Times 24,540 Begbie meets Kipling

Posted on Categories Daily Cryptic
Solving time 25 minutes

Quite a lively puzzle with a wide range of clue structures that include only one anagram. There’s a levening of general knowledge required but no real obscurities with the possible exception of “quint” that should be familiar to card-playing anoraks. Good to see a mention for Alan Turing, to whom a lot of people owe a great deal.

Across
1 POSTMISTRESS – POST-MI-STRESS; after motorway journey=POST MI;
9 TURIN – TURIN(g); reference the immortal Alan Turing 1912-1954 code breaker extraordinaire;
10 RIDGE-POLE – RID(G)E-POLE;
11 MANDALAY – (a)MANDA-LAY; where Kipling’s road goes to;
12 QUAINT – QU(A)INT – a five card sequence in piquet is a QUINT;
13 COCK-EYED – CO(C-KEY)ED; clubs=C; COED=school;
15 LARVAE – LA(R)VA-E(ndanger);
17 AMERCE – A-MERCE(r);
18 WATERLOO – W(ATE-R-L)OO;
20 TENNER – note=TENNER (ten pounds); sounds like “tenor”;
21 BOOK-REST – B(O-OK)REST; over=O; right=OK; BREST is a French naval base on the coast of Brittany;
24 CONDUCIVE – plot=”connive” then replace “n”=knight by DUC=French nobleman;
25 NIECE – NI-(t)E(a)C(h)E(s); NI=Northern Ireland=province;
26 TRAIN-SPOTTER – T(RAINS-P)OTTER; an anorak is somebody who has a dull and unsociable hobby; Begbie’s father’s question of his son;
 
Down
1 POTOMAC – PO-TO-(CAM reversed);
2 SPRING-CLEANING – SPRING-C(hars)-LEANING;
3 deliberately omitted – if puzzled seek help in the usual manner;
4 SERRATED – SE(R-RAT)ED;
5 RIDE – RID-(hous)E; answer used in 10A;
6 SPECULATE – (“use past clue” without “us”)*;
7 NON-INVOLVEMENT – NON-(INVOLVE(d))-MEN-T(rue); women=NON MEN;
8 GENTLE – GENT-L(ikeabl)E;
14 EXCHEQUER – EX-CHEQUER(s); Chequers is the PM’s official residence at the foot of the Chilterns;
16 BARONESS – BAR-ONE-SS; start to composition=BAR ONE; ship=SS;
17 ATTACK – A-T(T)ACK;
19 OUTWEAR – OUT-WEAR; not allowed=OUT; the Wear is a well known river in Durham;
22 KENDO – hidden (bro)KEN DO(or); Japanese sword fighting;
23 GIGI – GI-GI; 1958 movie starring Leslie Caron with music by Lerner and Loewe;

53 comments on “Times 24,540 Begbie meets Kipling”

  1. Delightful puzzle with some good clues. well blogged sir. never come across Quint before nor amerce bit both solvabel from word play. COD probably Waterloo or Book Rest.

