rare inventiveness as we
            Have not these many years here witnessed
            Upon this Russian online message-board,
            Fresh-minted by the sage of Biddlecombe,
            That crossword-lovers all across the world,
            Frustrated, may the answers that they seek
            Here find, and how the wordplay works withal,
            Enjoins me to enquire whether perhaps
            Thou art having a bit of a slow day?
            1. Your insight pierces to the very heart
              Of my involuntary indolence
              Though there be many calls upon my time
              ‘Tis true enough I have known quicker days

              Oh, lest I seem appreciationless
              Your well-match’d lines likewise show Bardliness

                  1. Such as:
                    While flashing beames do daze his feeble eyen,
                    He leaves the welkin way most beaten plaine,
                    And rapt with whirling wheeles, inflames the skyen,
                    With fire not made to burne, but fairely for to shyne.
                    Canto IV Stanza IX
                  2. Spencer, poète des vertus et de la gloire
                    N’oserais-je imiter que dans le frêle espoir
                    D’apprendre un peu plus de son vocabulaire
                    Plus apte pour Mephisto que ce de Baudelaire.
                    1. Merde! Combien de temps vous travaillez là-dessus? C’est merveilleux!

                      Je quitte librement le champ avant que je suis obligé d’essayer Haïkus en hébreu.

  8. 24 mins. Count me as another for whom BACKSPACE was the LOI, and I’m with galspray in thinking that McT is being way too picky about the clue. I also (per keriothe) couldn’t get past “backstage” for ages but because I couldn’t parse it I decided to give it a lot more thought. I had plenty of problems with the RENATIONALISED/DISINCLINED crossers, and it was only after I got the latter that I saw GLADDENS. WELKIN had gone in with fingers crossed but the wordplay seemed clear enough.
  9. This took 50 minutes, but was well worth the effort. Similar experience to that reported by Jack above: steady, enjoyable solving; though trying to justify LAY DOWN caused delay until BACKSPACE went in.

    The surreal image of Mr. Chips getting his fruit online tickled me, as did the couple with their noodles.

  10. The iPad clock said 1hr 34 minutes but as this included walking the dog, I estimate 20+ minutes of enjoyable solving.

    These Shakespeare recollections are all very well but it is probably best to go to the Bard himself, courtesy of Beyond the Fringe. The King is speaking

    Get thee to Gloucester, Essex. Do thee to Wessex, Exeter.
    Fair Albany to Somerset must eke his route.
    And Scroop, do you to Westmoreland, where shall bold York
    Enrouted now for Lancaster, with forces of our Uncle Rutland,
    Enjoin his standard with sweet Norfolk’s host.
    Fair Sussex, get thee to Warwicksbourne,
    And there, with frowning purpose, tell our plan
    To Bedford’s tilted ear, that he shall press
    With most insensate speed
    And join his warlike effort to bold Dorset’s side.
    I most royally shall now to bed,
    To sleep off all the nonsense I’ve just said….

    Edited at 2014-10-16 10:42 am (UTC)

      1. Nice work everyone. My favourite Shakespeare riff (too long to reproduce here) remains Mark Twain’s version of Hamlet’s soliloquy in chapter 21 of Huck Finn.
        1. Here you go, Olivia

          To be, or not to be; that is the bare bodkin That makes calamity of so long life; For who would fardels bear, till Birnam Wood do come to Dunsinane, But that the fear of something after death Murders the innocent sleep, Great nature’s second course, And makes us rather sling the arrows of outrageous fortune Than fly to others that we know not of. There’s the respect must give us pause: Wake Duncan with thy knocking! I would thou couldst; For who would bear the whips and scorns of time, The oppressor’s wrong, the proud man’s contumely, The law’s delay, and the quietus which his pangs might take, In the dead waste and middle of the night, when churchyards yawn In customary suits of solemn black, But that the undiscovered country from whose bourne no traveler returns, Breathes forth contagion on the world, And thus the native hue of resolution, like the poor cat i’ the adage, Is sicklied o’er with care, And all the clouds that lowered o’er our housetops, With this regard their currents turn awry, And lose the name of action. ’Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished. But soft you, the fair Ophelia: Ope not thy ponderous and marble jaws, But get thee to a nunnery—go!

          1. Thanks, bigtone, I had been meaning to google this but didn’t. In my mind’s eye I see Patrick Stewart doing it to great dramatic effect.

  11. After an hour, I had two gaps, where I bunged in backstage and gladness. Both unparsed. Both wrong. Oh well. WELKIN unknown, but gettable from wp.

    Good puzzle, good blog. Thanks to both setter and blogger.

  12. 28 min., after eventually rejecting BACKSTAGE for BACKSPACE as LOI, with similar reaction to galspray’s on final penny drop.
  13. Glad to see I wasn’t the only one in difficulty today. I had LAY DOWN at 19A and without ever doubting it I was never going to fit BACKSPACE in. I also had FRANCOPHILE due to having only half parsed 13A.

    Having no more than half in after 40 minutes I was reasonably pleased with coming close after about another half hour.

  14. It took me a while to find the wavelength, finding it hard, in many cases, to spot which end of each clue was doing what. Eventually it fell into place in about 21 minutes (notionally adjusted for soup shovelling).

    Welkin the only unknown. Having “done” only Antony & Cleo and Troilus and Cressida at length I think I can be forgiven. Likewise at 8 I relied on having heard of the real forest of Arden.

