Times 27,587: Wide Sagacious Setter

Now this is what I want to see on a Friday – a tough, clever puzzle which keeps many of its secrets past the 10 minute mark and indeed into the parsing. 12ac, 20ac, 22ac, 29ac, 2dn, 8dn, all clues that I saw even more brilliance in after submitting, after I took it upon myself to discover *exactly* how they worked. (And that’s not to even mention 16dn, 24ac, 26ac which I wouldn’t have felt comfortable submitting without full comprehension of how to get there. Just as well really or I could easily have committed to EXER with a shrug!)

All of the surfaces are perfect and to be honest this a virtuoso piece of setting across the board, with several clues that go above and beyond the normal levels of originality in their devices – this is Monthly Club Special level stuff. Bravo, nameless perpetrator, bravo. Plus as a lifelong Doctor Who fan, even despite recent provocations, 28ac as well as the TARDIS noise at 18dn tickled me pink. Best puzzle of the year for me so far I think and I’ll make almost all the clues by joint COD, apart from maybe 17ac which is a bit of an oldie and therefore somewhat self-descriptive.

Over to you lot then, what did you think?

ACROSS
1 Sets out with currency that’s been converted? (8)
EXPOUNDS – or, EX-POUNDS, as (British) currency that has been converted into something else, may be.

5 Pimp linking minister to a parliamentarian (6)
REVAMP – REV [minister] linked to A MP

10 Twice a year kid meets old cameraman (9)
PAPARAZZO – P.A. [a year, x2] + RAZZ [kid] meets O. FOI.

11 Back in Normandy: a Hungarian composer (5)
HAYDN – hidden reversed in {norma}NDY A H{ungarian}

12 First light sees one charmed by swan (4)
LEDA – L.E.D. A could be “first light”, in the same way that L.E.D. B would be “second light”, yes? One charmed by a swan that was actually Zeus, in Greek myth, that is.

13 Possible place for setter’s cryptic legend on back of book (3-6)
DOG-KENNEL – (LEGEND ON {boo}K*)

15 Mormon wandering in valley briefly finds place of rest (6,4)
COMMON ROOM – (MORMON*) in COOM{b}

17 Dodgy moment, not the first (4)
IFFY – {j}IFFY

19 Colour dry clothing with it (4)
TINT – TT [dry] “clothing” IN [with it]

20 Sudden change for American humorist into small red jumper (10)
SWITCHEROO – WIT [humorist] into S CHE ROO [small | red | jumper]

22 Was glitchy volume increased on a good day? (9)
HICCUPPED – CC [= cubic centimetre = volume] UPPED, on HI! [a good day (to you)]

24 Always apparently packing an extra five in a single square container (4)
EWER – EVER is always. Its second square contains a V or five – if you squished another V into that square it might look like more like EWER than EVER!

26 Logo for channel that is reversing its polarity? (5)
IDENT – ID EST, its S{outh} flipping to N{orth}.

27 Rude Finns could make enemies (9)
UNFRIENDS – (RUDE FINNS*). Though everyone knows that the actual, real-world usage of this word is as in “snubs on Facebook”.

28 Feisty female to play Doctor Who, at last, enters (6)
TOMBOY – TOY [to play], entered by MB {who}O. The Jodie Whittaker era is… not yet good, but it’s better than last year, so that’s something!

29 True stories about river fronts producing algae (8)
SARGASSO – SO [true], “fronted” by SAGAS “about” R

DOWN
1 Finally, time is up, by clock (4)
ESPY – {tim}E {i}S {u}P {b}Y

2 Sweet Dot given fresh flower (10,5)
PEPPERMINT CREAM – PEPPER [dot], given MINT [fresh] + CREAM [flower (as in, the best of)]

3 Madness, having uranium near each child (8)
UNREASON – U NR EA SON [uranium | near | each | child]

4 Dropped off note and final letter (5)
DOZED – DO [note] and ZED

6 Did second check in English dictionary (6)
ECHOED – CH in E O.E.D.

7 Summons requesting company to go to court? (6,3,6)
ANYONE FOR TENNIS – cryptic def, simply a tennis court rather than a legal one.

8 Fine strike that’s spotted in football field (7,3)
PENALTY BOX – PENALTY [fine] + BOX [strike]. I assume the penalty box is spotted because it has a penalty spot? But my grasp of the beautiful game is notoriously shaky.

