Times 27,467: Champy Days Are Here Again

Can it really be? December 7th? Jeepers, I hope that flying over from San Francisco for a long weekend then will be within my price range. In any case, this felt like a championship-strength puzzle designed to put the appropriate fear back into is; I did not succeed in submitting inside the 10 minute mark, but I reckon I could probably get three of these done in an hour, and that’s the main thing, isn’t it?

Some very neat clues in here, marrying a slightly increased cryptic deviosity level from the usual with highly effective surface reading. Well done to the setter and I very much hope I will be matching wits with you and your ilk again a couple of months hence! In the meantime, I’ll also be in London the weekend after next, if anyone wants to do a preparatory recce of The George…

ACROSS
1 Doctor’s case? There’s one spare (3,2,5)
BAG OF BONES – the case of a doctor could be the BAG OF a BONES; or, more conventionally, a BAG OF BONES is a very thin person, or “one spare”.

6 Some pickle, maybe, only just opened? (4)
AJAR – A JAR could be some pickle; AJAR is, I was reliably informed as a youth, when a door is not a door.

9 Cross of bronze with ring, on backwards (7)
TANGELO – TAN [bronze] + reversed O LEG [ring | on]. A tangelo is a cross between a tangerine and a pomelo, or something like that anyway.

10 Procedure by arresting officer employing violence (7)
CUFFING – by the standards of this puzzle at least, a straightforward double definition.

12 One might be left in this list (5)
LURCH – one might be left in the LURCH, and it’s also a synonym for list.

13 Interrupting work, managed to catch one’s butterfly (6-3)
ORANGE-TIP – “interrupting” OP [work], RAN [managed] to GET I [catch | one]. My first one in, basically just from the enum and def, with much gratitude.

14 Rat to watch on grain container, one flitting about (11,4)
GRASSHOPPER MIND – GRASS [rat] + MIND [to watch] on HOPPER [grain container]

17 This hung over diner at feast — from cold sodas we laced (5,2,8)
SWORD OF DAMOCLES – totally biffed SOI. (FROM COLD SODAS WE*) [“laced”]

20 Was transformed by make-up girl from East African state (9)
SWAZILAND – (WAS*) [“transformed”] by reversed (“from East” to west) DNA LIZ [(genetic) make-up | girl]. I tried SWAHILIAN for size for a few seconds but it had the problem of being nonsense.

21 Tip of twenty-five pounds: a pony? (5)
EQUID – {twenty-fiv}E + QUID [pounds]. Definition by example.

23 Jubilant cry, finding track in earth? (5,2)
GLORY BE – RY [track] in GLOBE [earth?]. Neither TALLY HO or GIDDY UP fit the bill, but third time lucky.

24 Material of gold, not initially cut into strip abroad (7)
ORGANZA – OR [gold] + N{ot} “cut into” GAZA [strip, abroad]

25 Some retired female’s particular niche (4)
APSE – hidden reversed in {femal}E’S PA{rticular}

26 Like one who’s still available, but not off-the-shelf (10)
SPINSTERLY – cryptic def. A spinster is unmarried (still available), but “on the shelf”.

DOWN
1 Propane perhaps but not a nerve agent, however (6-3)
BOTTLE-GAS – Propane comes in bottles but the owner of a thesaurus might expect a “bottle”-gas to be a “nerve” agent. Wrongly alas!

2 One who’s passed on answer abandoning approach (5)
GONER – GO NE{a}R [approach, removing its A for answer]. LOI, submitted with 90% certainly from the crossers, with just a small twinge of DEVONPORT-style mounting panic.

3 Lively old person tied up holds part of a chain? (5,2,1,5)
FRESH AS A DAISY – reversed SERF [old person tied] + HAS A DAISY [holds part of a chain]

4 Drink sadly not coming with starter (7)
OLOROSO – {d}OLOROSO [sadly], minus its “starter”

5 Take in French lesson, quiet for final seconds (7)
ENCLASP – EN [in (French)] + CLAS{s->P} [replace the final S (seconds) of CLASS (lesson) with P (quiet)]

7 It can’t be left alone (5,4)
JOINT WILL – cryptic def. One leaves a will, but one cannot leave a joint will on one’s own.

