Times 26,411: A Glittering Display

A second night in a row solving after an evening out on the sauce – well, now that the nice weather is back, drinking in beer gardens is kind of the law – but my less *obviously* impaired time of 6m39 may suggest that the long bus ride home from Penge had a sobering effect.

I though this was a splendid puzzle, and my enthusiasm for it redoubled during the parsing. I like a bit of setter braggadocio, the like of which we see at 28ac; of course it’s a risky play, as the puzzle does then need to be above average, but I think this one was top-notch. The excellent clues start at 1ac and just keep on coming. Interestingly from the solving perspective, I got the usual handful of the across on the first pass, but then was really off to the races on the downs, which seemed easier and less pyrotechnic. With hindsight I kind of wish I’d attempted the whole thing backwards, a la Ginger Rogers.

LOIs were the 27ac/22dn crossing pair, the former of which held me up for quite a lot of valuable seconds towards the end, the latter becoming obvious once I had the final letter. My COD, amidst many spectacular clues, is I think just the completely smooth and slightly naughty surface of 16dn. I’d better sign off here as I believe I have an outstanding TLS puzzle to blog and thus plenty to be getting on with, but I promise it’ll be with you within 24 hours. Round of applause to today’s setter and see you again soon!

Across

1 Confounded components of translation of Donne’s? (10)
NONPLUSSED NON PLUS SED = NON + SED = components of (DONNE’S*) [“translation of”]. Unusual and clever!
6 Boat lower after losing stern (4)
SCOW SCOW{l} [lower, “after losing stern”]
10 Performed in opera having declined a wine (7)
SANGRIA – SANG {a}RIA [performed in opera “having declined a”]
11 Marx talking about object of whaling industry? (7)
HARPOON – HARPO ON [Marx | talking about]
12 Backed great time involving rugby, though not initially where play occurs (9)
LLAREGGUB (the setting of Dylan Thomas’s Under Milk Wood) – reverse of BALL [great time] involving {r}UGGER [rugby, “though not initially”]
13 Very rapid activity mostly constraining one computer problem (5)
VIRUS – V RUS{h} [very | rapid activity “mostly”] constraining I [one]
14 Make complaint, being exhausted, having circled lake (5)
BLEAT – BEAT [exhausted], having circled L [lake]
15 Online clothing store perhaps recalled accepting thanks in reply (9)
RETALIATE – reverse of E-TAILER [online clothing store perhaps “recalled”] accepting TA [thanks]
17 There’s a surprise! A half back is on target (4-5)
WELL-AIMED – WELL [there’s a surprise!] + A + reverse of DEMI [half “back”]
20 One fanatic seizing power supply (5)
INPUT– I NUT [one | fanatic] seizing P [power]
21 Get rid of shifty person hogging Times page (5)
EXPEL – EEL [shifty person] hogging X P [times | page]
23 Be inclined to follow slow sort of schedule (9)
CHECKLIST – LIST [be inclined] to follow CHECK [slow]
25 Popular female visiting France no longer productive (7)
GAINFUL – IN F [popular | female] visiting GAUL [France no longer]
26 Bone from bird included in total (7)
STERNUM – TERN [bird] included in SUM [total]
27 Be dilettantish, turning out books in depression (4)
DALE DA{bb}LE [be dilettantish, “turning out books”]
28 I control series of clues with a glittering display (10)
IRIDESCENT I RIDE SCENT [I | control | series of clues]

Down

1 Rocket builders taking line regarding the nose (5)
NASAL – N.A.S.A. [rocket builders] taking L [line]
2 Plain one should make shift to welcome in Queen without peers (9)
NONPAREIL – (PLAIN ONE*) [“should make shift”] to welcome in R [Queen]
3 Extravagant circulation claim by another old American magazine? (6,4,4)
LARGER THAN LIFE – Life being one American magazine, another might claim their circulation is larger than Life. Just about.
4 Surprise when male clothing excludes article (7)
STAGGER – STAG GE{a}R [male | clothing “excludes article”]
5 Depart clutching sort of pencil after taking in one show (7)
EXHIBIT EXIT [depart] clutching HB [sort of pencil] after taking in I [one]
7 People in church half-peeping round front of organ (5)
CHOIR – CHIR{ping} [“half” peeping] round O{rgan}
8 Expressed unhappiness after snakes affected by gale (9)
WINDSWEPT – WEPT [expressed unhappiness] after WINDS [snakes]
9 Discomfort from motion and flapping of valences and skirts (6,8)
TRAVEL SICKNESS – (VALENCES + SKIRTS*) [“flapping”]
14 Asked to adopt bird with deformed limbs? (3-6)
BOW-LEGGED – BEGGED [asked] to adopt OWL [bird]
16 Scotsman caught hacking into fruit machine? (9)
APPLIANCE – IAN C [Scotsman | caught] hacking into APPLE [fruit]
18 Wild alarm about copper affected by spots (7)
MACULAR – (ALARM*) [“wild”] about CU [copper]
19 Mostly sweet daughter twirling in clothes (7)
DRESSED – reverse [“twirling”] of DESSER{t} D [“mostly” sweet | daughter]
22 Source of medicine mostly a success in China (5)
PHIAL – HI{t} [“mostly” a success] in PAL [china]
24 Satisfied to pick up point in draw (5)
TEMPT – reverse of MET [satisfied “to pick up”] + PT [point]