9 See books covering county’s missing years? (4-4)
LONG-LOST – LO N.T. “covering” GLOS. LOI

14 Repeatedly cold, this most unconventionally fine shower! (6,4)
SCOTCH MIST – (C C THIS MOST*) [“unconventionally”]

16 Fixing undiluted drink, suddenly left, upset (8)
RAWLPLUG – RAW [undiluted] + reversed GULP L [drink suddenly | left]. This unusual and deceptively defined word took me AGES to crack.

18 Moan endlessly about tablets for hearing and breathing problem? (8)
WHEEZING – WHING{e} “about” a homophone of E’S [tablets (which’re good, according to The Shamen)]

21 Neat, I agree (4,2)
JUST SO – double def

23 Government department do: couple in the end have left (5)
DEFRA – DEFRA{ud} [do], minus its last two letters. What did my American compatriots made of this rather parochial reference to the British Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs?

25 Capital letters, initially and finally, turning up in ciphers (4)
OSLO – L{etter}S, reversed inside O O [(two) ciphers]

88 comments on “Times 27,587: Wide Sagacious Setter”

  1. I didn’t make anything out of DEFRA, or, rather, D_F_A, and I don’t know how anyone could expect me to!
    But I’d already given up and used an aid to find RAWLPLUG. RAWLPLUG?! Rawly?!

    Never heard of PEPPERMINT CREAM, tried …PATTY, …CANDY…, even …CANES.

    IDENT? I dent git it.

    “Enemies” is a funky definition for UNFRIENDS; “makes enemies” would make more sense, with the answer as a verb, but then “makes” would be doing double duty.

    Liked the rest of it well enough.

    Edited at 2020-02-14 04:51 am (UTC)

      1. Perhaps a good word to describe the people who turn up to compete with you at a Times Crossword Championship?
      1. I worked in student days at Fry’s in Keynsham near Bristol, and actually packed Fry’s Peppermint Creams on the night shift.
  2. I had a bad feeling about this one once I realized that oh, God, they’re using that meaning of ‘pimp’. I hope that when WOKE shows up, I’ll have found out what it means. Over the course of what seemed like hours, I managed to get, and understand, all but DEFRA (fat bloody chance), IDENT (see previous parenthesis), and thanks to IDENT, JUST SO. Unfortunately I didn’t just not get IDENT, I tried IMAGE, and only gave up on that when I realized ‘flower’ wasn’t a flower or a river. RAWLPLUG by looking up RAW…
  3. Could someone explain the definition pimp = REVAMP please?

    I was very pleased to get through this in exactly an hour with almost everything understood (see above) but lack of detailed knowledge of soccer let me down as I never brought PENALTY BOX to mind. I knew the term ‘penalty spot’ but a) it wouldn’t fit, and b) ‘spotted’ was in the clue, so I settled for the nearest equivalent and went for PENALTY DOT, since ‘dot’ is absolutely fine for ‘strike’ in the sense of ‘hit’. I was focused on the actual placing of the ball rather than the wider area in front of a goal, but unfortunately my solution doesn’t seem to exist.

    DK RAZZ but my guess that it could mean ‘kid’ in the sense of ‘tease’ turned out to be correct. DK SARGASSO as algae but knew of the Sargasso Sea so bunged it in and hoped for the best.

    The most satisfying moments were understanding how EWER worked and remembering LEDA and her swan. I’m sure she has come up here very recently but searching revealed nothing later than December 2018.

    The newly formed DEFRA was part of my remit for a while when I worked for the Civil Service, so no problems with that one.

    Edited at 2020-02-14 06:15 am (UTC)

    1. I only knew this because of a TV show–which I never saw, I swear it–called ‘Pimp My Ride’ (qv, Wikipedia) where evidently a beat-up old car was, well, revamped.

      Edited at 2020-02-14 06:19 am (UTC)

      1. Thanks, Kevin. Now you’ve given me a hint where to look I managed to find this in SOED at the very end of the entry:

        pimp – make (a thing, esp. a car) more showy or impressive. Freq. foll. by up, out. slang. E21.

        Edited at 2020-02-14 06:28 am (UTC)

      2. The quibble would be that pimping a car or etc (BD, in Doonesbury, had his prosthetic leg pimped after he was injured in Iraq) implies a complete change of character, not really a revamp.
    2. In Australia they have a DFAT (Foreign Affairs & Trade). I wondered if the UK had gone down a similar route and coined DEFAT.
  4. I didn’t know myself; somehow inferred it from the title and only confirmed it before replying to Jack.
  5. …I fell into the bear trap in 24ac and put EVER.
    Still, I am quite chuffed. Yesterday I successfully completed the cryptic in under 3 Verlaines. Today, with one error, it was just about 3 Verlaines. My norm is a minimum of 5 Vs.