8 A clue to short lass’s build (3,2)
RIG UP – cryptically, GIR{l} is a “short lass”, and could be indicated by RIG UP. My first thought was BIG UP but this proved yet another non-starter.

11 Person on rowing team cut by blade? (6,2,5)
FIGURE OF EIGHT – an EIGHT is a rowing team and a person is a FIGURE. The blade here is an ice skate I think, and not as I initially fondly imagined a musketeer’s swishing rapier.

15 Old woman, behold, in a sense peculiar (9)
ANOMALOUS – MA LO [old woman | behold!] in A NOUS [a | sense]

16 Kids ready to demolish something with dates in (4,5)
DESK DIARY – (KIDS READY*) [“to demolish”]

18 Dreadful earful preceding Penny’s sudden outburst (5-2)
FLARE-UP – (EARFUL*) [“dreadful”] preceding P [penny]

19 Not known for accepting military decoration, etc (3,2,2)
AND SO ON – ANON [not known], for “accepting” DSO [military decoration]

20 Letter making case for Sophocles? (5)
SIGMA – As every classicist kno, sigma is the Greek letter that begins and ends the name “Sophocles”

22 Like part of arm of satellite, left to drop (5)
ULNAR – take LUNAR [of satellite], and “drop” its L [left] down a couple of notches.

59 comments on “Times 27,467: Champy Days Are Here Again”

  1. But not a championship level solver. After breezing through yesterday’s hard one I really floundered through this, and ended up with the obligatory error: grasshopper bird as a guess, not knowing the phrase grasshopper mind. Didn’t know of joint wills or that the sword hung over a feast, but everything else seen before or guessable (equid, enclasp), so definitely a tour de force of setting. Like Jack more enjoyable than yesterday’s; unlike Jack I found it much harder. Don’t expect me at the championships, either.
    My first guess for 8 dn was Tess providing “set up”.

    Edited at 2019-09-27 06:41 am (UTC)

  2. Well I take some encouragement from V finding this on the hard side because I thought it was a lot easier than yesterday’s offering and I managed to finish it without ever even considering that I may need to resort to aids. It was a lot more enjoyable than yesterday’s rather grim puzzle too. 50 minutes, so way below Championship levels but I don’t aspire to those great heights anyway.
    1. Oh, gosh. I haven’t finished yesterday’s yet…!
      I had no idea how hard this would have been to anyone with fewer distractions today, but it did take me a while and I was glad to see Verlaine’s evaluation.
  3. While this was a bit of a biff-fest, I did take time to check out most of my inspired guesses, which took me to just over 20 minutes, almost within Championship range.
    The hold up was SWAZILAND, which couldn’t obviously be anything else but I was missing an X (and, as it happens, a V) for the pangram, which also looked likely. I got the LIZ in the end but not the DNA, (for which, thanks) and decided I had enough to avoid pink squares.
    Likewise, I missed and did not check the SERF bit of 3d, but that really couldn’t have been anything else.
    Pleasant semi-tough puzzle helped by lots of multi-word answers.
  4. Yes, it’s really a poem (e e Cummings).
    35 mins then another few parsing the DNA LIZ bit.
    I loved this one (like yesterday’s). Mostly I liked: Equid and COD to Fresh as a Daisy.
    Thanks setter and V.
  5. 17:59 … it’s all in the eye of the bee holder, isn’t it. Yesterday’s I thought was a Grand Final puzzle, for sure. This one I mostly whipped through quite comfortably, even with an interruption.

    FIGURE OF EIGHT was the one I didn’t exactly understand (or at all) but the skating idea makes sense. I had ended up thinking more Zorro than Torvill and Dean.

    Favourite moment the penny-drop for EQUID.

