Times 27,017: Mission to Minsk

That archival puzzle on Wednesday may have been a blessing in disguise, if it put us in the right frame of mind for today’s, which I thought had a definite and not unpleasing old-school feel. I didn’t know the epithet for Gladstone, the fizzy water or the scientific unit but all those clues were quite easily gettable from the wordplay and the crossers. More embarrassingly, I lost a lot of time in the NE corner due to having bunged in a hopelessly optimistic TEA TOWEL for the drier, and might (for shame) actually have gone down one again if this had been a prelim puzzle with a very careless IODIUM at 22ac: I mean obviously there were warning bells ringing but, when you’re in a puzzle filled with so many slight obscurities, you, or at least I, do start to half-believe that IODIUM could be an old alternative for IODINE…

Luckily I didn’t do this electronically, and sadly I didn’t even time myself, though I feel somewhere around the ten minutes mark is probably right, especially after the bogging down around 13ac. My clue of the day is definitely 14ac, superbly concise and an excellently relatable surface, 10/10 would happily solve again. Many thanks to the setter!

ACROSS
1 Thus America carrying burden becomes dozy (10)
SLUMBEROUS – SO US [thus | America] carrying LUMBER [burden]

7 River that’s more beautiful between banks? (4)
AIRE – {f}AIRE{r}

9 A special moment in which one’s collected fossil (8)
AMMONITE – A + (MOMENT*) [“special…”] in which I [one] is collected

10 Block Yankee, creating stir (6)
CHOKEY – CHOKE Y [block | Yankee]. Stir as in “prison”.

11 River, Charlie? You and I will catch that fish (6)
WRASSE – R ASS [river | Charlie] – WE [you and I] will catch that

13 Group entering train to get drier (3,5)
TEA CLOTH – LOT [group] entering TEACH [train

14 European seriously drunk in bar (12)
BYELORUSSIAN – (SERIOUSLY*) [“drunk”] in BAN [bar]

17 Female home full of love attended by stars who bring good news? (12)
MISSIONARIES – MISS [female] + IN [home] full of O [love], attended by ARIES [stars]. Good news as in the “gospel”.

20 Haggard female beset by fairies passes away (8)
PERISHES – SHE [(H Rider) Haggard female] beset by PERIS [fairies]

21 Naval officer’s clique drink (6)
POSSET – P.O.’S SET [naval officer’s | clique]

22 An element of singular dislike (6)
SODIUM – S ODIUM [singular | dislike]

23 Not terribly keen about final decision-maker? Precisely! (2,3,3)
ON THE DOT – (NOT*) [“terribly”] + HOT [keen] about ED [final decision-maker]

25 Gladstone’s epithet’s recalled in a haze (4)
SMOG – Gladstone being the G.O.M. (Grand Old Man); GOM’S recalled.

26 Provider of printed notes for performers (5,5)
SHEET MUSIC – cryptic def

DOWN
2 More than one bloodsucker strikes to secure victim (8)
LAMPREYS – LAMS [strikes] to secure PREY [victim]

3 Order set up to imprison a Communist leader (3)
MAO – O.M. [order] set up to imprison A

4 Boy climbing tree with minimal energy (5)
EMILE – reverse LIME [“climbing” tree] + E for energy

5 See sort that could turn out murderer in mythology (7)
ORESTES – (SEE SORT*) [“…that could turn out”]

6 Conservative in group, heretical and bigoted (9)
SECTARIAN – C [Conservative] in SET ARIAN [group | heretical]

7 A star drinking nothing, overturning fizzy water (11)
APOLLINARIS – A POLARIS [a | star] drinking NIL reversed [nothing, “overturning”]

8 Dish of fish eggs: it’s served up (6)
ROESTI – ROE [fish eggs] + IT’S reversed

12 Seriously performing only, I warble about heartless fellow (11)
SOLEMNISING – SOLE I SING [only | I | warble] about M{a}N [“heartless” fellow]

15 Hospital in Somerset redone as accommodation for the elderly (4,5)
REST HOMES – H [hospital] in (SOMERSET*) [“redone”]

16 Famous Argentinian tucked into cooked pie and sausage (8)
PEPERONI – PERON [famous Argentinian] tucked into (PIE*) [“cooked…”]