    There’s been some discussion recently about product placement in the cryptic and today we have RAWLPLUG which is a trademark.

    Many explanations to thank Verlaine for; among them were TOMBOY, PEPPERMINT CREAM, SWITCHEROO and DEFRA. With SWITCHEROO, I saw ‘American humourist’ and tried to fit Thurber in there somewhere!

    No real COD as there were so many good ones, as Verlaine has said but I’ll go for EWER because it fooled me.

      1. Is “pimp” too salacious for the Times Crossword? Discuss!

        You could “trick out” your ride instead but I’m not sure tricks are that much classier than pimps.

  6. Not knowing the myth, I threw in VEGA where I should have had LEDA. Possibly I should have persevered as I had correctly understood the parsing but couldn’t think of an appropriate word for light.

    I was actually pleased to complete as much as I did correctly with RAWLPLUG and LONG LOST in particular holding me up. Thanks to the setter for a great puzzle and Verlaine for helping to make sense of it.

    1. Fortunately ‘Leda & the Swan’ is a well known image in art so I knew it from that rather than the myth.
      1. I had actually heard of Leda and the Swan before Orphan Black named the secret cloning operation that was the driver of the show Project Leda and started using swan imagery, but I will confess to having slightly Ninja’d that particular Turtle.
        1. I’ve downloaded a concise guide to Greek mythology in an attempt to plug one of my knowledge gaps. Not a good start to see Leda is not in there 🙁
          1. Not even mentioned as the mother of Helen of Troy? (Was Helen born from an egg?)

            I do get Leda confused with Leto I have to say.

            1. Who’s Leto? He’s not in there either! I’m beginning to think this book is a bit too concise. Helen does at least appear, though her parentage is unmentioned.
  7. Gosh. Seems I was on the wavelength today, across the line in 31 minutes—not often I squeak in under 3 Verlaines!

    Enjoyed this all the way through, from FOI 5a REVAMP (personally I was a fan of Pimp My Ride take-off website “Pimp That Snack”, which produced such things as Twiglets the size of a French stick) to LOI 26 IDENT, which took me longer as I was thinking the polarity switch was probably L to R or vice versa; the reality was actually more sensible.

    COD 24a EWER, with 4d DOZED in second place. WOD IFFY. Glad I know that I don’t know how to spell PAPARAZZO so followed the WP. Lots to enjoy along the way. Thanks to V. for explaining a couple of bits of parsing I couldn’t see at the time, like the SO of SARGASSO…

    Edited at 2020-02-14 08:26 am (UTC)

  8. 29:58, but with EVER without the second V. No wonder I couldn’t parse it! The CREAM for the second word at 2D took a while to come. My initial CANDY was clearly wrong and fixed when I got IDENT, hence LOI TOMBOY. I failed to parse LEDA and SARGASSO. COD to DOG KENNEL. Thanks V and setter. Woof woof.

    Edited at 2020-02-14 08:35 am (UTC)

  9. …a pun for older Wanderers, City and Derby fans. Well, Phil might get it. 32 minutes, gobsmacked that it was all correct. Ever, which I knew couldn’t be right, was only changed to EWER at the last moment. The meaning of RAZZ in PAPARAZZO was assumed. I gather it’s North American. I biffed WHEEZING without taking any pills. I’ve never used SWITCHEROO in my life but I might have heard it somewhere I suppose. At least this time we were told it was American. I put in PEPPERMINT CREAM, as I am partial to them in the plural, without twigging CREAM as the flower in that sense. I thought of it being poured out of a jug! COD to PENALTY BOX which I saw quickly. i liked IDENT too. Tough but fair. Thanks to V and setter.
  10. Flew through, but fell at the last with the invented EXER (extra five, geddit?).

    I remember peppermint cream: absurdly sweet, yucky and expensive.

    Would have been twenty minutes 🙁

    Thanks Verlaine and setter.

  11. I also found this a treat, so many things to be unravelled! When you’ve been solving cryptics as long as some of us have (and I know that my ~40 years makes me a newcomer compared to some), it’s rare you come across something you’re pretty sure you’ve never seen before, so working out EWER was especially pleasing. Likewise, “first light” for LEDA is an instant classic in my book.

    I seem to recall people (out there, not here, I should stress) getting huffy about “unfriend” being a word when Facebook made it popular, and being politely schooled by the Susie Dents of this world, so that was a usage which came back to me readily enough. And I’ve never seen an episode of ‘Pimp My Ride’, but knew the phrase, so it’s clearly achieved some sort of cultural resonance. Also, I don’t necessarily want all my puzzles to be self-consciously modern and down with the kids, but it’s refreshing to be at the opposite end of the spectrum to a world where TREE=actor…

  12. I retired defeated from this one somewhere in the 18th minute, without LEDA (I had a stab at VERA), SARGASSO, EWER or DEFRA.