59 comments on “Times 26,411: A Glittering Display”

  1. Too tricky for me, got massively stuck in top left today… Couldn’t get the unknown LLAREGGUB at all (but was nearly there, at one point I had in ‘luggerlab’). Also had blanks at NONPAREIL (Queen is so often ER, not just R) or NONPLUSSED (wordplay far too clever for me). Also most of LARGER THAN LIFE was left blank. Not sure that one works for me.

    Not come across scowl=lower. I thought it was something to do with lower=cow, so clearly couldn’t make it work at all.

    Thanks as ever, V, great blog.

  2. I suspect that E-tailer is ok. But I am in complete agreement with jackkt on 12ac and 27ac. I also found the the jump from peeping to chirping well beyond my grasp. I really don’t like crosswords where the majority are very easy so you fly through and then there is something so obscure that it seems out of place. Not very consistent. But I see others loved it, so what do I know?
  3. Totally agree with about 12ac and this gave me a DNF but I really should have come up with ‘rugger’ but couldn’t get beyond RU so ‘not initially’ was meaningless. Other than that a splendid offering which I thoroughly enjoyed. Too many good ones to single out a COD.
  4. Raced through for fifteen minutes, including the excellent LLAREGGUB, which I thought was reasonably well known. Failed to parse correctly 19d, so had DRESSES not DRESSED, hence unable to get IRIDESCENT. Some super clues though, thanks, 31’dnf.
    1. Mm, I know some people do get pretty steamed about literary/foreign words that are not mitigated by extremely transparent wordplay, and LLAREGGUB is both literary AND foreign, but on the other hand, if you don’t know Under Milk Wood, you should get out there and acquaint yourself with it immediately, it’s bloody fantastic! Welsh (after a very tenuous fashion) pride!
  5. In what world is “tailor” spelt with an “E”?

    I’m not as impressed with this as our blogger. 12ac is impossible unless you happen to know it and anyway I’d have thought an inventive setter could have come up with something far more entertaining and less impenetrable for an answer that’s the reverse of bugger all.

    If one first thinks (as I did) of DELL as the answer at 27ac it’s a long road back.

    Edited at 2016-05-13 07:44 am (UTC)

    1. I don’t think it’s anything to do with tailoring, just an “e-tailer” as in an electronic retailer. Which does make the mention of “clothing” a bit naughty admittedly as it’s a bit of a blind alley.

      Yeah, perhaps I was fortunate to know and love Under Milk Wood as well as I do, and have the luxury of being able to biff it in confidently and actually parse it post-submission…

      1. Okay, so I missed that aspect of the clue but I’m still not impressed with “clothing”. Any setter can bung in irrelevant words to mislead solvers, but in my view it’s only possibly justified when it adds an extra frisson to a good and natural surface reading, but in this clue it doesn’t as the surface reading is still poor, with or without it.
        1. I agree. My requirements for a great crossword are 1) witty 2) concise 3) gettable. I recently praised a crossword with 17 single line clues. This crossword only needed 2 more words for the across clues to go onto a second column. Verbose in the extreme. So why put in the superfluous “clothing”?
          The welsh answer is a marmite clue, in my opinion. You are either in the Smug or Mugs camp – sadly I am in the latter. As an average punter, it failed my 3 tests.
  6. 13:30 … I’m in the “thought it was brilliant” camp, with NONPLUSSED especially tickling my fancy. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect wordplay enthusiasts to know LLAREGGUB — it’s a pretty famous example of it.

    I loved the vocab selection in the grid. There’s an impenetrable poem in there somewhere.

    Thanks for the blog, Verlaine. “Long Bus Ride Home from Penge” is surely an album title.

