Times 26,795: Bar Flies

Hello from New York! As a bit of fun this week, and because the changes to the Crossword Club mean that none of us know whether we’re coming or going anyway, I did this puzzle as a four-way joint effort with my new crew of Paul, Sandy and Jeremy, sat outside Pete’s Tavern with pints in our hand outside Gramercy Park. With hindsight the pints and general lack of commitment to concentration may not have been the best idea, as this was a bloody hard crossword and took us well over 20 minutes to put paid to, but I reckon we can actually consider it to be only a little over 5 minutes each, i.e. blazingly fast, well done team.

FOIs 9ac but there wasn’t much plain sailing to be had after that. 17ac took way too long for our collective of bleary sots, as we argued and argued over whether it was definitely going to be word beginning with THEO-. The intersection of 2dn and 11ac seemed really quite obscure – I remembered both the French satirist Boileau as a footnote to my study of Moliere for French A-level, and the “leaning condensers” which weren’t in fact called that from chemistry lessons of a similar vintage, but Sandy in particular was vocal in his incredulity about LIEBIG being a word. None of us could see a word related to stone in _A___U_T, and I’m afraid to say, with 20 minutes on the clock already, an executive decision was made to look at possibilities in Crossword Solver so that we could spend less time starting at a hot laptop and more on drinking cool beer. Leaving the Malaysian province completely unknown to any of us the LOI; very straightforward given the wordplay and the final K, but before then there had been a lot of discussion over whether it could possibly be PARTE?

There was general agreement at the end that the brilliant 7dn was our COD, but there was a lot of very creative and lateral cluing on offer here. When even the double definitions make you think “gosh, that’s very clever” then you are onto a good thing: round of applause to the setter. How nice of management to usher us into the new Club format and its unfamiliar controls gently, with some lighter fare to help us find our bearings. Or not, as the case may be!

Across
1 Reserve a bike, mostly for certain type of sport (7)
SUBAQUA – SUB A QUA{d} [reserve | a | bike, “mostly”]
5 Medical graduate saving lives after fitting initiation (7)
BAPTISM – BM [medical graduate] “saving” IS [lives] after APT [fitting]
9 Hardline rep slammed flirtatious male (11)
PHILANDERER – (HARDLINE REP*) [“slammed”]
10 Those who advocate further decoration (3)
BAR – double def. Is it a “further decoration” because a single heraldic bar is a fess, and bars proper appear more multiply? Thanks to those who pointed out the correct explanation – a bar is added to a medal for repeated acts of heroism.
11 Old chemist’s invention of considerable importance (6)
LIEBIG – LIE BIG [invention | of considerable importance]
12 Track around entrance to park by pool becoming stony?
BANKRUPT – RUT [track] around P{ark} by BANK [pool]
14 Land in one piece to perform Mass (6,7)
UNITED KINGDOM – UNITED KING DO M [in one | piece | to perform | mass]
17 Religious texts construed as a hint, no less (13)
THESSALONIANS – (AS A HINT NO LESS*) [“construed”]
21 Home occupied by politician before becoming spoiled (8)
PAMPERED – PAD [home] “occupied by” MP ERE [politician | before]
23 From right and left, cheers popular hit (6)
ATTAIN – AT TA [“from right and left”, cheers] + IN [popular]
25 Regularly eclipsed in fast conditions (3)
IFS – I{n} F{a}S{t}
26 Physics master from staff in boarding school: German (11)
SCHRODINGER – ROD IN [staff | in] “boarding” SCH GER [school | German]
27 Glasses you returned with article in jug (7)
EYEWEAR – reverse of YE [you “returned”] + A [article] in EWER [jug]
28 Leaves producer assisting with censorship? (3,4)
FIG TREE – cryptic definition. A fig tree produces fig leaves which conceal the shame of nudes in classical art.