    In the case of DEFRA I was fairly confident it must be the answer, but I couldn’t think of a DEFRA?? meaning ‘do’. For SARGASSO I had no idea it was algae – I’ve only come across the Wide Sargasso Sea, and ‘come across’ is generous there – and convinced myself that ‘true stories’ = BIOGS, with ‘bio’ a promising start for a word defining algae.

    I was also an EXER, which now I understand it is a great clue.

    Oh dear!

    1. There probably is a difference between algae and seaweed, but I have to say I’m not 100% certain what it is.
  13. Yikes. Just as well I wasn’t going anywhere this morning. I only saw EWER at the nth moment when on the point of hitting submit. Thanks for the explanation of REVAMP supra – I didn’t know that meaning but the answer couldn’t be anything else. I only know DEFRA because my husband sometimes buys Country Life for me and the editorial page has definitely UNFRIENDed it. The Great Switcheroo is one of Roald Dahl’s stories that’s definitely not for children. I wondered if this was going to be a pangram but it was short J and Q. 28.29
    P.S. In your intro Verlaine you mean 17A not D.
    1. PPS (if I can do that to someone else’s PS) in your intro Verlaine you also mean 24 & 26 A not D. In the explanations OSLO should be 25D.
      1. Thanks for not mocking my across/down direction blindness too hard! Blog has now been pimped.
    2. Switcheroo very much a Wodehouseian word too. Maybe that’s where Dahl picked it up from?
  14. 22:52. I thought this was quite magnificent. Topicaltim has rather summed up my thoughts, particularly on the welcome modern usages. EWER and LEDA are brilliant, but so is much of the rest.
    I spent several minutes at the end trying to justify SARGASSO: I didn’t know it was a type of seaweed and the wordplay is fiendish. Very satisfying to finally figure it out and enter the answer with complete confidence. There was a lot of that in this puzzle.
    Bravo and thanks to the setter!

    Edited at 2020-02-14 01:01 pm (UTC)

  15. I believe that the setter aimed this one right at our American Cousins! Except for PIMP as a car verb I think it equates to the English – primp.Fortunately I have seen the show on History Channel which has a nice IDENT

    PENALTY BOX, RAWLPLUG, DEFRA, ANYONE FOR TENNIS (Jolly hockey sticks etc) and Fry’s PEPERMINT CREAMs (A National indulgence – now from Cadbury?) or even Bendick’s if you have the dosh! They have or had the Royal Warrant for Peppermint Creams!

    I was home in about 50 mins RAWLPLUG and all. A long time since I got to grips with one of them!

    FOI 11ac HAYDN

    LOI 1dn ESPY

    COD 10ac PARARAZZO but not difficult

    WOD 16dn RAWLPLUG

    Is Basil Brush dead!?

    Edited at 2020-02-14 01:21 pm (UTC)

    1. They’re just called wall plugs here Horryd. I knew the UK term because I very well remember one of the very few times my father (THE unhandiest person) was doing some DIY about the house that called for them and he enlisted me as his mate.
    2. Apologies for inserting a reference to the Fry’s non-Turkish delight further up-thread. I hadn’t yet got to your comment.
      1. Apology not accepted – your interjection was so heartfelt!!

        Do you remember Fry’s ‘Five Boys’ (Wow!), Orange Creams and the Green (Spearmint?) Peppermint Cream as well – I can’t remember what the latter were called. Loved ’em all and Bertie Bassett’s Allsorts. Crunchies….

        1. Nostalgic about Rawlplugs? Should brand names be allowed in the 15×15? The Rawlings Brothers would turn in their graves.

          Rawlings Brothers, a small plumbing and electrical engineering company, was founded in 1887 in London. In 1910, the company was awarded a contract by the British Museum, which required them to unobtrusively fix electrical fittings to the museum walls. The contract led to the invention and patenting of the world’s first wall plug, which became a standard solution for attaching things to walls.

          Edited at 2020-02-14 04:38 pm (UTC)

          1. I have no idea what a rawlplug actually is and I may well remain ignorant forever knowing me.
  16. Loved solving this so was quite happy that it filled a tad over 26 minutes.

    I didn’t know LEDA (guessed it was someone in Swan Lake) or RAZZ.

    In 2d does mint = fresh in the sense of mint condition (rather than toothpaste-speak)?