    Edited at 2016-05-13 09:38 am (UTC)

    1. I believe “Long Bus Ride Home from Penge” was the original title of a Eugene O’Neill drama, before his editor put his foot down.
  7. My only issue with Dylan’s famous (if rather backward village) was that I couldn’t remember whether it penultimated with a U or a Y. Needed to fully understand the WP to be confident. Loved the play at 1ac: my sort of quirky clue. On the enthusiastic side overall, taking aound 22 minutes (if memory serves).

  8. Chambers has E-TAILER so fair game. This one stretched to just over 30 minutes with the RHS going in almost before I had a single LHS one although I know LLAREGGUB, as Mrs BT says (backwards). Some nice clueing but many nevertheless put in unparsed so thanks V.
  9. … for far too long. Only when I biffed it in did I spot LARGER THAN LIFE. I’d cracked LLAREGGUB with an early L amd B and remembering our esteemed English master Peg Leg Wakefield explaining its derivation to a sniggering class at school in about 1959. Doubted RETAILER for too long for the same reason as others. But finished eventually in about 45 minutes without parsing NONPLUSSED
  10. A little on the easy side for top-notch but not far off. AT 15ac I wondered about “tailer” until I realised the clothing bit was there only to confuse. DRESSED last in after finally seeing the definition. Liked NONPLUSSED best.
    1. An interesting topic for discussion: whether difficulty level is a contributing factor to crosswordy goodness. My gut feeling is that if the surfaces were perfect and the wordplay inventive and witty it wouldn’t matter at all if it wasn’t that hard. On the other hand it might be the case that it’s too many obvious/hackneyed elements that lead to a puzzle being too easy.
      1. My personal defining characteristic of a crossword is wittiness. If the setter is clever and the surfaces are good, I’m a happy bunny regardless of how long it takes.
        But I think there are many who do prefer them easy. And nothing “obscure,” where obscure means you need to have paid attention in school, or actually read something, or remembered a word for several years once it’s come up …
      2. Mine is a somewhat imprecise criterion of goodness. I most enjoy those where around mid-puzzle I think “I’m never going to finish this” but then confound myself by doing so.
      3. Not that I can but I would actively not want to finish a crossword in 5 minutes. To me, there is a certain pleasure in appreciating the setter’s art with a few PDMs, although I would always expect to finish within 25-30 minutes. So does the dog, who does not get his first walk of the day until I have finished.
        1. If there was only one crossword to do a day I’d surely agree, but in the worst case scenario that you finish one sooner than your spare time runs out… you can always do a few more!
          1. Sadly not . Any available extra time is devoted to Sudokus, or on Saturdays, the dreaded Killer Sudoku (advertised at 55 minutes and not far off)
  11. Only a smidgen over 3Vs for me (21 minutes) so I obviously enjoyed it. Like the great man, I also finished with PHIAL followed by DELL (which I thought was very good). Maybe all that channelling of him a few weeks ago really has paid off. I even listened to something vaguely modern while solving today (film themes) before listening to a couple of versions of Vivaldi’s Nisi Dominus.

    There is a racehorse in Hong Kong (owned by a local Chinese fellow) called Packing Llaregyb. I don’t know if the spelling change was forced on him by the stewards of the Jockey Club. Wouldn’t surprise me – they get very touchy about that sort of thing.

    Incidentally, since LIFE has been defunct as a magazine for some time, the ‘old’ in the clue makes it function okay, even if it’s still rather clunky.

  12. A toughie today but, I agree, a goodie. I took a while to get properly started, then finished with 12ac after 15m 35s. To add my views to the debate on that one, I didn’t know – or had forgotten – the name, but got it from the wordplay after a bit of thinking. Nothing unfair there, I think (unlike the spate of recent clues where obscure foreign words have been clued as anagrams).

    COD was 1ac for me.

  13. “To begin at the beginning…”
    – After yesterday’s quickie I thought today’s would be decidedly harder, but 22 minutes was all it needed. In retrospect I think I should have slowed down and savoured the clues more. I share Verlaine’s enthusiasm. There are some lovely surfaces and the wordplay to 1a is wonderfully inventive.

    Perhaps I was helped by my intimate knowledge of Dylan Thomas’s masterpiece, but 12 was very fairly clued.

    If you are not familiar with the work listen to Richard Burton’s mellifluous delivery on the original BBC recording.

