Times 27,971: Primate, Marmite

This felt strangely easy considering the trickiness of the vocabulary – 10ac and LOI 15dn are both spelled completely differently to how they are in my head (with the result that 15dn was my LOI, despite my teenage years having been almost entirely wasted playing Dungeons & Dragons; ALWAYS archmage in my books). And then 18ac and 17dn largely unfamiliar: I worked out the former from the wordplay, as my Penultimate One In, and was like “really? THAT’S a word?”, but all was well that ended well, in a zippy 6 minutes. Could certainly be less Fridayish that that: I managed last Saturday’s puzzle in 2m25, which seemed pretty silly for any day not Monday.

COD definitely goes to 1dn, for the sweet “relative of a shrew” laugh-out-loud penny-drop moment. Thank you very much to the setter for that one!

ACROSS
1 Shot current news report (8)
BULLETIN – BULLET [shot] + IN [current, as in fashion]

5 Wine left to breathe in protective cover (6)
MALBEC – L(eft) + BE [to breathe, as in exist] in MAC [protective cover]

9 Unorthodox head’s key refusal to accept point (8)
ANTIPOPE – A NOPE [key | refusal] “accepting” TIP [point]

10 Northern labourer caught creature eating fish (6)
COTTER – C(aught) + OTTER [fish-eating creature]. I would’ve spelled this “cottar”, but fortunately there is only one way to spell “otter”.

12 Belief in some sacred order (5)
CREDO – hidden in {sa}CRED O{rder}. FOI

13 Manage US city with medical service, ultimately in place of political agreement (9)
RUNNYMEDE – RUN N.Y. with MED {servic}E. Magna Carta location

14 Appropriate discussion groups outing cheat (4,3,1,4)
TAKE FOR A RIDE – TAKE FORA RIDE [appropriate | discussion groups | outing]

18 Key at one point right with far from moving piece (12)
CONCERTSTUCK – C ONCE RT + STUCK [key | at one point | right | far from moving]

21 Dance having to ban girl (9)
BARCAROLE – or to BAR CAROLE. I think of a barcarole as a song rather than a dance?

23 Item often illegally exported from country without coast (5)
IVORY – or Ivory Coast minus the coast part

24 Attractiveness of dapper male stripped (6)
APPEAL – {d}APPE{r} {m}AL{e}

25 Pasta to supply a boost, mainly (8)
RIGATONI – RIG A TONI{c}

26 Be indecisive, beginning to discuss the matter with her (6)
DITHER – D{iscuss} IT with HER

27 Girl’s run off after writer (8)
PENELOPE – ELOPE after PEN

DOWN
1 Shrew’s close relative destroyed a cabin (6)
BIANCA – (A CABIN*). Kate’s sister in The Taming of the Shrew

2 What might be Beth’s landlord? (6)
LETTER – double def. Beth is the second letter in the Syriac alphabet

3 Age ponies developed intelligence (9)
ESPIONAGE – (AGE PONIES*)

4 Flaw in paragon’s claim? (12)
IMPERFECTION – A paragon might claim “I’M PERFECTION!”

6 Suffering some to be blocked by progress (5)
AGONY – ANY “blocked by” GO

7 British like sportsmen losing large and being a real letdown (8)
BATHETIC – B(ritish) ATH{l}ETIC

8 Enclosed crop before the beginning of December (8)
CORNERED – CORN ERE D{ecember}

11 El, perhaps — and where it terminates? (3,2,3,4)
END OF THE LINE – semi-&lit reverse cryptic, end of {th}E + L(ine)

15 Wizard has primate nearly in a fury (9)
ARCHIMAGE – CHIM{p} in A RAGE

16 Cover small taxi off across river (8)
SCABBARD – S(mall) CAB BAD “across” R(iver)

17 Port drinker gets up after ten drunk (8)
ENTREPÔT – TOPER reversed after (TEN*)

19 Voice disapproval about wealthy man, a relative of ours (6)
BONOBO – BOO about NOB

20 Mineral unknown, right in mine — end of mine (6)
PYRITE – Y R in PIT + {min}E

22 Middle of plant yielded sisal, say (5)
AGAVE – {pl}A{nt} + GAVE [yielded]

52 comments on “Times 27,971: Primate, Marmite”

  1. I just had a small fantasy
    In which today’s grid spoke to me
    It said “My chief APPEAL
    Is my vocab’s unreal
    I’M PERFECT and not AGONY”
  2. Be echoed swiftly through that Ivory shell
    Thine ear, and find thy gentle heart

    After 30 mins I was left with Concert-something and the Wizard.
    Mostly I liked Take Fora Ride.
    Thanks setter and V.