  17. Taxing, devilish, really enjoyable, but DNF. Struggled mightily to get all filled and parsed except 23 and 29. Hindered at 23 by the Aussie DFAT = Trade and Foreign Affairs being pronounced DEFAT. Maybe just ran out of energy with sargasso and NHO defra, unable to reach them. Otherwise only rawlplug unknown, Leda actually remembered since last time – recent?
    Kudos to the setter.
  18. I’m glad I looked at this and I’m glad I stopped and came here when I did. Such a lot to learn and enjoy.
    Quite a few clues came quickly,including REVAMP as we used to watch Pimp My Ride when the children were at home. I really struggled with 8d and rejected Penalty Box as it is marked by lines; only the penalty spot is a spot. I had Penalty Hit (possibly a hockey term) and then wondered where the football fitted (unless Spotted = Seen).
    And of course I had EVER.
    David
  19. ‘Rawl plug’ eluded me, even when it was the LOI and I had every other letter. D’oh.

    Tricky puzzle, but fun.

  20. Another game of 2 curates eggs, completing most of it in 15 mins, then as usual seizing up. Main problem was IDENT where I hadn’t put the channel into the literal, and JUST SO which just wouldn’t come. On pressing go, I discovered that my biffed EVER was a EWER. Ah well!
  21. I thought the double 5 at 24A was in Roman numerals, and biffed EXER.

    Thanks to V for also unravelling SIX other clues that left me on Planet Zog. Not my cup of tea.

  22. Not so much a DNF as a HGG – Hardly Got Going. Back to the QC for me I think. Is the Friday puzzle known to be a tougher one?

    8D – Penalty Box. But it is surely called the Penalty Area by most soccer players? The smaller rectangle right in front of the goal is I think sometimes called the Six Yard Box, and is what the coach is referring to when he screams from the touchline “Get it in the box!”. But I have not heard the larger 18 yard rectangle called a box.

    Cedric

    1. Cedric – when I was a lad the penalty area in football (soccer) was known as the PENALTY BOX. ‘Get it in the box’ refers to the penalty area itself. And still does.

      Some official guidelines. ‘Within each penalty box is a smaller rectangular box that extends 6 yards out from the goal line.’

      I played for Stockport Co. My uncle for York City FC.

      Are you outside your area!?

      Edited at 2020-02-14 04:53 pm (UTC)

      1. Thank you, and you clearly know more about the game than me! Or it may be a north-south thing; when I did play soccer (last time more than 40 years ago and more than 200 miles south of York) I thought it was an area …
        1. Your assuming I am from up’tnorth!

          Only 3 years in Cheshire/Manchester. I’m a Yellow Belly who worked in London from 1970-1996.

          Also you will hear the expression ‘a box to box player’ –

          Notable examples of ‘box-to-box MIDFIELDERS’ are Roy Keene Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, Antonio Conte, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Yaya Touré, Arturo Vidal, Patrick Vieira, Radja Nainggolan, Daniele De Rossi, and Aaron Ramsey.

        2. It’s referred to as the penalty area in the official laws of the game, and in the usual dictionaries penalty box is listed as an alternative.
    2. The editor is always insistent that there is no conscious decision to make Mondays especially easy and Fridays tough, but if you look at the SNITCH (link top right of page above) you can see there’s an undeniable tendency for the difficulty level to drift upwards as the week goes on.
      1. My never-ending campaign to whinge at them unless they give me nice chewy ones to do on Friday may be bearing fruit by now, who knows?
      2. I’ve said this before but my suspicion is that the tendency for solving times to increase over the week may be due to something other than the inherent difficulty of the puzzles. General fatigue, or waning enthusiasm or something. I doubt that it would even be possible to generate the effect deliberately.
        Having said that this was undoubtedly a beast and the editor scheduled it on a Friday so 🤷.

        Edited at 2020-02-14 06:50 pm (UTC)

    3. My advice is not to be brow-beaten by yellow-bellied trolls: “The penalty area or 18-yard box (also known less formally as the penalty box or simply box) is an area of an association football pitch.” Stephen (Social C)
  23. Are you suggesting the editor isn’t always on the case?

    He does keep forgetting to tell us when Championship Qualifiers are being featured – and today he allowed RAWLPLUG to plug their wares! Whatever next!?

  24. I knew DEFRA and Leda, nho Rawlplug, and was in questionable territory on Ident. I found a couple of the definitions to be tough – either slightly loose or very abstruse – but also found the cluing to be clear except maybe for Sargasso). As with others, I pretty much liked them all, especially Anyone for Tennis.

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