18 Coming soon as a sale item? (2,5)
IN STORE – double def, if something’s IN a STORE it’s presumably intended for sale

19 Umpire, old, with room for improvement (6)
REFORM – REF O [umpire | old] with RM [room]

21 Small cat or dog, the one giving chase (5)
PETIT – PET [cat or dog] + IT [the one giving chase]

24 Bird in science unit (3)
EMU – double def, an E.M.U. being an electromagnetic unit

78 comments on “Times 27,017: Mission to Minsk”

  1. Actually basic chemistry is grinding my gears a lot lately, as two weeks ago in Quiz League London I managed to blurt that element-number-6-essential-component-in-all-organic-life was “nitrogen” and this week called the halogens “halides”. Its back to school in a dunce’s cap for your overly classical blogger I fear… can anyone recommend any good primers on the sciences for learners later in life?
    1. The Schoolboy’s Pocket Book has much to offer in concise form, with Chemical Formulae, Chemical Indicators (including Phenolphthalein!), Table of Elements and Chemical Names for Familiar Substances. Its classical content should also be of interest. My copy is dated 1960 and would have cost my father seven shillings and sixpence (the price quoted for all Evans Pocket Books) when he bought it for me. Quoting from the from the front cover flap, “…Possession of this book will give him a new pride, for it will place at his fingertips essential knowledge and he will no longer have to ask questions – he can look things up for himself, quickly and with the minimum of trouble.” Res ipsa loquitur, perhaps?
      With a title like that, however, the book may well have been banned some time ago for reasons of PC.
      Kind regards, Bob K.
      1. Gracious, yes: I still have my copy, full of things that boys need to know, but girls (obviously) don’t. The rather thicker Pears Cyclopaedia had a similar function (my Aunt used to give me a copy every year for Christmas), if rather less enticingly titled.
        PS I see from Wiki that Pears is still published, but only just: 2018 is its final edition.
        1. Pears Cyclopedia is also much pricier! Alright, I’ve ordered a 1951 Schoolboy’s Pocket Book. There can’t have been that much useful added to the body of schoolboy knowledge since 1951, just sexual intercourse and Beatles LPs and other things like that.
        2. I have a very large collection of Pears Cyclopaedia, about 100 volumes which due to the market I am unable to even give away to a good cause.
      2. Available from Amazon for as little as 99p + p&p. Is a sufficient amount of the information likely to be still in date? Might take a punt on it if so…
  2. 17:30 … identical solving experience to yours, verlaine — same unknowns, even the same IOMIUM, where I did manage to heed the alarm bells and rethink.

    Some nice words — CHOKEY the best of them, but something about WRASSE makes me happy, too.

    On today’s menu at the Setter’s Arms — baked lamprey or wrasse, garnished with roesti and peperoni, paired with a posset and washed down with Apollinaris water. yum

  3. Too many unknowns for me. Unlike V, I managed to get 22a without a problem, but like V I put in TEA TOWEL for 13a and sadly never took it back out, meaning the NE was too much of a problem. Combine that with not knowing WRASSE, APOLLINARIS or ROESTI and this was just a bit too much of a stretch. Shame, after coming up with BYELORUSSIAN and ORESTES and a couple of others at the edge of my ken, too…

    I see from its Wikipedia entry that Apollinaris is mentioned in Three Men on the Bummel. I should probably get further than chapter two!

    Edited at 2018-04-20 06:38 am (UTC)

  4. Having managed to complete all but the NE in what I thought was a reasonable time, the likes of ORESTES and APOLLINARIS left me flummoxed, and with an extra typo for good measure, this was a DNF. Also my inability to see fish eggs as roe killed me off, although I knew ROESTI. Another TEA TOWEL here as well – knew it wasn’t right….
  5. 19 minutes just about, with much late time involved in identifying the fizzy water. I knew the word (I think) but would have assumed it was Italian and probably some sort of unspeakable herbal liqueur. Along with Mrs Z’s favourite St Yorre, it is eschewed by my local Tesco, which happily stocks Badoit, San Pellegrino (petrol’s cheaper per litre) so I lack that prompt to my knowledge.
    For me, an EMU is (like a DMU) a boyhood disappointment, a set of tin boxes trundling along the track with rather pointless numbers to collect. Not a proper engine in sight. Without looking it up, I bet there’s a proper name for an Electromagnetic Unit derived from a famous (to his colleagues) scientist. Jim?
    POSSET has turned up here before, I think, accompanied by complaint by people who knew not The Scottish Play with the unforgettable line “I have drugged their possets” (Mrs The Scottish Person). Otherwise in my family it’s what overfed babies discharge onto your shoulder.
    Best of luck with the chemistry remedial classes, V. SODIUM was my favourite clue today

