Times 27,803: Bonkbusted

Some really good clues in this medium-strength puzzle – I liked 1dn, 2dn and 5dn, all of which withheld their shiny pennies from me for a good while, very much, for instance. But none of it really makes up for the atrocious 4dn I’m afraid, where a less obscure word for strike (BONK) can be reversed to make a less obscure word for boss (KNOB), and this is somehow not the answer.
At time of blogging there are 29 submissions with “errors” on the club compared to 3 without, and I don’t honestly know how those 3 managed to stumble upon the right answer; though I guess it may be a regional thing. If this clue was test-solved by multiple people prior to publication without this issue coming up, though, I will eat my very capacious hat.

Thank you to the setter for the good parts of this curate’s 5dn!

ACROSS
1 It’s well known: new lockdown meme no good (6,9)
COMMON KNOWLEDGE – (LOCKDOWN MEME NO G*)

9 Prod men to interrupt offensive opera (9)
RUDDIGORE – DIG O.R. to interrupt RUDE

10 About to stop low-down tree-hugger? (5)
GREEN – RE [about] to “stop” GEN [low-down]

11 Metal shaving twisted internally (6)
SILVER – S{L<->I}VER

12 Embarrassing mistake about dull, back-pedalling, perennial protesters? (4-1-3)
RENT-A-MOB – BONER about MAT, all reversed

13 They send up runners to welcome leading lady (6)
SKIERS – SKIS to “welcome” E.R. “To sky” means “to send up” (in the air)

15 Inspection kit is redundant, but not one containing catch (8)
OTOSCOPE – OT{i}OSE [redundant, minus I] “containing” COP

18 One unique barrier broken down at first (4,4)
RARE BIRD – (BARRIER*) + D{own}

19 Small bird seen by old man over the hill (4,2)
PAST IT – S TIT seen by PA

21 Penny-pincher demanding full roll (8)
TIGHTWAD – TIGHT [demanding] + WAD [full roll]

23 Intermediate puzzle with intro replaced (6)
MIDDLE – {r->M}IDDLE

26 Fake news: pleas FA regularly rejected (5)
FALSE – {n}E{w}S {p}L{e}A{s} F{a}, reversed

27 Projectile, originally lost, is in the sea (9)
BALLISTIC – L{ost} IS, in BALTIC

28 First on display to arrange big noise for military (3,5,7)
AIR CHIEF MARSHAL – CHIEF [first] on AIR [display], plus MARSHAL [arrange]

DOWN
1 Bending process cracks up on the boards? (7)
CORPSES – (PROCESS*) – as in what an actor who can’t stop laughing does

2 Barbie perhaps receiving doll’s first award (5)
MEDAL – MEAL [barbie, as in barbecue] “receives” D{oll}

3 Dull colour of old poet, ill, withdrawn (5,4)
OLIVE DRAB – O(ld) + reversed BARD, EVIL

4 Coming up, strike boss (4)
KNOT – reversed TONK.

5 One’s constituents beaten over race amidst scuffle (8)
OMELETTE – O(ver) + T.T. amidst MELEE. “One’s constituents beaten” as in, “one has beaten ingredients”

6 Not demanding rest (5)
LIGHT – double def

7 Hunk of bread and peeled tomato mashed together (9)
DREAMBOAT – (BREAD {t}OMAT{o}*)

8 Honour covered up by genteel bonnets (7)
ENNOBLE – hidden reversed in {gente}EL BONNE{ts}

14 Disorderly Irish customer, a familiar one (9)
IRREGULAR – IR + REGULAR [a familiar customer]

16 Harsh critic cries “fair!” unexpectedly (9)
SCARIFIER – (CRIES FAIR*)

17 Pressure to witter on about English introduction (8)
PREAMBLE – P + RAMBLE [to witter on] “about” E

18 Coming up: excellent, fine salt absorbing a liqueur (7)
RATAFIA – reversed A1 F TAR, absorbing A

20 Hawk left after row over church (7)
TIERCEL – L after TIER over C.E.

22 Force needing support on “towpath case” (5)
TEETH – TEE on T{owpat}H

24 Wife departs with face of tough guy scratched (5)
DUTCH – D + {b}UTCH

25 Sheer endless choice (4)
PLUM – PLUM{b}.

108 comments on “Times 27,803: Bonkbusted”