  2. Slow today – undone by baroness and book-rest. Otherwise trudged along at normal speed. Witty cluing.
  3. 3rd day running left with one to get (yes, including Sunday), yesterday CHORD, today AMERCE. COD to the devious BARONESS.
    1. It didn’t occur to me that folk wouldn’t know about Mercers’, perhaps the most famous Livery Company in The City situated in Mercers’ Hall in Ironmonger Lane. One you have that knowledge the clue is a doodle.
      1. Is it that company or just the ordinary word “mercer”: a dealer in textile fabrics, esp. silks, velvets, and other fine materials.
        1. Both. Livery Companies originated when medieval merchants banded together to form guilds. The guilds protected the interests of a particular trade. The records of the Mercers’ Company (formed to protect mercers) date back to 1348 but the Company is certainly older than that according to their website.
          1. Ta for the info. — duly tucked away in my “Ask Jim” files along with masses of other useful stuff. But do you really think we were supposed (by the setter) to know the company name? The thing that sparked off my query was the strange connection between silk and livery. But, no doubt, there is one that you’re about to inform me of!
            1. I think the setter was just thinking about mercer=fabric merchant but Mercers’ is (I thought!) so famous a Livery Company that everybody would know of it. The term “livery” originated in the form of dress worn by merchants and others to denote their status of belonging to a particular trade. When a freeman became a liveryman he was “enclothed” and a Livery Gown was placed on him. So not connected to silk as such – there are (or were) scores of different Livery Companies for a whole variety of trades.
              1. Among the old London livery companies, the Mercers should be the best-known, as they’re at the top of the order of preference as seen here. Next best-known are probably the Skinners and Merchant Taylors who disputed their positions in the order and are supposedly the origin of the phrase “at sixes and sevens”.
                1. > “the form of dress worn by merchants and others”.
                  All I can find for “livery” is:
                  1 special uniform worn by a servant or official.
                  • a special design and colour scheme used on the vehicles, aircraft, or products of a particular company.
                  2 short for livery stable.
                  3 (in the UK) the members of a livery company collectively.
                  4 historical: a provision of food or clothing for servants.
                  Still, I’m happy, as ever, to be corrected.
                  1. You’ve finally got me to look something up rather than rely on memory alone. Chambers (paraphrased) gives “the distinctive dress of especially a trade guild”. It’s definition 1 in your list really because a liveryman was an official member of a Livery Company. Don’t ask me which came first, the Company or the livery as a form of dress!
                    1. Don’t ask the OED either! Their entry says:

                      1. Something assumed or bestowed as a distinguishing feature; a characteristic garb or covering; a distinctive guise, marking, or outward appearance.

                      This sense should probably be regarded as a figurative development of sense 2 [the dress worn by a livery company member], though it is recorded earlier.

  4. 19 minutes flew by today: lovely clues, with 1d providing a compendium of cryptic river favourites. I initially had RIDGE TENT without any discernible reasoning, quickly amended by GENTLE. Loved WATERLOO and CONDUCIVE, and, so as to confirm for everyone what an anorak is, TRAINSPOTTER.
  5. Like others, I found this an excellent puzzle. I didn’t know AMERCE but got there from the wordplay.

    I endorse Jimbo’s comment on Alan Turing who arguably contributed more to victory in WWII than any other individual and was subsequently disgracefully treated. I was pleased to sign the petition for the apology which was issued by the government last year.

    1. There’s no doubt that Turing made a huge contribution and was disgracefully treated. But at least in newspaper accounts of Turing and the crossword-solving codebreakers of Bletchley Park, another group now tend to get too little credit – the Polish Cipher Bureau who passed on much important knowledge just before the beginning of WWII.
      1. Indeed and one shouldn’t forget Leo Marks of the same genre who did so much to protect agents working in occupied territory.
        1. I learnt of Leo Marks originally through his film connections: Carve Her Name with Pride, Peeping Tom, Twisted Nerve and 84 Charing X Road where his family ran a book shop and he had his first encounter with code breaking , working out the pricing system.

          There was a fascinating TV documetary some years ago in which he participated that went into all this and his wartime activities and this encouraged me to read his autobiography Between Silk & Cyanide.

          There was a new TV documentary about the SOE on the History Channel last night of which so far I’ve watched the first hour but his name hasn’t come up yet. He used to set Times cryptics.

          1. I’ve seen information about him before with the statement that he wrote Times crosswords for pocket money as a teenager, and have to admit feeling rather sceptical about it. (For any passing journalists, that’s the effect of lazily repeated stories like the one about the Provost of Eton and the egg.)

            Sadly we know hardly anything about the early days setters other than Adrian Bell and Ronald Carton (the first xwd editor – the information about him in the 75th anniversary book strongly implies that he set puzzles). In the BBC One Show item with Mark Goodliffe a few months ago, there was a tantalising shot of a crossword in an archive copy of the paper, with “Adrian Bell” written next to the puzzle as if the accounts department might have used these copies to calculate payments to setters. If that little guess is right, someone could at least collect their names.