    Edited at 2018-04-20 07:38 am (UTC)

  6. Very similar experience to Lord Verlaine and Lady Sotira, so DNF.

    I had 22ac as IODIUM (doh!) and almost dried-up with 13ac TEA TOWEL fortunately 8dn ROESTI (DNK and my LOI) and 7n APOLLONARIS (my WOD) led to finding the TEA CLOTH and mop up.

    FOI 1ac SLUMBEROUS

    7ac AIRE fine but why fr=banks?

    COD 17ac MISSIONARIES Initially I thought it was going to be FASHIONISTAS!

    I believe King John died of a surfeit of lampreys.

    1. Not John, but allegedly Henry I. Although it always sounded a fishy tale to me.
      1. He spent a night at Swinehead Abbey, then at Sleaford Castle and finally died at Newark Castle of surfeit of something eaten at Swinehead! Apricots perhaps!? I also bet he had a few lampreys.
        1. John fined the city of Gloucester £250 000 for failing to supply him with lampreys….
  7. 65 mins eventually to finish this over yoghurt, granola, blueberry compote, etc.
    And it was a reason to be cheerful although I spent too long wondering what to do with the Y in the xxxRussian, which delayed lampreys, and therefore slumberous, etc.
    DNK GOM’s nor my penultimate Apollinaris, which unlocked (LOI) Aire.
    Mostly I liked all the food/drink references and best of all Peron tucking in to Peperoni.
    Thanks tough setter and V.
  8. The last 5 minutes of which were largely spent wondering whether I should just throw in the towel. Glad to see I’m not alone in not knowing GOM–but didn’t need to with the checkers–and not for the longest time getting past TEA TOWEL–thought of PARTY first, yet. Also DNK EMU, couldn’t figure out ON THE DOT, took forever to remember APOLLINARIS even with POLARIS, dot dot dot. I tried EURE and EBRO before remembering AIRE. But no problem with SODIUM.
  9. I knew Apollinaris… but didn’t get it till I had all the crossers. And it was my penultimate one in, before I finally relented and spelled PEPERONI with one P.
    Great fun, as hardly any were gotten just from the definition. Never heard of ROESTI, but it had to be right… As did AMMONITE (not a member of an ancient Middle Eastern tribe). TEA CLOTH is also an addition to my vocabulary. Took the Gladstone reference on faith. Also that Charlie is an ass.

    Edited at 2018-04-20 08:15 am (UTC)

    1. Don’t know if this will help, Guy, but it’s a Germnaic potato dish spelt ‘Rösti’ in its native countries. In crosswords it’s common practice to omit accents in answers but in German there’s always an option to replace an umlaut with an extra E, and that gives us the unusual spelling required today: ‘Roesti’.
  10. Yes, far too many unknowns for this to be an enjoyable solving experience. In the 21st century who knows(or cares) that Gladstone = GOM? And ED for ‘final decision maker’ is another one that got my goat.

    I understood the principle at 7ac before I came up with the answer but thought ‘between banks’ was going to be more specific, and following on from our recent discussions here about rivers having left and right banks I was expecting L and R to be the letters required to complete the wordplay.