  3. For the third time this week I waited for my time to appear on the SNITCH and found I had bumped up the average. Have I been off the wavelength or am I getting slower? I’ll take getting slower if it comes with greater accuracy.
    I finished with ARCHIMAGE, CONCERTSTUCK and crossed fingers. For the former the clue very much suggested an anagram of HAS + PRIMAT until the E appeared at the end. Having eventually parsed the correct answer I wasn’t convinced until I remembered “mage” for wizard which gave me some degree of confidence. CONCERTSTUCK looked very unlikely and is not in my Chambers app. I relied on my GCSE German, remembering “stuck” means piece to get me home.
  4. DNF. Like Myrtilus, I had no idea about CONCERTSTUCK or ARCHIMAGE and I gave up at about 40 minutes when the sound of head banging into wall became too loud. I was quite enjoying being TAKEn FOR A RIDE until then, but now I feel I was. Thank you V for the elucidation and setter for the frustration, which I guess is good for the soul.
  5. I had a very rare similarity of experience as verlaine in that considering the amount of unknown words and/or meanings this seemed strangely easy. Sadly the similarity ends there as I needed 35 minutes to get as far as I did – rather surprising myself – and with two words outstanding I gave up and resorted to aids because it was clear the missing answers would be unknown to me and I was getting nowhere with the wordplay. These were BONOBO and MALBEC. On the latter, I rarely if ever drink wine, but I’m into Belgian beers and having seen that Lambic fitted I was unable to distract myself from that thought.

    A BARCAROLE is specifically a Venetian gondola song or piece of music in that style. Chopin and Offenbach wrote famous ones and Mendelssohn wrote three for his ‘Songs Without Words’ collection for solo piano. I’ve never heard it described as a dance although I dare say its gentle lilting rhythm would lend itself nicely to choreography.

    Edited at 2021-05-07 06:32 am (UTC)

  6. I do believe our close relative has not been properly introduced – pan paniscus – the pygmy chimpanzee! Ecce homo!?

    FOI 12ac CREDO

    LOI 23ac IVORY and my COD

    WOD 25ac RIGATONE – straight Macaroni!

    Time N/A

    Edited at 2021-05-07 07:47 am (UTC)

  7. Time Lord – Verlaine will now doubtless be trying for a sub-two minutes! The next Dr. Who?

    Edited at 2021-05-07 07:54 am (UTC)

  8. FOI: 17D ENTREPOT I took an age to break in and worked on each corner for a while before slowly cracking three of the four 12 letter clues. I have to admit that I misread the 11D clue as starting with EI rather than El and therefore took the upper case ‘I’ simply to be a line. Finished at 47m with POTTER rather than COTTER (which I should have solved with more patience) and despite seeing that CONCERTSTUCK parsed, I had never heard of it. I should have stuck with the wordplay.

    Thank you, verlaine and the setter.

  9. 18:00 but 1 wrong – defeated by BONOBO throwing in BOJOBO, but not convinced Job was rich. I Liked TAKE FOR A RIDE and END OF THE LINE best.
    1. I believe BOJOBO is the shaggy blonde coated cousin of the BONOBO.
      1. I assume that’s a reference to his physical appearance rather than a character trait…
        1. Slow going; very slow at the end, when a bunch in the NE (MALBEC, COTTER, BATHETIC, CORNERED) almost simultaneously came to me. I never played Dungeons and Dragons,but I have read The Faerie Queene, where Archimago is the villain who causes trouble for the Redcross Knight. Like V and Jack, I had never heard of a BARCAROLE dance.
          On edit: Oops, this wasn’t intended as a reply to Keriothe, or indeed to anyone. I might add, though, that bonobos do a lot of sexual behavior –mutual genital rubbing by females, mock mounting by males, etc.–intended to ease tension, evidently. Compared to chimpanzees, who can be quite nasty, even murderous, bonobos are peaceniks. As horryd notes, they were also called pygmy chimpanzees, although they’re actually larger.