    Cheers, jet-setting V and the setter

    1. The thing is I still don’t *understand* why yesterday’s was so hard! I agree that it was, but why?
  6. …42minutes, much better than I expected on first read, with LOI CUFFING. Not Championship level of course, so as usual I will be cheering our mighty warriors on from The George. I changed to GRASSHOPPER MIND from the bird when I couldn’t see JOINT WILL, only to replace the ‘i’ with the same letter, and seeing both answers more or less together. I’m going to make LURCH my COD despite many others having a better claim. I didn’t parse SWAZILAND. It does seem a bit reductive to use DNA for ‘make up’. I also think SPINSTERLY is a shade ungallant. The lady in question may never have put herself on the shelf. I once had a central heating system using LPG, so I knew BOTTLE GAS. A good puzzle. Thank you V and setter.
  7. 34:16 but with yet another GRASSHOPPER BIRD flung in despairingly to complete the grid. Chewy, but not as hard as yesterday’s. I liked BAG OF BONES and DESK DIARY. Thanks for explaining SWAZILAND, V.
    1. I’m surprised that so many people fell at the GRASSHOPPER MIND hurdle; but I guess it helps a lot to have one! I certainly do.
      1. I wrote a silly joke as a reply to this yesterday evening but I got distracted by something else and never got round to posting it.
  8. ….but TftT says my “IP address is temporarily banned!

    No doubt that will get sorted but thanks, Verlaine particularly for GONER, RIG UP and FRESH AS A DAISY.
    With SWAZILAND, I gave serious thought to both SWAZINAND and SWATINAND as the country is also called ESWATINI now.

  9. I had MOJO for 8 ac as mojo is a Cuban pickle and Maybe Only Just Opened. Eventually knew there was something wrong but I still think mine is a better answer
    1. No acrostic indicator, double-duty not allowed. In The Times it would need to be …maybe only just opened’s openings.
  10. I got in a muddle in the NW corner because I’d entered “punch” (thinking how clever) at 12a on the theory that you have such a list with your building contractor and it also might be a left. It was only after I saw the gas in 1d (after flirting with “butane”) that I realized a complete re-think was in order. I tried “Botswanan” for 20a – there was a WAS in there wasn’t there, so that entailed another re-think. All in all I was relieved to come home in 21.56. No champion solver me.
    1. Well I ummed and aahed over this for a long time but decided that sigma (as a generality) does indeed (help to) make the case for Sophocles.

      Perhaps “helping to” indeed would have been better

      The Editor

      1. Thanks for prompt and honest reply. What would have been wrong with ‘Letter repeatedly making case …’?
  11. 25′ but gave up on O-O-O-O, completely unknown – although I toyed with O NO for ‘sadly’….. Perhaps castled in the fourth dimension?

    20d is what Captain Scarlet would say to his mother….

    Of course a spinster, or a bachelor, may have chosen not to be ‘available’.

    Thanks verlaine and setter

  12. Another GRASSHOPPER BIRD here, alas. I found this tough, particularly the NW corner (again), which had me stymied for ages.

    BOTTLE-GAS seems to have escaped from a Guardian crossword.

      1. Collins and Chambers list both but seem to prefer BOTTLE GAS by putting it first. The printed Oxfords are silent on the matter but their on-line dictionary (now calling itself ‘Lexico powered by Oxford’) has both, adding that the first use of BOTTLE GAS dates from the early 20th century. I’ve been unable to find any support for a hyphen in either form.

        Edited at 2019-09-27 05:49 pm (UTC)

        1. There’s a hyphen in a handful of the examples cited in the OED, but that seems to be it. It does seem to make more sense with a hyphen than without, for all that.

          Super puzzle, and I managed to complete it in fits and starts in a hospital car park during a day of visiting. If I’d have sat down for the usual 45 minute session in the evening I doubt I’d have finished it. (Currently targeting the 2035 Championships.)

          – Nila Palin

  13. Tried to do this while listening to BBC 1 hour podcast of Thom Yorke on Desert Island Discs, which was a mistake. (the solving idea, not the listening). Struggled greatly and just couldn’t get the last few; found it much harder than yesterday’s. Don’t really get 1a, didn’t guess MIND right in 14a, needed a wordsearch to get 21a and 26a, so a solid DNF. My only thing was wanting to say SWAZILAND has been renamed by the King, but MartinP got there before me. Not a good day.
  14. 1. Check December 7th in diary, decide I can miss out on an away trip to Bradford Park Avenue.
    2. Book train tickets for £39.10
    3. Book two nights in cheap hotel for £93.50
    4. Take 25 minutes over puzzle, confirming my fears that a 20 minute target wasn’t achievable.
    5. Come to blog to confirm I’ve probably just wasted £132.60. At least I don’t need to pay for my annual ritual humiliation this year.

    Apart from the 25% overtime, I’d never heard of GRASSHOPPER MIND, nor the spurious “bird” that was my downfall.