    Edited at 2018-04-20 07:25 am (UTC)

    1. Precisely my feeling. Would have been fine in Wednesday’s antique, but to expect us to come up with a river just by chopping random letters off either end when you’ve clearly hinted at L and R is iffy. Didn’t help me with the first letter of the sparkly water either.
    2. …never entered my mind, and I’m glad. I just looked for a six-letter word meaning “more beautiful,” so ending in “er.” This was one of my last ones in, admittedly.
  11. One had a good understanding of people and the other founded social science?Found this hard today taking 45 minutes, not helped by first thinking that the unit was an ERG. If only Meg Ryan had an EMU on Parkinson, that would have been an event. There actually is an Erg bird too. Sodium was a write-in. COD CHOKEY by a short head from SMOG. LOI APOLLINARIS. Didn’t get into this but there’s no harm in that. Thank you V and setter.

    Edited at 2018-04-20 08:58 am (UTC)

  12. A commercial product -Apollinaris- as a crossword solution? I didn’t think that sort of thing was approved of. LOI was CHOKEY. 76m 19s
    1. …especially since it’s now owned by Coca Cola, who also own Sidcup tap water sold under the name Dasani. Perhaps there’s a sponsorship deal.
      1. A shame as there are sources in antiquity – to the East of Sidcup, I believe (!)-that could have been used to clue Apollinaris.
    2. Hoover or Biro, for instance, are commercial products that have become synonymous, and to see them here would not surprise me – but Apollinaris is scarcely a household name.
      1. Aged 72, I’ve never heard of APOLLINARIS but then I’ve led a sheltered life. I’m not sure I could have lived with the excitement of all those bubbles. It was my LOI from cryptic, having persisted with an upside-down SODA before the crossers stopped me.
        1. Can’t see Nat Lofthouse drinking fizzy water out of the FA Cup! The use of the name of a commercial product is slightly odd in that there are sources for the name Apollinaris in classical history that could have been used.
      2. Quite so. Apollinaris is not a household name while Hoover and Biro are used as generic terms. Fedex also falls under that category, I think.
  13. Finished in a bit over the hour but disappointed to miss CHOKEY, being a DNK and having to toss up between that and CLOSEY. One of those annoying times when full parsing of the cryptic gives two possible answers and I pick the wrong one. I was happy to have made my way through all the other obscurities mentioned.

    Thanks, V, for the well-detailed blog. And congratulations for avoiding the electronic record of your result 😉

    1. If you’re going to do one day of the week on paper, it does seem like Friday might be the strategic day to do it 😉
  14. The only Swiss person I know spells it “rosti” – and it’s delicious. Another “towel” person here. I thought a TEA CLOTH was something daintily embroidered that went under the stuff on the tea tray in Barbara Pym, or was sold as royal wedding memorabilia. Around here they’re just dish towels. I took a long time to see EMILE for some reason but did know GOM thanks to my grandmother’s ancient bound volumes of Punch. The jokes are unfunny and unmemorable (except for the curate’s egg) but they’re quite interesting otherwise. 19.41

    P.S. So the new prize for “best newcomer” at the champs won’t be awarded to any of the old lags here since some of us have been around the block before?

    Edited at 2018-04-20 08:57 am (UTC)

  15. In my world one dries the pots with a tea towel, and mops up with a dish cloth. Hence the incorrect biff that I realised as such when spotting the inverted “nil” in the Evian substitute.

    Also biffed ON THE DOT, where I thought keen was “het” without its up, and couldn’t understand why DO was the arbiter. Thanks V !

    EMU was obvious despite not knowing the science unit (but was familiar with the loathsome form of rail transport).

    15:43 is a decent Friday time for me. Thanks to the setter for a generally good offering.

    FOI PERISHES
    LOI PETIT (my French is practically dead)
    WOD WRASSE
    COD SECTARIAN (beautifully parsed)
    Next best BYELORUSSIAN

    Agree with many about the expected banks of the AIRE. DNK SLUMBEROUS but it yielded easily.

  16. 68 mins: found it tough. Put in Apollonaris based on a vague memory, didn’t like the A starting 7a (because that one obviously had to be an L or an R!) so looked up Apollinaris in my ODE and found only a bishop of Laodicea, so took it out again, and only re-entered it after AIRE eventually came. SODIUM seemed like a reasonable element to me. COD to WRASSE: that one had me in a right lather. Must dash: off to St Ives for the weekend!
    Fine blog and fine puzzle — thanks.
  17. Had SODIUM as FOI of course, but never heard of CHOKEY for prison so was guessed as LOI in 35 slow minutes.
    CoD the chap from Minsk.

    good luck with the schoolboy science, V. I think there have been a few additions to science knowledge since 1951 especially the messing aorund with names of units, but good luck with it.