Down
1 Yield with grace (6)
SUPPLY – double def
2 Author of Brewer’s simple guide in two languages? (7)
BOILEAU – to make tea, boil water; or BOIL EAU in Franglais.
3 Survives the heat, perhaps, but also weakens (9)
QUALIFIES – double def
4 What opera fans want to see first hand? (4)
AIDA – if a hand is an AID, “first hand” could be AID A.
5 Loud criticism something that prevents torture (10)
BARRACKING – BAR RACKING [something that prevents | torture]
6 Asian state’s king wearing crown (5)
PERAK – R [king] “wearing” PEAK [crown]
7 Hip hop’s coming home! (7)
INBOUND – IN BOUND [hip | hop]
8 Tread water maybe initially when flood rescue needed? (4,4)
MARK TIME – M{aybe} + ARK TIME [“when flood rescue needed”]
13 There will be manoeuvring to oust one leader (10)
BELLWETHER – (THERE W{i}LL BE*) [“manoeuvring”]
15 Close call after finding that principal has left (4,5)
NEAR THING – {u}NEARTHING [finding “that principal has left”]
16 Dear old man getting upset in a moment (2,1,5)
AT A PRICE – reverse of PA [old man “getting upset”] in A TRICE [a | moment]
18 Seems an unusual way to come together (2,5)
EN MASSE – (SEEMS AN*) [“unusual”]
19 Shock spread over time (7)
STAGGER – double def
20 False regret follows quest, commonly (6)
UNTRUE – RUE [regret] follows ‘UNT [quest, “commonly”]
22 Female care is left to the top nurses (5)
ELSIE – hidden reversed in {car}E IS LE{ft}
24 Mistake to leave without finishing (4)
GOOF – GO OF{f} [to leave, “without finishing”]

55 comments on “Times 26,795: Bar Flies”

  1. OK, so in the New Era I’m O for 2, as they say on your side of the Pond, v.

    After about 20 minutes I was missing BOILEAU, LIEBIG, BANKRUPT and PERAK. And it stayed that way. All very fair, and very clever. Just too much for me. Congrats to anyone who finished it.

    Totally agree with the Gramercy Posse — 7d INBOUND is a terrific clue

    Edited at 2017-08-04 06:52 am (UTC)

  2. Over half an hour, embracing the spirit of the new world and solving on an iPad, which I would like to say added a good 15 minutes to the time.

    But as that would be a complete and utter lie, I won’t.

    Suffice to say when I checked the stats before solving and saw Verlaine on the leaderboard at 21 minutes I nearly gave up and ran away.

    Somehow 31 minutes still leaves me 6th at this stage. Biggest holdups were the unknown BOILEAU and the chemist, although the biblical reference went straight in.

    I still prefer the treeware solve I think, back to printing next week

  3. Had the same blanks as Sotira (BOILEAU, LIEBIG, PERAK, BANKRUPT) plus MARK TIME, and had the same unparsed as Jack (NEAR THING, STAGGER). Thanks for sorting it all out, V…

  4. Pleased to finish this in under 30 just, with the unknowns Boileau,Liebig and Perak going in on a what else basis. Jack, to reiterate my comments yesterday for those like us who print and solve the new print format is awful and the problem should be addressed. Your resentment is more than justified. Come on you keypad solvers your support please we all pay the the same. I am 2 down in the concise today.
  5. Murderous: finishing in 46 minutes looks like an achievement. I’m only embarrassed at not getting BAPTISM straight off: for the rest I bow to the setter’s deviousness, such as hiding the UK in plain sight.
    PERAK is probably familiar to those who live there, but if Ross and Cromarty is regarded as a bit obscure, then this state’s practically opaque.
    BOILEAU is terribly clever, but it’s not often a poet is referred to as an author, which he had to be to make the clue work. I’m tempted to call “foul” on that basis. A not-well-known poet not clued as such belongs in the late lamented TLS, and even then might get a tut.
    Still, at least the new site’s working now.
  6. 55 mins (and threw in the towel) having enjoyed a delicious, big, all butter, Waitrose croissant. Lime marmalade (Wilkin & Sons, Tiptree). Lavazza coffee.
    The crossword was a different affair. Very tricky, but clever. However the NW was beyond me: the combo of Liebig, Boileau, and even Subaqua were never going in.
    Oh well – it is Friday. Thanks setter and V.

    Edited at 2017-08-04 07:54 am (UTC)

  7. I needed assistance with the unknown BOILEAU and PERAK but otherwise was rather pleased to get as near to finishing unaided as I did, as at one time it had seemed a very unlikely outcome. LIEBIG was also unknown but I got him from wordplay and put faith in that. I never did manage to parse {u}NEARTHING, AIDA or STAGGER which I assumed was S{t}AGGER with ‘sagger’ somehow meaning ‘spread’.

    I’ve got round my eyesight problems by copying-and-pasting the grid and clues (separately) into Word, and enlarging and printing from there, but I still resent having to do so!