  1. could someone please explain how we can know that the word in 8d is backwards? I also tried “elbonne”. Thanks
  2. Crumbling brain or mere ignorance, but can I be enlightened about “light = rest”?
    1. This setter seems to be a Chambers aficionado because ‘to rest’ is one of their definitions of ‘light’. The closest the more usual dictionaries come to this meaning is ‘to settle or land after flight’ (Collins) or ‘fall and settle on land’ (Lexico). I thought it a bit loose too.
  3. I’ve had a poor week at this, but at least today’s is not my fault. A little shy of 12 minutes, and KNOB of course.

    TIERCEL rang a bell from previous crosswords; RARE BIRD was a bit more obscure and RUDDIGORE was completely unknown. COD to CORPSES, my LOI, with a nice definition and well-concealed wordplay.

  4. I considered both knob and knot, but rejected the former on the grounds of taste and decorum (not mine) given the derivation of bonk as back-slang from knob = membrum virile.

    On the other hand, in my experience, a boner might have been embarrassing, but never a mistake.

    1. I’d wager good money that ‘bonk’ is just imitative, nothing to do with ‘knob’. Remember the golden rule: neat-sounding explanations of etymology are invariably false.

      Edited at 2020-10-23 07:58 pm (UTC)

  5. Me too (oh RUDDIGORE). There used to be a Toyota model called a “tercel” which must be the same bird. Took me a while to see what Barbie was doing and then recalled the actor who played Crocodile Dundee doing an ad for the Australian tourist board eons ago in which he invited us to visit and said he’d slip an extra shrimp on the barbie. Quel dommage. 21 on the nose.
  6. Describing either the terminally doddery clue or possibly the setter. To be fair the rest is pretty good so let’s call it a boner and be done. 1 dn. a minor gem. Had a minor part in Ruddigore at school, or Ruddybore as it was known to the musical elite. ‘O, for a falc’ner’s voice To lure this tassel-gentle back again!’ sighs Juliet from the balcony. Somewhat slow here and there, 39 minutes.
  7. 31:49 but with KNOB. Bah humbug! Thanks V.
    On edit: The SNITCH says it all. 67 Reference solvers excluded with errors.

    Edited at 2020-10-23 12:13 pm (UTC)

  8. After a slow start I was pleased with my eventual time. I’m not sure I knew the word TONK but regardless of that as others have said KNOB works perfectly well, and in my opinion is better defined by BOSS than KNOT is. Usually the “correct” answer is better in some way, but not today. Just wrong! Good job it’s just a bit of fun!
  9. 2 pinks for me, KNOB of course but I also very carelessly did my deducting wrong at 15 and invented the OTISCOPE.

    I didn’t know BONER as a mistake but as something embarrassing? Yes.

    1. I see it as closer to ‘land’ than ‘rest’ in that usage but I guess there’s a bit of both.
  10. Police were called to the HQ of News International after violent protests broke out in the wake of a seemingly correct answer to one of the clues being disallowed.

    David Parfitt and Richard Rogan barricaded themselves into an office as an angry mob surged outside shouting “there’s two knobs in there – come out and avoid tying yourselves in knots”.

    Frankly, it’s not the standard we expect from this august journal.

    (COD CORPSES, TIME 9:42. I wuz robbed !)

    1. On the plus side, it’s nice to see a new face as the UK Crossword Champion! Even if it is Foinavon.
  11. I must admit that I’m coming round to the possibility that the juxtaposition of KNO(T/B) and BONER may be some kind of truly brilliant Nina…
  12. I liked Rent-a-Mob for the slang, Ruddigore for the GK, and Omelette for the cluing. Thank you, Verlaine, and bonk-you, ed
  13. I’m a bonker too but very used to northerners giving it a tonk when playing cricket as a lad
  14. and the first thing that struck me was 81 replies – something was up! And it was the usual suspect 4dn KNOB!

    One cannot blame the setter, who was obviously having a bit of fun, but the lack of editorial oversight is redolent of The Times presently. Little editorial discipline. Unless the editor was also the setter. Or POTUS perhaps?
    However, for us on paper it was fine! Thus no pink square hereabouts.

    FOI 2dn MEDAL or was it MYDOL? Thank- you Barbie.