          Edited at 2021-05-07 07:57 am (UTC)

          1. We must have read the same science section of the NY Times Kevin because that must be where I learned of their uninhibited social behaviour.
            1. Not me, Olivia, although I’m not sure where I came across this stuff. Pinker, maybe? He’d be sure to include any smut he could in his books. My main interest in bonobos was Sue Savage-Rumbaugh’s work with Kanzi, trying to demonstrate linguistic ability in non-humans.
  10. (The) ANTIPOPE reminded me of the excellent book by Robert Rankin (together with East of Ealing, the Brentford Triangle etc … and there are now 20 in the Trilogy … don’t ask).
    1. I loved those! Particularly having grown up in Ealing and also having known Robert many years ago through a performance/poetry evening he used to curate at the Waterman’s Arts Centre.
  11. Another defeated by NHOs concertstuck and archimage. Not a German speaker but know stuck from signs in shops there, and on the right track: I had A___IRAGE pencilled in – didn’t think of putting the R after the A. Also wondered if it might be a proper noun, name of an ancient Greek fury.
    Otherwise it was indeed a simple-ish solve for some interesting vocabulary. E.g. first one in was NHO (i.e. forgotten since last time) cotter, completely trusting the wordplay.

    Edited at 2021-05-07 08:21 am (UTC)

    1. One of my blind spots has been not thinking to split words like with RAGE. I think I’m gradually improving in that respect.
  12. 12:23. As v says, not as hard as you’d expect given the trickiness of some of the vocabulary.
    I’m glad I knew BONOBO: ‘nob’ to me is a reference to social standing rather than wealth, so I’m not sure I’d have got there from ‘wealthy man’. Certainly not with confidence.
    I constructed CONCERTSTUCK from wordplay and had a WTD?! moment before I realised it was a German word.
  13. Very similar to others. Had to resort to aids after the hour passed, to get the unknown CONCERTSTUCK, BATHETIC, ARCHIMAGE AND BARCAROLE. I guessed, correctly for once, BONOBO. Such an odd word. Very trying. Thank you V for the explanations as ever.
  14. I completed this in 21 minutes, thinking all through “there will be murmurs”. Interestingly, the several weird words enclosed, all referenced already, seemed not to faze most folks. Perhaps more of us should have a crack at the CMS.

    I was reading up on ANTIPOPEs (which I initially spelt with an E) a while back when we queried whether all Popes (and especially Leos) were beatified as a posthumous perk of the job. Quite a few of the middle number Leos were antipopes though some changed their status to pope depending on which infallible successor to the fisherman was in charge.

    Jack is spot on about BARCAROLE. It’s not a dance. Try and imagine a gondolier “dancing” a barcarole and you’ll see why.

    As far as I’m concerned, a COTTER is a pin.

    And I wasn’t overly convinced by CORNERED as enclosed. It sort of works but it doesn’t feel quite right.

    Chambers tells me ENTREPOT as “port ” is OK: I thought it was just a warehouse.

    An odd puzzle which has raised fewer grumps than I thought it would.

    1. Clever Subject!
      COTTER is a Scottish variant according to wiktionary. I agree cotter=pin, cottar is normal. Northern=Scottish I suppose will do. Agree with your reserve about the others except Entrepot; Geography O-level came to my aid there as Bally Dan described Freemantle as an entrepot for Perth. Not sure the Fremos would like that!
      Andyf
  15. 31 minutes for this, which I thought was pretty brilliant for me, until coming here and learning that The Mighty V did one of these things in less than two and a half minutes.

    On blogging days, for a bit of fun I time how quickly I can type in the answers from the iPad (where I solve) to the laptop (where I blog) and I have NEVER managed it in that time.

    AG.HAST!

    Edited at 2021-05-07 07:49 am (UTC)

  16. A good time for me, where I was happy to quickly work my way through the tricky vocab identified by others above.

    Like V, I loved 1d when the penny dropped.