    I only read half of the clue before entering SWORD OF DAMOCLES, which I parsed later. I was less successful with my other three biffs (SWAZILAND, FRESH AS A DAISY, and SIGMA), so my thanks to Verlaine for those.

    FOI AJAR
    LOI BOTTLE-GAS (not impressed)
    COD JOINT WILL

    I think I might consciously try to qualify for Group B (or even C), since I’m not realistically a candidate for the Final, and I might just get that wasted money back !

    1. I’m interested in this idea, which other people have raised on the Club Forum. I haven’t properly digested the new format yet, but it does seem open to gaming if you want to maximise your chances of walking away with some cash…
      1. I’m hoping that the final 3-way showdown puzzle will be in giant form with each finalist’s copy being on one side of a triangle, all set on a revolving podium.
        1. My main thought was that it had better be a *really* difficult puzzle, otherwise anyone who’s decided to answer a call of nature or grab a drink before taking their seat is going to miss the whole thing…
    2. Phil

      I am, too, excited about the Championship.

      I would love to meet the many people on this site who compete (I am patently not one of them).

      So I intend to meet you all in the pub during the afternoon.

      This will also cost £132.60 (Just for alcohol I hope).

      David

  15. Glad to see I am not the only BIRD-brain today. This came after I spent a lot of time failing to solve the NE corner, and realising that was mostly down to entering LEG-UP at 8dn, which seemed at least plausible, if not as good as the actual answer.
  16. I thought I’d done well with this until I came here to find myself amongst a flock of other grasshopper birds!

    I had to split this into two halves across a morning meeting, and the first half hour saw me do about as well I as I did with yesterday’s puzzle. However, the meeting clearly woke me up as I only needed 48m in total to get this one wrong 😀 I enjoyed it a lot more than yesterday’s, regardless!

  17. And no, if I’d need to do this in 20 mins…..
    Actually did all but NE in the required time, but the JOINT WILL and AJAR foxed me, and I never did understand RIG UP till I got here. It must be my BUTTERFLY MIND…
  18. Just when I thought I’d finally hit my stride this week (12:50) I discovered that the reason I couldn’t parse GRASSHOPPER BIRD fully was because it doesn’t parse.

    Edit to say there were some very good clues here, especially for BAG OF BONES and SWAZILAND.

    Edited at 2019-09-27 12:27 pm (UTC)

  19. Somewhere in the back of my mind I thought (correctly, I found when I checked) that GAJAR is the proper name for one of the Indian / Pakistani restaurant pickles. Very abstract, if that is correct.

    Being clever there did not stop me from leaving Stroke Of Eight in for far too long. A long word with many correct crossers can be a nightmare.

    Edited at 2019-09-27 03:47 pm (UTC)

  20. Another BIRD here, so DNF. I am unaware of the GR…. MIND term, and in this case I think I’ll stay that way. Scatterbrain is much more familiar to me, and seems to work just as well, so I’ll stick with that. Regards.
  21. Got to say, having only just logged onto the times site to see the new format of the championships, they seem like a joke. (Apologies to anyone involved, but these are my honest thoughts)

    1) Given not all of us can hope to compete with Magoo, the Grand final was always a legitimate target and a nice yardstick to aim for. This has now gone. Zero chance of making the top 3, and it would seem in the new format only “31,32,33,61,62,63” (i know those wont be the actuals) are interesting.

    2) Completely agree with other comments about gaming. Given the inaccessibility of top 3, there must be serious consideration to aiming for group C to make a target or reason in the semi-final.

    3) not entirely clear on timings, seems like a lot to fit into the same time span usually used. Four hour long sittings in total plus breaks, and whilst it will only apply to three people, three separate lots of adrenaline and attention to detail may be just a bit too much for some ages!

    I wonder if anyone else can give some insight as to the logic behind this, and perhaps point out what I have missed. Looking at above, I wonder if people had only clocked the date and not studied the format.

    1. David Parfitt, Puzzles Editor, here. To respond to your comments:

      1) In previous years, there were two preliminary rounds and a further round which produced three prize winnners at the end. It’s exactly the same this year except there is a brief extra round at the end to settle the order of those three prize winners (rather than just handing out the prizes straight away). The chances of making the top three are unchanged from previous years, and making the Semi-Final would represent the same achievement as reaching the Grand Final in previous years.