  14. In the top notch category for me, although ended with DELL instead of dale at 27a. Also an UMW fan , I listen to an mp3 of the BBC Richard Burton version in the car frequently. 22 minutes.
  15. I think quite difficult is ideal, I feel disappointed it’s over so soon if it’s easy, even if it’s well clued. My first priority is pleasure not speed. Perhaps that’s a being retired thing.
    1. I like a mixture. Difficult ones are more enjoyable, but easy ones are good for the ego.
      1. I think the “original witty and inventive” wordplay so many of us love in and of itself will very likely make a puzzle harder than one full of chestnuts especially if it has a bunch of well-concealed definitions which are likely to provide delicious PDMs. So we’d like a puzzle because it’s great, not because it’s hard even though hard it may be.

        If a puzzle hard because it’s full of “stupid” words then we might find it less enjoyable than an easy one.

        1. Fair point. Impenetrable clues for terms like ELDER BRETHREN are no fun at all.
  16. 8m. I can’t quite share our blogger’s enthusiasm for this one, just because so much of it was biffed without a second thought so I didn’t really admire the scenery as I went. I can’t really blame that on the setter though.
    Count me as another Under Milk Wood fan. LLAREGGUB is unforgettable if, like me, you first come across it at a young enough age for it to generate a frisson of naughtiness. And anyone who hasn’t heard Richard Burton reading it should do so forthwith.
  17. Zoomed through this up until LLAREGGUB and got most of it together from wordplay but was still kind of weirded out by how it looked so I googled it. Will file away somewhere next to EREHWON for future reference.
  18. 59:18. I rattled through most of this quickly but had to come back several times to look at the blanks I had for IRIDESCENT, TEMPT and LLAREGGUB. The latter I found very difficult, particularly as I thought ‘Backed great’ indicated it was going to end in GIB. Having finally sorted it out I’d say I thought it a fair clue. And I’ve just got the joke!
  19. Back to a 3V time today. No problem with “llareggub” which I knew without ever having read UMW. Like V, I ended in the SW with the “dale”/”phial” crossers with the latter being my LOI.
  20. 16:25 for a puzzle I enjoyed but wouldn’t put on a pedestal. I didn’t mind Llareggub because a) I know it and b) it’s not an anagram (although my first stab did have 2 Rs and one G which made larger than l my STLOI). On the subject of Llaregyb it appears that many early print editions of the play rendered the place name thus to avoid offence.

    As well as the “clothing store” misdirection how about “Marx talking”?

    V, what happened to your survey on degree subjects?

    1. I forgot about it at actual time of posting and then felt too embarrassed to go back and edit! Maybe next week?

      Ha ha, yes, I like “Marx talking” in apposition to the least talky Marx ever! Presumably Llaregyb is the Welsh spelling and Llareggub the English, in the manner of my own hometown of Fflint/Flint.

      Edited at 2016-05-13 02:33 pm (UTC)

    2. Welsh pronounces the u as y, so that’s another factor to add to the orthological question.
  21. I have lived near Penge for many years and readers may be interested to know that it has two railway stations -East and West.
    It is also served by the 176 bus .
    Despite a slightly dodgy reputation, house prices there are rising quickly.
    I did not do this crossword but today’s QC is very enjoyable. David
    1. Anyone with important information regarding Penge is in no way required to have solved, or even attempted, the crossword. And yes, I was surprised to learn that it had even one railway station, let alone two. Goodness! Thank you.
      1. Penge was of course the scene of Rumpole’s finest case The Penge Bungalow Murders, which I think was also John Mortimer’s final Rumpole’s book
        1. I missed out completely on Rumpole, TV series and books, but can now that this was my loss. What a great title!
          1. Sotira, you certainly missed out big time if you never saw Leo McKern acting the role but it is available. Apparently McKern moved back to Australia to avoid being typecast in the role but to no avail. He was inveigled back.
            1. I shall try to find a DVD or whatever to try at some point. Thanks, Tony.
  22. 16 mins, the last 4 of which were spent on LLAREGGUB. It was only after I realised the definition could refer to the name of a place where a play is set rather than the name of a theatre that I remembered UMW and the reversed “bugger all”, and I was then able to see the wordplay too. I agree that for solvers who don’t know UMW the clue could seem near impenetrable.

    In the SW I didn’t have a problem with PHIAL but I spent a while trying to justify either “dell” or DALE, and I was very glad when the “da(bb)le” penny finally dropped.

    Oh, and I confess that NONPLUSSED was totally biffed. In retrospect I should have seen how it worked, but the answer was so obvious I didn’t spend too much time trying to work it out.