    I was surprised that CONCERTSTUCK, rather than KONZERTSTÜCK, was a word. I did wonder how we borrowed only half the word from German.

  17. I really struggled with this and felt slightly less than chuffed at the end, though I’d struggle to explain why. Not many smiles raised is about all I can say. I knew ENTREPOT as a warehouse and BARCAROLE as a song, but it’s always nice to learn new meanings.

    I understand that the London Mayoral election is now a straight fight between Count Binface and the man who used to be Inspector Lewis’s sergeant. Almost makes me homesick.

    Thanks to Verlaine and the setter.

  18. Dnf, yet another defeated by CONCERTSTUCK, nho. Also delayed by ARCHIMAGE, since Ursula LeGuin had an Archmage. Knew BONOBO, BARCAROLE only as a song too.

    Thanks verlaine and setter.

  19. …cheated with CONCERTSTUCK — Mephisto territory methinks.

    I too would’ve spelt COTTER as COTTAR but followed the cryptic.

    ARCHIMAGE — no problem, maybe as I had no point of reference at all, so again just followed the cryptic.

  20. Similar experience to others. Last two in were CONCERTSTUCK and ARCHIMAGE. Several answers I only half recalled as words (BONOBO, ARCHIMAGE, COTTER). NHO CONCERTSTUCK or BIANCA in ToftS (I did wonder about East Enders though, in any case what else could the anagram possibly be).

    Thanks setter and V.

  21. A smattering of German helped with CONCERTSTUCK, today’s compulsory unknown, while generous cluing helped release the flotilla of less familiar words from their muddy moorings somewhere in memory. 24 mins
  22. Nearest I got to the wizard was ALORIRAGE(loris=primate) so I looked it up. Would never have worked it out. I still totally failed to come up with CONCERTSTRUCK with all the checkers, so looked at V’s blog and submitted off leaderboard to find I had all the rest correct. Those 2 clues took me from 30 minutes to 45 minutes before I gave up. Thanks V.
  23. I was rather surprised to find this in the music section of the Collins Gem crossword dictionary. I’d heard the term once upon a time but no idea when or where. ENTREPOT used to turn up as a warehouse in the NY Times puzzles but I haven’t seen it lately and DNK it could also be a port. As Z and Rob imply, any gondolier attempting to dance a BARCAROLE would end up in the lagoon. 20.19

    Edited at 2021-05-07 10:13 am (UTC)

  24. I was delayed in the SW by this, as it’s unlikely as a dance — though I suppose one was choreographed for the ballet version of Tales of Hoffmann.
    (Spent a while trying to make something of FARANDOLE)
  25. As Verlaine says, nice vocabulary today. I thought end of the line referred to where the El (elevated rail — Chicago, NY pre 1960) terminated, and the L bit only referred to L(ine). Nice Friday puzzle

  26. A strange solve for me. I kept struggling with what seemed like sitters, but when I finally moved on I would find that the next few clues were very easy. So, some very difficult but mostly straightforward.

    It’s been a dream of mine to perform the Schumann Konzertstück in G major, so I was happy to pull that one out and then finish with ARCHIMAGE.

    1. Thanks Jeremy — I knew someone quite well-known had written a Concertstuck, but couldn’t remember who. I expect plenty of others did so as well.

      No doubt someone will now reply and say that Schumann isn’t all that well-known.

      (btw I reckon the setter made a mistake with BARCAROLE.)

      Edited at 2021-05-07 12:26 pm (UTC)

      1. Barcarolle, also spelled barcarole, (from Italian barcarola, “boatman” or … corrente, court dance for couples, prominent in the late 16th century. Britannica.

      2. Yes you seem to be right. But I should have thought that at least 95% of the usage is as a gondola song.
        1. The dotted line inserted in the posting above is a clue to what’s going on here as it separates extracts from two different entries in Britannica, the first referring to BARCAROLE and the second to the Courante (which is a dance).