    Edited at 2017-08-04 06:58 am (UTC)

    1. I also went with your parsing of 19D (S{t}AGGER), Jack, in the hope that “sagger’ might be a slang term for someone who’d allowed their middle-age spread to get out of hand. If the word doesn’t exist, I think it ought to! Thanks to V for the clever and right answer.
    2. I couldn’t be bothered to cut and paste so ended up with a magnifying glass. Like you, I resent having to do so. Incidentally, if they printed the puzzle with the “down” clues under the “across” clues we could enlarge it with the print program without losing stuff off the right hand margin. Just a thought. Ann
  8. The operator does require a soluble function and this crossword didn’t provide one. An exclusion principle seemed to prevent all answers to 11a and 2d, 6d. Also I never saw SUBAQUA, even though I was drowning. I eventually googled to see if PERAK existed. DNK BOILEAU or LIEBIG, admittedly a wonderful name for a scientist in search of funds. SCHRÖDINGER FOI as I read through. THESSALONIANS and PHILANDERER also in early. Let’s hope in the Test that Vernon bowls with hesitation from the James Anderson end. Some great clues among the impossible, FIG TREE and COD INBOUND among them. Abandoned at 50 minutes with three missing. Thank you V and your New York cohort. You’re too bright for me, Setter so a special thank you to you.

    Edited at 2017-08-04 08:41 am (UTC)

  9. Struggled along, had the lower half all done in 20 minutes, got stuck, then got 1a ending in A, and things moved on again. Ended with all done except PERAK which had to be looked up. About an hour distracted by grandchildren and kids TV blaring. Great puzzle I thought. Too many good clues to single one out. Nice to see the ‘cat man’ making an appearance.
    1. I think it is the noun – meaning a ‘reserve’ of money, people, assets. Car pool, typing pool, a kitty. But it is a stretch.
  10. A glut of excellent clues in this one, e.g. 11A, 1D, 3D, 6D, etc, in particular for lovers of a good surface reading. I took the second definition in 10A to be in relation to war decorations, e.g. a DSO and bar means that you were awarded the DSO twice.
    1. Aha! That BAR explanation sounds extremely plausible and I would literally never have thought of it. Thank you!
  11. As tough as any I can remember and certainly too good for me. I did at least get PERAK – my mother worked in an office that corresponded regularly with the Far East, so my boyhood stamp album was particularly strong on the Malay states. A small consolation but it’s a day for taking them where you can.
  12. I like these GK-biased ones: some of the answers I can dredge up from the murky depths of my schoolboy learning half a century ago and others (LIEBIG, PERAK) have to be constructed from the cluing, but I like the extra dimension this adds to the solving. BTW, since people are having a bit of a grump about some of the cluing being a bit stretched, shouldn’t it be SCHROEDINGER — with the ‘E’ for the umlaut? I think the -ROD- version is barely acceptable as a spelling of the German physicist’s name. BOILEAU was great clue! and I remembered him from past studies! ‘Pool’ = ‘reserve”: definitely, no issue there. Excellent clues today: really hard but smooth surfaces and neatly executed distractors. Loved it.
  13. Recently had Euler and now Scrodinger. My mathematics background certainly helping and I had the bottom half of the puzzle in a jiffy. But my background didn’t help with the chemist or author and a DNF in the NW. But that’s a fair Friday. Watching the cricket and I note Vernon Philanderer isn’t playing for the Sarf Afrikaans. And what happened to that poor cat? Thanks Slogger
      1. Hi BW. I’ve just opened the box (in a parallel universe of course) and found the cat doing The Times crossword. She was stuck on 26a.
  14. Stonkingly difficult, but rewarding, puzzle. Even though I had to resort to Crossword Solvers, dictionaries and other aids, I felt quite chuffed to finish up with a correct version, albeit after an hour and a half, and without being able to parse AIDA or STAGGER correctly. Glad to see that I was in the good company of V and his American mates in trying to make “pate” part of the answer to 6D. My version of their PARTE was PATEK, which I tried to convince myself was some minor Asian state.

    Thank heavens that the setter balanced Boileau (not a name that springs readily to mind even if you read French at university, as I did) with Liebig and Schrodinger or we would have had the Sage of Dorset fulminating about obscure literary references.