  23. Nice puzzle. I actually knew LLAREGUB as the setting of UMW, but hesitated because I wasn’t sure it was characterized as a play as opposed to a novel or something else. But it eventually went in since nothing else could really fit. I never parsed NONPLUSSED either, same comment as Andy. LOI’s were DALE and PHIAL. We don’t spell the latter that way. Regards to all, and thanks for the blog Verlaine. If I blogged at all, and in the state you describe, there would be a lot more typ[os. Like that one, which was in fact unintentional. Best to all.
  24. … and wordplay. I thought today’s was a wonderful puzzle with the exception of 12a. I have no problem with unknown words (which only serve to remind me of my own shortcomings) as long as they are reasonable gettable from the wordplay. Whilst I came up with the correct sequence of letters from wordplay I almost immediately discounted it on the basis it made not the slightest bit of sense (never having read UMW, another of my shortcomings). Would the clue have been diluted by the addition of ‘in Wales’ at the end? The rugby themed surface would in no way be harmed, possibly even enhanced. Those who knew the answer would still know it. Those who didn’t, however, would have the necessary steer towards a possible Welsh language connection and be more inclined to trust the wordplay. B****rall else wrong with the puzzle though!
    Great blog V, 9 1/2 out or 10 to the setter.
    GeoffH
  25. To my surprise I managed to complete this correctly despite being stuck in the NW for a good 20 minutes, giving me just over the hour for the whole thing. I saw the anagram of DONNES in 1ac but didn’t complete the parsing and biffed from definition. Missed the ARIA bit of 10ac and wondered how RI = declined. No trouble with E-tailer or IRIDESCENT, but struggled for some time with the Welsh village. Spotting “ball” reversed, together with the rugby connection guided me towards Llanelli, but the B at the end precluded that, and I eventually saw the reversed (R)UGGER) and assembled it correctly, totally missing the Bugger All joke, and not knowing UMW apart from the fact that it was written by DT and set in Wales. Didn’t know the required meaning of SCOWL and came at it from the “Moo” angle with a shrug. A fun puzzle on the whole. Thanks setter, and of course V for the parsing I missed.
  26. 16:20 for me, feeling desperately tired after a busy day.

    Although I was perfectly well aware of the ultimate derivation of the name of village setting of Under Milk Wood, in my 1964 paperback copy of the play (and, as far as I can recall, all other versions where I’ve seen it printed) it’s spelled “Llaregyb”. I then got myself into a knot imagining that “great” was BIG reversed giving the ending “gib”.

    And as a further illustration of how tired I was (am!), I couldn’t for the life of me come up with “dabble” for 27ac but kept bumbling round non-words like “dantle” and “dotell” (or “do tell”).

    Apart from the unnecessary (and slightly annoying) “clothing … perhaps” in 15ac, I agree that this was a very fine puzzle.

    1. That’s interesting: I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen it spelled any way other than Llareggub. I can’t find my copy but it must have been printed in the 80s.
  27. Were I in a better mood, I would probably be only mildly irritated by the “clothing” in 15ac. In fact, had I actually solved it I would probably scarcely be irritated at all. However, since I am (a) in a supremely bad mood and (b) a person who failed to get 15ac, I am very irritated. What possible purpose could “clothing” serve, other than to confuse? It is like an important-looking extra bolt in a self-assembly hang-glider.

    In the end, I couldn’t convince myself that the setter had simply mis-spelled “tailor”, and threw up my hands and down my pen.

    And this in a puzzle to which I turned for a little mental recuperation after a trying time! I have been attempting to set up an electronic device which has been designed by malevolent engineers and then built by inept technicians. Since the technical support person (and I use all three of those words quite loosely) was in the US, my attempts to resolve matters extended well into G&T time.

  28. Loved it. Saw the Under Milk Wood reference immediately, but had the same experience as Tony. I’d only seen it written as Llaregyb, which I assume had been bowdlerised for our delicate school-age sensibilities back in the day.

    Thanks setter and V.

  29. This clue provided the perfect ‘aha’ moment (See the academic article). Left with an unlikely series of checkers I put the thing aside, and then shortly after the ‘penny dropped’. So a brilliant clue and certainly not unfair like ‘Tamil Nadu’ -unknown clued by anagram, and ‘Elder Brethren’ – who they ?
    1. I repeat, Tamil Nadu has a population of 70 million people. If that’s an obscurity then God help us.
      On the other hand, I fully agree re Elder Brethren.

      Admittedly this distinction may be largely based on which one I managed to correctly solve!

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