            1. Well he said it himself in the TV documentary and I can’t imagine why he would lie about such a trivial matter considering the importance of his many other other achievements. The particular puzzle he referred to must have been published 1939/40 when he would have been 19/20 because it tied in with the time that he applied and was turned down for work at Bletchley Park and was recruited instead to the SOE.
                1. The book is a good read. A great mix of technical code stuff and extraordinary internal UK politics and international politics between the allies. A great insight into nations supposedly fighting on the same side!
          2. Thanks for the info re Leo Marks’s autobiography – I hadn’t realised there was one, and now it’s next on my list to read. There was a good TV prog on Violette Szabo, in which he of course featured heavily. And a few years ago I met a lady from the FANYS SOE who knew him. But either she was one of the dimmer specimens, or her age was telling, as I knew more about it than she did.
            http://www.64-baker-street.org/organisations/orgs_the_fany.html
            Anyway, looking forward to reading it.
            And thanks to the bloggers btw – I read you every day even if I don’t often have anything to add 🙂
        2. I don’t think anyone mentioned Turing’s other, even greater contribution: his invention of the Turing machine, showing how thinking can be seen as computation, paving the way for the computer and for modern cognitive science, and revolutionizing the philosophy of mind. One hates to think of how much more he might have accomplished if he hadn’t been hounded to an early death.
          I’ve seldom been so grateful to a blog as this time, having solved the puzzle without figuring out WHY e.g. ‘serrated’, ‘Waterloo’, ‘cockeyed’, and–I blush to admit–‘Turin’ were the solutions. If one can call that solving.
  6. I seem to remember a similar clue to AMERCE a while back. I wondered if 6 down was a reference to this, but I can’t trace the original clue.

    Paul S.

    1. Although Google finds Jimbo’s blog reference to it today, minutes after it was posted. Amazing!

      Paul.

  7. Solving time: 7:48

    It’s a shame that piquet is regarded as a game for “card-playing anoraks” – it’s one of the best card games for two.

    Intrigued by the combination of “non-men” in 7D with two uses of an old Times trick at 1A and 16 – using the female form of a word for a person rather than the male one which lazier male solvers might favour.

    Answers written without full wordplay understanding: 10 where I thought R?D?E?O?E would allow no other possibilities – just true, as RIDGE BONE and RIDGE ROPE are in Chambers only. 4, where I relied on the teeth=projecting parts.

    Pedant’s corner: that should be leAvening in the intro – not that errors of omission or addition matter too much in solving – it’s substitutions or wrong orders like “pharoah” that cause real grief.

  8. My trudge never quite led me home, as I failed to get not only BARONESS and BOOK-REST, but also COCK-EYED (got the cock only), SERRATED (entered STRIATED but with no confidence), AMERCE, EXCHEQUER and OUTWEAR. Enjoyed the excellence of the setting, nonetheless.

    Oh, well, there’s always tomorrow, and I’m still basking in the glow of solving Saturday’s toughie!

  9. I completed the bulk of this in 35 minutes and then spent another 20 trying to solve the remaining five: 18, 21c & 24 across and 18 & 19 down. Having finished I can’t see any reason for not getting these sooner apart from spending some time considering PETERLOO at 18ac.

    I managed to understand all the wordplay and got all the references without resort to books apart from not knowing QUINT.