  15. Is anyone else unable to access the crossword in the Club? All I’m getting is ‘thinking’ when I try to open a crossword. I eventually had to open it in the main Times site.
    A game of 2 halves, methinks, the south went in fairly rapidly, but the north proved impossible for me, without my Crossword Puzzle Help
    1. I get the same thing on my laptop. It works on my iPad.
      [I’m going to keep saying this at every opportunity because I know we’re not alone and it seems like a particularly egregious ‘teething problem’.]
  16. New York legend has it that O. Henry wrote his short stories in a booth at Pete’s Tavern. If that’s true, his ghost probably appreciated the somewhat surprising and unexpected PERAK, BOILEAU, and LIEBIG at the end of this solve. Full disclosure regarding the team effort: I remember making exactly zero contribution to the solution (negative if you count my insistence that the religious texts absolutely had to begin with THEO…), with RedGoriya and Guy du Sable each making a good handful plus also seeing several of the more difficult parsings.
    We were sorry on two counts: first that the SNITCH hasn’t figured out the new format, because today’s puzzle would make particularly interesting input for the Friday data set; and second that the be-kind-to-the-sleeping-neighbours policy at Pete’s meant last-call for outside tables was at 11.
    Now that the New York team has practiced on Verlaine we think we know how to entertain visitors. You can test this by letting us know when you come to town.

    (And a final note: I ran this through the spell check before posting – LiveJournal does not believe that Boileau, Perak, or Liebig are real words.)

    Edited at 2017-08-04 11:50 am (UTC)

  17. Went to aids and submitted off leaderboard after an hour, having neither the French or the German bloke or the clever BANKRUPT. Fortunately, my GK extended to Perak – though I’ve never knowingly been there, I’ve travelled to many places in the vicinity, including Penang.

    I suppose I was the only person who thought first of “bollocking” at 5 down?

    What a week! The migration, a TLS-lite, and now a non-Jumbo GK Jumbo. Whatever will they think of next?

    Edited at 2017-08-04 10:55 am (UTC)

  18. Really the first to point out that BAR is a decoration in the heroic sense? DSO with bar, for instance. Hard work today, not helped by not knowing Boileau or Liebig.
    1. Cheers! At least I flagged up my cluelessness with the title of this blog. Now corrected.
  19. Like janie, one hour then stopped, BOILEAU, LIEBIG, PERAK well beyond me. Having read the blog, glad I didn’t persevere. Thanks v for the blog! For more endless fun, put a kitten in a cardboard box and tape it up. Thanks setter too. Incidentally have been trying to post for a couple of hours, livejournal playing up.
    1. I hope you haven’t been “trying to post” your kitten in a cardboard box to Perak for a few hours!
  20. My free access has finished… so be it. In the old days I was a paying member of crossword club, and could choose random old puzzles (since the beginning of time) to download and solve. Which I enjoyed.
    Is that still the case with the new site – before I sign up and find it isn’t the case?
    Today – too hard. Entire NW corner. Couldn’t see SUPPLY, or AID as hand, never heard of Liebig, refuse to believe there’s any such thing as subaqua sports. Thought immediately of BOILEAU, but it just doesn’t sound like a real french name in the same way that rousseau, moreau, prdeaux, thoreaux, etc etc do.
    If I was horryd I’d be grumpy.
  21. 34:36. For one reason or another this was only the second daily cryptic I’ve had a go at in the last 3+ weeks (I did a few Jumbi on holiday) so I may have gotten rusty but this did seem difficult. I decided that unknowns Perak and Boileau were probably OK based on the wordplay, but Liebig felt like a bit of a punt.
  22. Could have been a brilliant crossword if the setter had spent a few seconds thinking about the solvers. LEIBIG and BOILEAU as crossers for example?
  23. DNF today because I couldn’t see 1a (literally and figuratively) and that messed up the NE corner. Not helped by the fact that I’ve never heard of BOILEAU or LIEBIG. Vague time because the plumber called to fix a drip when I was about half hour in. I gave up after about 50 minutes with 4 clues unsolved. Difficult but fun while it lasted. Would have been even more fun if I hadn’t had to resort to a magnifying glass! Ann
  24. Ouch! This took me half an hour, with the top half much, much harder than the bottom. I didn’t know PERAK but I did know both BOILEAU and LIEBIG. It doesn’t seem to have helped much: the difficulty in this puzzle stemmed much more from some devilishly cunning clueing.
    Great stuff, and 7dn is wonderful.
    1. Um, take it from me, it helped a lot, knowing these crossing obscurities. ‘Liekey’, anyone?
      1. ‘Obscurities’? Hardly. They can’t be, because I learned about them at school. After all this argument seems to apply to all Latin and Greek I’ve had to learn over the years…
  25. These days a total fail at the crossword is a relative rarity for me, but today I was routed. It would be easier to describe what I actually got rather than what I couldn’t, which I must admit, was most of this. A real comeuppance for me. Congrats to those who got through it. Regards.
  26. This was a rollercoaster that, sadly, eventually crashed. I made hard work of the whole thing after FOI 12a, nearly coming close to throwing in the towel. I only rallied when I finally put in SCHRODINGER. At the end of my hour this morning I was down to the last three.