    Any ideas for a similar novice guide to Classical nonsense? I have some huge books on it (a 3 vol Greek Antiquities bought for pennies from daughter’s prep school library sale) but nothing easy and concise.
    pip

  18. Well, not many for me. Too much unknown general knowledge that prevented me from getting the checkers necessary to complete the stuff I did know.
  19. 23′ today, solved later in the day than usual. BYELORUSSIAN my favourite. However, ROESTI went in with crossed fingers. Has anyone else done today’s cryptic quintagram online? (waits expectantly)….
    1. I’ve done the Quintagram now that you mentioned it! Quite enjoyable, I didn’t really enjoy it when I tried it the first time but it’s just like a small crossword come at from a different angle, really, isn’t it…
      1. There was an error(!) in it which has now been corrected. I was left with an extra letter in #5. I wonder what form the apology will take?
  20. 33 minutes: LOI 11ac, as was sure ‘Charlie’ meant there had to be a C somewhere. I had heard of 7dn (perhaps from a clue for ‘polly’ elsewhere, though can’t trace it now). I then spent time trying to get something from AVON or ARUN. Also TEA TOWEL was first thought at 13ac, but wouldn’t fit.
    22ac:
    Sir Humphry Davy
    Abominated gravy.
    He lived in the odium
    Of having discovered sodium.
  21. According to my dictionary peperoni is Italian & Spanish for a capsicum and the sausage has a double “p”. Humph! andyf
    1. Chambers app on my phone is claiming one-p as a valid alternative spelling for the two-p sausage, so I don’t think we have a legal case…

      Mmmmmmm, 2p sausage.

  22. I found this quite easy and at 31:04 only a few minutes off a PB.

    The only holdups were the unusual (but valid) spellings of rosti and pepperoni, which others have commented on.

    Thanks for the blog V, but I’m not sure I understand your parsing of 20a. I assumed the “haggard female” must be HES (anagram of SHE) being beset by peris at the front?

    1. “She” is Queen Ayesha, aka She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed in a Haggard novel, as Penfold has already pointed out. The other interpretation would be a bit elaborate!
    2. She is an H. Rider Haggard book based on the Charles Aznavour song. It was made into a fillum starring Ursula Andress, Peter Cushing and Bernard “Right Said Fred” Cribbins.
      1. Ah, thanks for that. Glad I don’t have to show my workings when I click “submit”!
    1. It’s the sort of nonsense I’m used to seeing all the time in Listener grids at this point, to be fair.
  23. Sheesh! 71:21. Lots of unknowns. FOI MAO, LOI EMILE. Knew WRASSE as I caught one some years ago on holiday in Cornwall. It was the only bright spot in a holiday which saw my 5 year old daughter stricken by chicken pox, my wife having to be taken to hospital every day to have a blister which encompassed her whole shin dressed, my company car driven into the back of by my father in law, 10 minutes before some stranger drove into the back of my Escort Mk2 1600 Sport, which my brother had borrowed, as his own wouldn’t have made it from the NE. Funnily enough I haven’t been back since. Didn’t know GOM, but it had to be SMOG. APOLLINARIS! Really? Liked BYELORUSSIAN. SODIUM a write in. Tough crossword. Thanks setter and V.
  24. 21:09 which suggests I struggled with this.

    I’m normally quite strong on food & drink but I’ve never heard of Apollinaris and assumed it was some stupid ancient fizzy river in some stupid ancient country that would be well-known to all the classicists hereabouts.

    There was plenty of other stuff I didn’t know but the fact that I solved it all indicates that the setter did his or her job very well.

  25. Glad to see I wasn’t alone in feeling a bit dim here. That NE corner took an age to fall – never heard of APOLLINARIS, possibly because in restaurants I am happy with tap water and Volume II of the wine list; I wasn’t happy with ROESTI, because in my book it had to be either rösti, or, if transliterated, rosti (which seems to be backed up by more than one dictionary, but no doubt it’s validated by Chambers, it always is); and as a result, without even a checking letter, the river took an age to come to mind.