  10. Grr! Defeated by BOOK-REST and AMERCE after about 45 minutes.
    BOOK-REST is particularly brilliant I have to admit. “Novel”, “support” “over” and “right” all sent me in the wrong direction, and with the B unchecked BREST was never going to be easy.
    As for 17, I even thought of mercer but wasn’t sure enough to put it in even though Mercers Hall is about 500 yards from me as I write. Doh!
    BARONESS – brilliant.
    Bravo (through gritted teeth).
  11. 14:02 here, although I was on for well under 10 minutes today after getting three of the long 12/14-letter answers at first glance, then just got stuck on the last 4: BOOK-REST, CONDUCIVE, BARONESS and COCK-EYED. CONDUCIVE was last in, and probably accounted for 3 minutes on its own at the end.
  12. Made a real meal of this, and was held up for ages with COCKEYED, and BOOKREST. But it was an absolutely delightful puzzle. A most reverent nod to Alan Turing. Yes, a most important contributor to the war effort, but went on to be the patron saint of all things computational.
  13. I was happy with qu(een) and 1 no trump fro quint, even though I knew it couldn’t be correct. Amerce was new to me also; I’m just waiting for the return of mulct. I couldn’t get any purchase on the LHS until I saw ATTACK was actually almost a gimme. Some clever clues here: CONDUCIVE (Thankyou Duc de Berry), BARONESS, WATERLOO, BOOK-REST, POTOMAC, POSTMISTRESS to name but a few. Thoroughly enjoyed, except for MANDALAY which always leaves Ian Wallace singing about the road thereto ringing in my ears for several hours. Still, it could have been worse. It could have been Oklahoma.
  14. After a day reading (aloud!) a PhD thesis, this was just what I needed at 7:00am to get the important parts of the brain working. Saw 1ac right off where, I think it has to be said, the “after” is doing double duty as POST and as a signal to put the STRESS at the end. Hence the question-mark? Still, it’s very neat indeed. The rest only sort of fell into place with, as Koro found, the left harder than the right. Last in was SERRATED where S?R?A?E? left several possibilities. R-RAT inside SEED wasn’t the first thing that sprang to mind.
    1. I think the interpretation needed is “tension after motorway journey” as a cryptic def for “post-M1 stress”. Sorry for not noticing that this differs from Jimbo’s version, which I think forces the double duty.
      1. Thanks Peter, I think that’s correct. It comes from writing blogs at unearthly hours of the morning.
      2. 1A … is “after” doing double duty? If so, I don’t like the construction. And what does “journey” have to do with it?
        1. No, “after” is not doing double duty.

          Whole clue: “Office manager showing tension after motorway journey”.

          Office manager: definition
          showing: def/wordplay link
          tension after motorway journey: same thing as “post-M1 stress”

          What does journey have to do with it? Just the fact that journeys are the usual motorway experience – though I guess a weary builder of the road could have had “post-M1 stress” too.

  15. Slow going for me, not helped by drawing a blank at 1ac until near the end. needed help from the dictionary to get AMERCE as well. Didn’t find this as enjoyable as everyone else, unlike saturday’s puzzle which was
    an absolute beauty.
  16. I knew of the word mercer as a dealer in textiles but got transfixed by the notion that 17 acc had, for me, an unknown abbreviation for a Lawyer (silk). I had no notion of the legal definition of the clue. Otherwise an enjoyable medium challenge. About 30 odd mins.
  17. Hi, I’m new to cryptic crosswords and am trawling through clue by clue to learn. Actually got ‘speculate’ today!Please give more info on ‘mania’to complete the clues for today.
    Thanks
    1. Welcome and congratulations on not being scared to ask. The correct answer is MANNA (food for the body and mind) which sounds like “manner”=”way”. (There might have been a hint in the blog).
    2. Unusually, Jimbo missed the chance to point out that manna and manner only sound the same to a subset of English speakers – in particular those who speak what the dictionaries count as ‘standard English’ for pronunciation purposes.

      If you’re new to this game, you might get something out of a couple of the old posts in the “Solving Tips” category (follow the “Memories” link at the top), and the ‘YAGCC’ section of my website.

  18. Relieved to get here and fine that AMERCE is right because that was the rare “dredged from somewhere, looks like it might fit the definition, might fit the wordplay” words that I’m usually wrong on.
    Didn’t get a time, but around 30 minutes, I found this one tricky. BOOK REST from wordplay, the rest worked after some pondering (and a few gins and tonicses).

    I would say MANNA and MANNER the same way, so no whirredploy.