    LOI 12ac RENT-A-MOB or was it RENT-A-KNOB?

    COD 11ac SILVER or was it SRIVEL

    WOD 4dn KNOB or was it KNOT?

    Time for a BONK!

    Edited at 2020-10-23 05:32 pm (UTC)

    1. I demand that you acquire a pink highlighter and colour in the appropriate square of your paper crossword forthwith!
      1. MyLud, ‘Forthwith’ demands swift action but I only have yellow, orange and green. The yellow and orange will have to do!

        If that does not satisfy then I might suggest a duel, with top of the range ‘Luxor Textliters’. You will be pink and I will be orange and yellow.

        Methink Ham Green would be a most suitable location, but I cannot guarantee a date or time as I am unable to get back to Blighty presently.

        Meldrew

  15. Surely a skier is someone who skis and a skyer is someone who skies a shot in cricket…
  16. Since I did it on paper, I had no hint that the club site had the wrong answer to 4dn. I’m standing pat with KNOB, and declaring their answer wrong. Yet another win for traditional technology!
  17. 26:43. I solved at lunchtime and found that even after all the time that had elapsed since the puzzle went live I was still 15th on the leaderboard. Felt dizzy and needed the smelling salts. Then read the comments and found that I hadn’t become a crossword genius overnight, I just jumped the “right” way on knot. Once I’d thought of cricketers tonking for six, I was convinced that it was right and didn’t look for any alternatives. So, a perfectly fair clue about which there can be no complaints then. The one in the concise with two equally valid answers on the other hand is an outrage (no prizes for guessing which one I went for). The rent-a-mob clue reminds me of the firm of solicitors who wrote to tell us that they would be representing an applicant on a pro boner basis, which was good to know.
    1. Might be the same firm of solicitors who were told that their office rental was being increased by £x per anum, and replied that they would prefer to continue paying through the nose, as at present ..
  18. That’s the problem with not holding the setter to account on a regular basis. If you keep letting them off their eccentricities with just a polite MER, they get complacent and sooner or later produce howlers like 4D which clearly shows that the crossword isn’t always ‘road-tested’. Not only that, they can’t be consulting the very dictionary that they ask us to consult, as knob is the first definition of boss.

    Is it really too much to ask that clues are tested for an absolute lack of ambiguity? Some of us pay upwards of thirty quid a month for this nonsense. I’ve given up fighting the battle to be honest. Mr Grumpy

  19. Rather late in the day, and a day late, but V, you’ve got the wrong anagrist at 1d.
  20. Can you please help a less experienced cruciverbalist. I had KNOB for 4dn. As both words fit the crossers how would one know which the setter intended? And in what sense would one use KNOT to mean boss? Many thanks.
  21. Wow, 100 comments! I just got to this one (busy workweek!), and I’ll read them after saying I thought I was on the ball to come up with KNOB, I don’t think KNOT fits the definition and am not sure I’ve ever seen “tonk.” Boo, hiss!

    CORPSES cracked me up. You can’t (I hope) say that often.

    Edited at 2020-10-24 05:39 pm (UTC)

  22. Did this on Saturday after Saturday’s which was easier. Of course KNOB is a better answer. Or at least equally good. Didn’t know why CORPSES was right either. Not much fun.
  23. I was another BONKer and really surprised to see a pink square when I submitted. Held up at OMELETTE (my LOI) for some reason. I could only see “operetta” which had nothing to do with the clue.
  24. Finally, a response from David Parfitt, on the Times forum: “Belated apologies for the ambiguity at 4 Down. Our system doesn’t allow us to accept more than one valid answer, so the KNOT will have to stand, I’m afraid. Sorry to all those who understandably opted for the “wrong” answer.”
      1. You’re right! Now it says:

        “Having discussed this further with the Crossword Editor, we’ve decided to rescore this one, so that KNOB is treated at the correct answer. It appears that even the Crossword Ed wrote in KNOB when solving the puzzle, but KNOT was erroneously retained in the solution grid. I think KNOT can probably be just about justified, but it seems to rely on a rather obscure botanical definition of BOSS that really is straying into Listener/Mephisto territory.
        Apologies again for the bewilderment and frustration this caused.”

        Make it up, you couldn’t ..

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