    I’ve had a look back over the site to see where I got my apparently mistaken view on diacritics (basically, I thought you ignore them, as you would an apostrophe in an answer) and in my defence there seems to have been a lack of consistency over the years. Röntgen always has the extra E (in which cases I suppose the definition might be the scientific unit, which definitely needs it), but Schrödinger never does, and neither does Mönchengladbach, on its understandably infrequent appearances.

    1. I spent 1978/79 in Muenchen. (aka Munich) Normally spelt with an umlaut. The occupying US Army used to pronounce the placename without the umlaut. They had a radio show called “Luncheon in Munchen”
  26. Phew. I’m too ashamed to report my time on this one, having been detained by MISSIONARIES, PERISHES (for which no excuse) and APOLLINARIS. The last of those was my LOI, as I spent a long time trying to use a reverse “soda” as the last four letters.
  27. Great holiday, John, particularly the assassination attempt by your father in law. Have you seen the Joan Baez biopic on Sky Arts? You can still get it on Catch Up. It’s the best one I’ve ever seen. The pictures of her and her sister Mimi are heart rending. Bob fully co-operated and the love and esteem thay still hold each other in is truly moving.
    1. Thanks John, I’ve put my Virgin box on alert for any programs on Joan Baez and will see what pops up. I banished Sky when they raised my subscription yet again! I do get Sky Arts but not the catch up apparently.
  28. Screwed up royally. Zipped through in 15 mins, but had perished instead of perishes. Wrongly assumed that perished=haggard, and D=passes away. Clever misdirection, making Haggard the first word of the clue to disguise the capital letter. That then stopped me getting the final IN STORE. So – a big fat totally untechnical DNF 🙂
  29. 49 minutes. I enjoyed the challenge and liked AIRE, even though at first I was looking for L and R. Setters must have a bit of latitude with wordplay, or else they will become too reliant on obscure words. Talking of which, I enjoyed today’s, including my own invention ‘scumberous’ at 1 across.

    Edited at 2018-04-20 03:57 pm (UTC)

  30. 18:59. I really enjoyed this one. It had a bit of an odd feel to it, but the obscurities seemed fairly clued. SMOG for instance: the answer is obvious from the definition and checkers. I didn’t know this name for Gladstone but I didn’t need to, and, well, now I do.
    I wasn’t sure where to put the Y in BYELORUSSIAN but LAMPREYS (collective noun: a surfeit) sorted that out.
    The unknown APOLLINARIS was my last in by some margin (probably 5 minutes) and required careful construction from the wordplay.
  31. This took an extended time of about 35 minutes. I was flummoxed by having to spell PEPPERONI without what I consider the necessary second (third?)’P’, and ROSTI with an extra letter. Didn’t know of Gladstone’s nickname, and I don’t believe I’ve seen SLUMBEROUS before, although it’s self explanatory. I thought the Russian and the mineral water were quite clever, liked those. Regards.
  32. That was tough, and BYELORUSSIAN went in with fingers crossed. I had heard of the water…it is common in Germany where I go regularly. But I carelessly put in apollOnaris which was really stupid since the wordplay is completely clear.

    I avoided the TEA TOWEL trap and for a time provisionally fell into TEA PARTY (it’s a group, and there used to be wets and drys, and the tea party was on the dry end…it seemed plausible until it wasn’t).

  33. Would’ve been done in 43 mins but for an erroneous Apollinarus (very painful). That aside I generally had the GK. Came face to face with a Napoleon wrasse whilst scuba diving in tropical waters many years ago, big bugger, fat lips, bulbous sort of forehead (is what I imagine he thought on seeing me). Knew the GOM from history A-level which on the British side was all about WEG and home rule for Ireland. Knew the surfeit of lampreys death of king Henry but couldn’t remember who croaked after a surfeit of pickled herring and Rhenish wine, seems it was Shakespeare’s antagonist Robert Greene. If I get to pick I think I’ll go for the Duke of Clarence’s butt of Malmsey wine. COD (comment of the day) Penfold’s casual reference to the song on which the H.R. Haggard book is based.

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