  19. Sorry to be late here; maybe so late that no one will notice. About 40 minutes for me last night, ending with the only one I didn’t understand: BOOK-REST. I couldn’t figure out the cryptic so I eventually gave up and put it in from wordplay alone. The Mercers came up in this puzzle before. Held up at 1ac for a while because I was trying to solve for MISTRESS???? as an office. Regards all.
    1. Always good to hear from you Kevin. I think you’ll find most bloggers go back over the puzzle next day to pick up late questions and comments.
      1. Thanks Jimbo – nice to know I’m not just whistling in the dark when I’m forced to comment so late!
  20. Becoming a part of a fashion industry network is highly advantageous for people aspiring to become successful in the domain..

    Because of the reality Gucci remained as being a high-class producer, pretty just a few men and women resort to these outlet shops to acquire Gucci items.

    Her skin finsher, Fiona Locke, of St Tropez said; ‘Kelly has a very milky, flawless complexion so for the Oscars we wanted to achieve a golden tone that would complement the colour of her dress’ She used St.

    Each watch sold will result in one hundred meals being purchased for the Watch Hunger Stop campaign begun by Kors and Berry..

    Nike Air Max series on running shoes, the soles are made from the air.

  21. The girl’s definitely got some range, and that applies to both her acting skills and personal style.

    There are many products from this brand that are being sold by various dealers either on various custom stores or Internet sites including the Gucci bags , belts, sunglasses etc.

    Time to switch gears and head out of Manhattan to enjoy nine innings of America’s greatest pastime.

    A cool, sexy barn, where all the models wore $4000 dresses.

    Le BW porte toujours un statut de culte, et quand Sneaker Nouvelles vous a montr茅 ce coloris blanc, noir, violet fonc茅 et il ya un mois, la Air Classic BW fans sortis des boiseries et fait l’茅loge d’锚tre rendu une belle 芦 inverse 禄 脿 l’original colorway BW.

  22. Women who wear sexy high UGG feel like they are walking at par in the world of men.

    Melanoma is the most serious type of skin cancer.

    Yeekz.

    The interest in layered separates bodes well for menswear-inspired styles, said Brandon Holley, editor-in-chief of Lucky magazine.

    Le design de cette basket star se devait lui aussi d’en jeter.

  23. People may also visit to understand more about celebrate special occasions with co workers and kin Others come because about exchange conferences.

    “Never again”, I said back then, and have stuck to it.

    But to me, retail is imperative to growth.

    Nina Garcia, who has always mixed her time on “Project Runway” with her role as fashion editor for Marie Claire magazine, recently announced the start of her own fashion themed show on AOL..

    Comme une reconnaissance d’茅motion, de proximit茅 avec la fa莽on qu’elle avait de se perdre.

  24. Uniquely branded with a patterned design, Louis Vuitton handbags tower above the competition..

    So there is a significant difference in identifying products based on gender.

    A little black dress with a fuller skirt looks great and is timeless.

    There were many Estee Lauder cosmetics in stock, but no fragrances.

    My incredibly long internet search has at the end of the day been honored with beneficial knowledge to go over with my family.

  25. that to buy handbag is not a difficult thing but to buy a suitable bag is not easy.

    Before you aspire to look like a model, remember that the photos are heavily airbrushed, the models have personal trainers and certain body types that can stay leaner.

    I rarely make designs inspired by other people’s work, but in this case I had seen a blogpicture of a gorgeous design that I decided to use as my inspiration for this design.

    About 75 guests mixed and mingled with Michael (a real charmer!) and gorgeous store manager, Tory Beneke, who was beaming.

    “Les d茅linquants mineurs dans l’enqu锚te, jusqu’脿 Bacheng plus intim茅s ont admis leur crime et le faible acc猫s 脿 l’information sur le r茅seau, plus de Jiucheng des r茅pondants souvent dans le caf茅, 脿 proximit茅 de la Jiucheng des r茅pondants se consid猫rent comme 芦addiction禄.

Comments are closed.