      What has changed, however, is that you now have a much better chance of being able to get through the preliminaries to the next round (and thus tackle more puzzles). And there are also more (and better) prizes, which surely can only ever be a good thing.

      2) For me, the point of competing in the Championship is to challenge yourself against other solvers, try your very best and to see where you rank in the end. If you come out with a prize, then that’s a bonus. I can’t really see why you would go to the trouble of attending if your express purpose is to underperform in order to game one of the lesser prizes.

      There are a couple of other factors to consider. All the Group A solvers and the top 20 Group B solvers will be guaranteed their places the following year. So there is a definite additional incentive to qualify for Group A above Group B and Group B above Group C.

      Attempting to game the system would be very risky. It would only take one genuine mistake to mean that deliberately underperforming results in missing out on the Semi-final entirely. And you wouldn’t even have the consolation of knowing that you’d at least tried your best.

      3) The Grand Final only involves one puzzle, so considering the speed of the top solvers, the difference in the required time between previous years and this year is negligible.

      Hope that all make sense.

      Best wishes,

      David

      1. Thank you for your lengthy response. Apologies also for letting it all out on first read, and not “mellowing out” for a few hours first.

        I can see all of your logic. I guess it is more of a personal thing for me, as I have turned up each year for the last ten with the aim to “make the final”, and now that this is no longer there, I have nothing really to target.

        I am sure that in years to come I will look back and wonder what all the (my) fuss was about !

        1. Appreciate that the changes in terminology will take a bit of getting used to. I think it’s important to emphasise that your aim of “making the final” still exists. The equivalent aim this year is to qualify to be in the Group A set of elite solvers. Being in the Group A Semi is almost exactly the same as being in the Grand Final in previous years – except there are 30 solvers rather than 24. If you end up coming 10th in the Group A Semi this will be the same achievement as coming 10th in the old Grand Final.

          In fact, we could have justifiably continued to use the term “Grand Final” instead of “Semi-Final” and then something like “Championship playoff” for the mini-round to settle the top three. Maybe something to ponder for next year…

          1. Ah- maybe I misread the format of the Semi-Final. Are you saying there are three distinct semi finals for the three groups? (Even if contemporaneous and using the same grids).

            I had assumed that all 90 were competing with each other in a single Semi, with the groupings only pertinent to allocation of prizes.

            If the first case is the one, will there be three separate areas of the room, with three sets of invigilators to assess the time order of finishers?

            1. Yes, the Semi-final groups are completely distinct from each other. Effectively, there are three separate mini contests all happening simultaneously.

              Invigilation and assessment of order isn’t really any more difficult than usual in this system. Each solver’s grouping will be identified in the scorer’s spreadsheet, so we will record the order in the usual way and then the spreadsheet can simply be filtered by grouping.

              1. From a solvers perspective it will matter. A passing idea of how many finishers have already declared will affect the amount of risk you are willing to take and/or any checking you will allow yourself.

                If you have no idea which of the finishers you are competing directly with this then becomes impossible.

                That said, you could still partition the three groups within the room whilst using a single list and that would allow the solvers to identify who they are competing against.

                1. Interesting point. It may well make sense to have all the groups sitting together and we could certainly do that. In some ways, though, perhaps it would be no bad thing if solvers can concentrate on solving rather than feeling they should be keeping an eye on rivals. And mixing the groups would remove any advantage solvers may gain from sitting in a position affording a good view of rivals rather than right at the front.
  22. Well, this was indeed dreadful for me, but at least there were no sudden outbursts! Unfortunately there weren’t many outbursts of inspiration either. I kept getting on the right track but unable to finish a lot of the clues, eg Bag of something, but what??? Not a lot done before I resorted to the blog to help kick start things again.

    FOI Apse
    Flare-up was SOI appropriately 😊
    No probs with Swaziland, and I liked Orange-tip.

    A big fat DNF!

  23. If The Times wants to encourage participation in the championships, I’m not sure this is the ideal crossword to sell it? Mr Grumpy
  24. For once, the SNITCH is my friend for rating this one as “harder”. Harder than what, it does not specify. In any event, it was hard enough to keep me occupied for 43 minutes.