          Here’s the full entry for Barcarole and there’s no mention of ‘dance’:
          Barcarolle, also spelled barcarole, (from Italian barcarola, “boatman” or “gondolier”), originally a Venetian gondolier’s song typified by gently rocking rhythms in 6/8 or 12/8 time. In the 18th and 19th centuries the barcarolle inspired a considerable number of vocal and instrumental compositions, ranging from opera arias to character pieces for piano. The term surfaced as early as 1710, when French composer André Campra included a “Fête des barquerolles” in a stage work (Les Fêtes vénitiennes, 1710). Subsequently, operas by Giovanni Paisiello, Carl Maria von Weber, Daniel-François-Esprit Auber, Gioachino Rossini, Giuseppe Verdi, and Johann Strauss, among others, featured barcarolles.

          Without question, the most famous operatic specimen is the barcarolle from Jacques Offenbach’s The Tales of Hoffmann. Frédéric Chopin’s Barcarolle, Opus 60, is possibly the best known of the 19th-century instrumental compositions, although other 19th-century composers from Felix Mendelssohn to Franz Liszt and Gabriel Fauré contributed a host of similar pieces. Barcarolles for various performance media were written by Franz Schubert (voice and piano), Johannes Brahms (women’s chorus), and Sir William Sterndale Bennett (piano and orchestra).

          Edited at 2021-05-07 10:36 pm (UTC)

  27. Amazed to see that verlaine spent a lot of time playing Dungeons and Dragons when younger because I also did a lot of that in my teens, and I don’t know why but I had got the idea that verlaine was a lot younger than me. What fun it was using the Platonic solids as dice to determine various probabilistic outcomes (surviving the assault of a balrog? 1 face out of 20 on the icosahedron!). I would have said ARCHMAGE too but the cryptic left no doubt.

    With barcarole I was not surprised to see it as a dance as if pushed I would have said that’s what it was (I thought it was one of the movements of a suite but I obviously got that wrong, I was probably thinking of sarabande or something like that). Quite clearly it is a song so I can add that to my accumulated grains of sand. Either way I certainly won’t make a song and dance out of it.

  28. ….but gave up 7 minutes later when I couldn’t crack CONCERTSTUCK (NHO, not in Chambers, spell check on here refuses it !) Also NHO ARCHIMAGE.

    1. Collins spell-check has it! But I am more concerned about the four games in the next eight days and sinking the yellow submarine.
  29. Afternoon late solving after golfing; much the same experience as others above, all done and enjoyed except the unknown wizard and the STUCK part of 18a. I dislike or disapprove of the way foreign words with vowels with accents become supposedly English words without paying heed to why the accent is there; ü in German is not the same vowel as u. It’s like spelling café cafe. Or Müller as Muller instead of Mueller. But it happens, I see. I’ll get my coat.
    1. Hit and miss in the Times? Vaguely remember about 10 years ago there were two successive days with German words with umlauts in them: Moenchengladbach, and Roentgen. One had the extra e for the umlaut, one didn’t. Since then I trust neither editor nor setter. (I’m guessing Moenchengladbach was missing the e, else it wouldn’t have fit in a 15 x 15 grid.)
  30. 52.23. I found this very tricky and was stuck for a long time on the concertstuck and archimage crossers. I struggled to convince myself that the first was a word and was fixated on the latter ending in irate, before eventually spotting the chim(p) in the middle.
  31. Forced to give up after 52 mins. Completely perplexed by the interweaving concertstuck and archimage. Thanks setter for explaining but I never would have got there on my own.
  32. Delayed somewhat by trying to solve while out and about. Too many unknowns for me, and CONCERTSTUCK looked too unlikely to be correct. I don’t drink wine and my LOI AGONY didn’t come easy for me either.
  33. Wow. I’m glad that was an easy one. . . Surprised myself by working out several completely unknown words including Concertstuck, Barcarole and Archimage but ran out of steam/ will to live with half a dozen left. Invariant
  34. Satisfied to have got as far as I did, with the remaining gaps words I’ve never heard of: concertstruck, archimage, etc, as others above, and without the skills yet to figure them out from the clues. But a Friday four-fifths done. I’ve awarded myself a silver star.
  35. I’m another who ended up with ARCHIMAGE and CONCERTSTUCK. When I threw in the towel and went to Chambers for help, nothing fitted CONCERTSTUCK’s crossers so I thought something else must be wrong. Eventually, I just gave up and came here to find out what was going on.

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