    Sadly another twenty minutes this evening didn’t yield anything. At least it was nice to find when I came here that my troublesome triple of 2d, 11a and 6d (where I’d fixated on “K” being the king; not helpful) had also caused some of our most experienced crew some problems too, and that I wasn’t just being dozy.

    All three were entirely unknown to me. I have actually got LIEBIG written down in the margin of the puzzle, so there’s that, but it didn’t help with the author as I was thinking of brewing beer rather than brewing tea, and even if I’d thought of brewing tea I doubt I’d have got *there*… Goodness.

    Still, got the rest right, and generally knew why. Knew BAR as a second medal from Blackadder, of all places—the head of the flying corps in series 4 is “Air Chief Marshall Sir Hugh Massingburg-Massingburg, VC, DFC and bar.”

  27. Another former stamp collector here so PERAK leapt out but I had the same K-fixation as Matt which meant it didn’t parse. Only saw it when BANKRUPT went in. Defeated by BOILEAU and LIEBIG, even after twigging that I’d put SUPPPY in 1d, and resorted to aids. Who knows, I may have come in under the hour had I persevered. Checked a dim memory on Google to confirm that the tea brewed in 2d may once have been supplied by Brooke Bond Liebig.
  28. Don’t normally comment but have to agree with all that this is an awesome puzzle. Luckily knew my Liebig condenser and Shroedingers wave equation but couldn’t get bankrupt. Hey ho
  29. Got there though couldn’t really believe in a liebig. Don’t suppose anyone
    agrees with me that Schrodinger’s cat is not 100% dead and 100% alive; it’s no different from anything else that we don’t know about because we have no access to knowledge about it. Maybe the cat does.
  30. Phew! I’m very pleased to find that I hadn’t fried my brain on the golf course before attempting this puzzle. It really was a beast! After an hour I’d completed all except the NW corner, with SUBAQUA, LIEBIG, BOILEAU, QUALIFIES and AIDA missing. I had thought of AIDA but couldn’t parse it. I had to use aids for LIEBIG(already had LIE), SUBAQUA(was nowhere near a quad bike!), BOILEAU(already had EAU) and AIDA, then saw QUALIFIES once I had the checkers. 1:09:18 altogether. Thanks setter and The V-Team.
  31. 30 min, but could not to submit to club, as new version has become obsessed with tablets or smartphones and insists that I rotate my device to portrait format before it will open any puzzles, and there seems to be no way to tell it that I’m using a desktop machine. (I did try logging in on my tablet, but the club didn’t recognise me as an existing member either under the ID I use here or the one on the old version.)
    PERAK was my first of the downs (from my old stamp collection), but I’d completed the whole bottom half before getting anything else up top, apart from a tentative AIDA, which I couldn’t parse convincingly, so thanks for explanation.
    1. Hi Phantom. The “rotate to portrait” annoyance seems to occur when your browser zoom level is set too high. In Firefox, for instance, if I set my zoom to 110% I get that message. Works best for me at about 90%.

      Edited at 2017-08-04 11:25 pm (UTC)

      1. Thanks – 90% zoom does it for me on Chrome – that reminds me I needed that on the old site too
  32. A moral victory….or to put it another way DNF. Completed but with one error – Lievip. Solving time – three sessions / off the scale. Most of the bottom half went in ok but real trouble in the top half. Can’t believe that even with a “q” checker up front it took me so long to see “qualifier” after “quarterfinalist” yesterday. Knew Boileau, entered Perak from wordplay, bankrupt took ages to see. FOI 9ac. LOI Lievip – I had written down Liebig, Lieric (perhaps “rich” was importance and so considerable importance could be “ric”) and Lievip (I discounted Liewig). I thought Lieric sounded most likely but that Lievip most fitted the wordplay so went for that – it certainly couldn’t have been Liebig – or so I wrongly thought. Led down lots of garden paths in this one. Stand out COD for me was the brilliant 7dn. Thank you blogger. Chapeau setter.
  33. Convinced I’ve already written this comment once already. Anyway, bar is a decoration in the military sense, as in MC and Bar. Otherwise this was tough, I thought, with a couple of unknown people to thicken the stew.
  34. Hmmm…same here, dipped in and out on my commute for a few days but was beaten by PEREK, LIEBIG and BOILEAU. Have recollections of Liebig from school, but that was a long time ago! Liebig condenser rings a bell?

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