    My first pass yielded only one answer (ORANGE TIP – there are many of them on a walk I take regularly, so it was an easy one), followed by very slow progress that filled me with qualms about the gettability of some of the answers. Was 9ac going to be some obscure heraldic symbol? And, if so, what is “bronze” in heraldese? Did I know any long words containing “silo” for 14ac? Could I recall any fabrics other than denim and chintz for 24ac?

    Eventually, the grid reached that tipping point where it looked more filled than empty (or at least more fillable than hopeless), and then the last few came all in a flurry of wavelengthening.

    So, I am finally up to date, crosswordwise. Deciding not to believe in Mondays may have been a mistake, as I’ve spent most of the week catching up. On the plus side, though (and apropos nothing at all), I have a weekend of destruction to look forward to, having hired a variety of extremely dangerous-looking equipment from a tool-hire place. Two-stroke engines, pneumatics, caterpillar treads, hydraulics and big pointy things. It’s me versus a brick-bult garage and a concrete slab, and I have the bigger guns.

  25. DNF. I was soundly thrashed by this one. I started it late and a bit tired after a hectic day at work so was probably being a bit dozy. The bottom half went in ok but the top half had more holes in it than a lump of Swiss cheese. Looking back there are a couple I think I would normally have got which passed me by. I also missed out on some of the finer details so it was well worth coming here for the usual excellent blog.
  26. This was my final catch up puzzle after being away in Spain for a wedding(apart from Saturday’s Jumbos). Having read through the comments, I’m amazed to have found this relatively easy, and completed it in a minute or so under my average time. GONER was my FOI and GRASSHOPPER MIND was my LOI. I’ve not come across that expression before, but the only bit of the wordplay I was unsure of was watch for MIND. I couldn’t think of anything else that would fit, so in it went. I spotted the DNA for make up in SWAZILAND. Took a while to see FIGURE OF EIGHT. I needed CUFFING before I saw it despite having OF EIGHT in from an early stage. PIECES didn’t parse:-) Liked BAG OF BONES. I enjoyed this puzzle. 32:21. Thanks setter and V.
  27. This is off topic but I am a long time lurker here. I actually do the puzzles from the books. A few years ago I read a crossword-themed mystery, cleverly titled “Crossword Mystery,” by Punshon and was immediately fascinated with the cryptic. I’d only ever seen it in the variety puzzle magazines we have in the states and I always ignored them because they seemed so impossible. (They’re becoming increasingly more common in the last few years—one or two in most of the volumes.)

    I ordered the Times Quick Cryptic Book 1 and one of the Daily Mail’s (I think.) I tried but gave up. They were just too hard. For some reason I came back to them again and again. Soon I found this very helpful, encouraging site. Lo and behold, I’m pretty good now. I used to scribble DNF at the top of each page, but now I scribble <10m most of the time. Crosswordland-specific words and usages and abbreviations weren’t as hard to figure out as the cricket, Cockney, rivers, and fauna terms, but I am working on it. I still don’t care for the Daily Mail cryptics!

    Recently I took the plunge and bought my first 15×15 book and I feel I’m back to square one. I’m making slow progress, but there are just some that I cannot get. I average about 6 missed clues per puzzle, half of which are, personally, ungettable. But I soldier on, and it’s a lot of fun. Fun too is learning all the crosswordland terms: anagrist, anagrind, etc.

    I just wanted to thank all the bloggers and the commenters. I don’t think many Americans my age are into cryptics but it’s become quite the little hobby and it would be a lot less fun if this website didn’t clue me into the answers and parsings of my ungettables.

    Sorry for the life story. Thanks!

    PuzzledDaily

    1. D’oh! Maybe I should re-post this when more people would see it. For some reason I posted on the wrong day. If it’s okay maybe I’ll re-post it tomorrow morning.

      PuzzledDaily

      1. I saw it too! Great to have you on board and happy to try to elucidate any of the inner mysteries of solving that may still be opaque to you 🙂
    2. Welcome PuzzledDaily. Glad you find the blogs helpful. As you say, you’ll get a bigger audience if you post on the current day. I’m only here as I’m on a catch up mission after a holiday break. Verlaine the blogger will see your post as a mail is sent to the blogger with each post. Get yourself an LJ sign on and you’ll get notified when people reply to your posts too. Regards John.
  28. I don’t know why news paper editors put the times in a paper these days. It is over the top difficulty wise. It is more likely to lose customers then get them. This is self indulgent crap from the setter targeting a small audience.

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