    LOI for me was spoil. COD I think to “come in” from a pretty solid bunch.

  15. 20 minutes but an incorrect LOI in DENATIONALISED due to laziness in not checking the parsing (again).
  16. Didn’t even get close to finishing. I could hardly get started. I think this one separates the men from the boys. Thanks to the blogger for opening my eyes, and to the setter for knocking me back a peg or two.

    On a separate issue, I have been sorely tempted to take the offer, oft repeated in the dead tree version, of taking up a digital subscription and benefitting from an included gift of an I-pad mini. When I called yesterday and pressed with the particular question does the tablet version download the crossword, I was finally told an emphatic “No!”.
    The puzzles are some of the major (but not only) reasons why I buy a copy every day, enjoying the 15 x 15 on the train so I don’t have to struggle with turning the pages. If the crossword is only available when on-line, no good for me, as no WiFi on my line. Can anyone else comment?

    Edited at 2014-10-16 01:35 pm (UTC)

    1. The Times helpdesk has got to be the most ill informed helpdesk I’ve ever had the misfortune to speak to. Whilst the staff seem like they are trying to be helpful answers I’ve got from them have either been unclear or proven to be incorrect.

      I have the digital subscription and get the crossword on my Android tablet each day. I have also tried using an ipad as I think I might switch to one and I can confirm I also downloaded the crossword there.

    2. I get the crossword in the iPad app every day. I don’t know what level of subscription you need for this but if you’re buying the paper every day anyway you might as well go the whole hog. I get a treeware copy delivered to my house every day plus all the online stuff and lots of invitations to events I have no interest in.
      1. Thanks. I’m checking with them again now, because that seems to contradict what they told me yesterday, They don’t seem to know their a&£$ from their elbow!

        Just seen Pootle’s answer, couldn’t agree more.

    3. The iPad version of The Times is a dream. It includes the cryptic, quick cryptic and concise crosswords and is very interactive (more photos than in paper paper – when touch they expand to fill the screen – and videos). Solving crosswords on the tablet is a joy versus pen and paper.
      £21.67 per month including access to Times website and Crossword Club. Can highly recommend.
  17. I thought a brilliant puzzle, had me stumped here and there for almost 50 minutes before correcting LAY DOWN to LIE DOWN and seeing the excellent BACKS PACE idea. Must remember, see KEY, think keyboard.
    Only had a vague recall of Welkin. Mrs K had to confirm the existence of the shoe; is that using aids? Loved the forester and the Spanish phone call. Well done Mr Setter!
  18. I agree with Pip above, this was a lovely puzzle. About 30 minutes, ending with the GLADDENS/SOLITUDE crossing. As you might expect, WELKIN from wordplay only, and BACKSPACE from the def. ‘key’, with absolutely no understanding of the cricketing stuff. I didn’t even know it was cricketing stuff until arriving here. Thanks to the setter, to Z, and to all the iambic commenters. Regards to all, including to the present day occupants of the Palacio, if anyone making that call could relay.
  19. Two missing today (Welkin and Stair) and one wrong (Gatherer not Gardener). Thought Backspace was the pick of a good bunch of clues.
  20. Like [McText], I was a “technical DNF” today.

    In my case, the technicality was that I was completely stumped by half a dozen of the clues.

    1. 14:28 for me – exactly the same as yesterday – for another fine crossword. I thought at one point it was going to be a disaster as I had blank areas at several places around the grid, but the fortunately the answers kept coming slowly but surely. I was particularly relieved when GARDENER (my N2LOI) fell, as I suspected it was (and indeed it turned out to be) the sort of clue I find tricky.

      Once again I raise my hat to the setter.

      1. //Once again I raise my hat to the setter.//

        Likewise. I am happy to raise your hat to the setter.

  21. On peut se tutoyer, non? Un bac français, ça aide parfois… 😉

    Edited at 2014-10-16 09:37 pm (UTC)

    1. Hm

      On peut se tutoyer, non? We can tu, right?
      Bien sûr! Of course!
      Un bac français, ça aide parfois A French tank, it helps sometimes.
      Mais cette Google traduire, c’est de temps en temps un peu d’un cochon n’est ce pas?
      Would you like to come to my place, bouncy bouncy?

      1. Sorry… I went to school in France, so I have a French baccalauréat, ‘un bac français’. Cheating, really.
        1. Tu ne triches point! C’est moi, le francophone dans la famille.

          Ton poème était super!

        2. This exchange is so good I want to print it out to flash round the pub – they think there that blogging is for illiterates. Best thing I’ve read in this vein since the late Alan Coren. (Enid Blyton in iambic pentameters, Pooh Bear in style of Hemmingway etc) Well done chaps! Ann
          1. Now you really are too kind! I remember reading something by Giles Coren once, who said that he sometimes got comments from hostile readers like ‘your father was a hundred times funnier than you’, which he regarded as a compliment.
            1. I have actually managed to print it out. It will amuse my literary friends and maybe persuade some of them to get online! (It must be hard for Giles Coren. We know comparisons are odorous but he seems so devoid of humour. He is also given to making disparaging comments about fat people in his restaurant reviews. I take that sort of thing personally! I’m not gross but I think Julius Caesar would approve of me) Ann
  22. Fitted the crossword in with a concert at the Sage, Gateshead, so no timing possible.
    Very enjoyable crossword though. I couldn’t parse the computer part of ‘imago’, but was confident that the answer had to be that. (Having said that, I’ve come a cropper on that basis more than once).

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