Times 24364 – Nursery Games

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A very lively puzzle that took me far longer than it should have done, around 70 minutes. I’m not sure whether the nursery rhyme references are known universally, nor the bit of slang that’s been thrown in for good measure. There’s an old singer and an old song to keep me happy and a bit of physics to cheer up Jimbo.

Across
1 BARB,A,DOS – DOS = sod (rev)
9 ANGLE,SEY – SEY = yes (rev)
11 DING(o), DONG, BELL(e) – The nursery rhyme is Ding, Dong, Bell, Pussy’s in the Well. The Lear character is the Dong with the Luminous Nose
13 ATHROB – (to bar + H)*
14 ANGST,ROM(e) – According to my dictionary this is a unit of length equal to one hundred millionth of a centimetre.
15 TOP,ON,YM – YM = my (rev)
16 ROBES,ON – A reference to the great Paul Robeson possibly best remembered now for his recording of Ol’ Man River. I imagine it’s mainly church choirs who wear robes.
20 P,H(Y)LLIDA – P, piano/quietly, then (hid all)* around the last letter of nudity
22 0(F,F) PAT – F(ine) F(emale) surrounded by 0 (love) then (Postman) Pat. I think OFF PAT came up in a recent puzzle and caught me out.
23 A, PRETTY, PENNY – A large amount of money
26 L,AND,F(ascism),I,L,L
27 M(I,LIT)ARY – Another nursery rhyme needed here, the question being “Mary, Mary, How does your garden grow?”
 
Down
2 A,M(ARE,TT)O – This almond flavoured liqueur seems to crop up quite regularly now. TT for teetotal is an old favourite.
3 BORDER, COL,LIE – March in the sense borderland
4 DANNY BOY – (Anybody + N)*. Today’s old song title otherwise known as The Londonderry Air.
5 SAND,BAG – George Sand followed by the schoolboy slang “bag” meaning to claim
6 E.G.,GNOG – GNOG = gong (rev)
7 (r)ASHE(r) – This was my last to understand fully having assumed it referred to US motor sport of which I know nothing. Then the penny dropped that it’s Arthur Ashe, the great tennis player and this is the only sport in which I have any interest. Self-kicking time!
8 CY,C(LAME)N – LAME inside C(it)Y, C(onstructio)N. With only the Y in place I wasted ages trying to make HYACINTH work,
15 BUTTER(FLY) NUT – Another term for a wing nut. Butternut squash is a vegetable I have never eaten.
17 O’CONNELL – Daniel O’Connell 1775 – 1847
18 O(R,A)CULAR
19 W(AX), PAL,M – Virginian here indicates the US spelling of axe

38 comments on “Times 24364 – Nursery Games”

  1. Could see the Palm part of this but thought that w and using virginia to indicate lopping the e off axe a touch esoteric…but anyway. Like you around 55 minutes or so…so at the harder end of the scale for me
  2. Very hard. ANGSTROM tough for us rabbits (literary joke).
    SONNY BOY was my air for a while just to make it tougher.
    I presume “For one” in the EGGNOG clue is yet another version of EG?

    1. Yes, Barry, that was my take on it. I’ve added the full-stops now to make it clearer to those who come later.
      1. I add my tuppenceworth re butternut. DO try it. (Steamed, baked, roasted whatever …)
  3. the kind of crossword that reminds just how far i have to go. i couldnt even finish it with aids. could somebody be kind enough to explain 25ac where i have written null? thx.
  4. I enjoyed this quite a lot. Although I’ll admit to not having understood all the clues.

    Two mistakes for me, ‘Donny Bay’ (it does sound like it could be a song – and I did correct it before finishing), and ‘Fan Palm’ (which I justified by thinking that West Virginian must be slang for a 4 letter word starting fan)

    First in 22ac, last in 24dn.

    W

  5. A day off so a rare morning solve for me instead of having to wait until lunch time.

    A tough but very rewarding puzzle which took 33 minutes but with a little electronic nudge to get Angstrom which opened up the NE corner. I put in cyclamen based on checkers and def and half of the wordplay as I’m not sure how halt = lame. I also had a QM against 7 where I’m not convinced that first and last letters can be “corners” (although to be fair it didn’t stop me getting the answer quite quickly).

    As Vinyl1 says there are very many superb clues here, but I’ll single out athrob for the smooth surface and for being a nice woody word (George will understand).

    Jack, you should try butternut squash. Lovely flavour of its own but also takes on the flavour of innumerable herbs and spices very well. In fact I’ve got one in the fridge. Hang on…

    …there, I’m holding it up to the monitor now.

  6. Hard going. I struggled with WAX PALM and ATHROB and came close to giving up before scraping home after about 21 mins.

    Paul Robeson was my favourite singer in the distant days of my youth, but I imagine that would be a tough one for many younger solvers.

    1. “A voice so pure
      A vision so clear
      I gotta learn to live like you
      Learn to sing like you”

      Any younger (or indeed older) solvers who are fans of the Manic Street Preachers may recall this great tribute to PR by the Welsh band.

  7. Another who struggled from NULL to WAX with a complete halt in the NE, eventually kick started by ANGLESEY. Very much in agreement with vinyl’s assessment.
  8. 20:54, with the last in MILITARY (27ac) and the unknowns ROBESON (16ac) and WAX PALM (19dn).  Other unknowns were PHYLLIDA (20ac), DANNY BOY (4dn), ASHE (7dn), BUTTERFLY NUT (12dn), and O’CONNELL (17dn).  ANGSTROM (14ac) was unfamiliar.  This ignorance, combined with some tricky clueing, made for a difficult but ultimately satisfying puzzle.  Nice to see the Dong with a Luminous Nose making an appearance.

    Penfold’s question mark about “corners” indicating extremities (as in 7dn) seems justified, but it didn’t give me pause when solving, and the link with the brilliant misdirection in “rallying” is enough to vindicate it for me.  My only quibble is with 15dn (TOP TABLE), where the cryptic part (“League champions do”) is incomplete.  Those on my side of another fence would no doubt have preferred “fencing” to “fences” in 27ac, but you can’t have everything.

    The conventional use of “touring” as a containment indicator (as in 23ac A-PRETTY-PENNY) relies on the transitivity that I’ve complained about before with reference to “without = outside = surrounding”.  Here, the two-step thought is “touring = going around = surrounding”, and if you think for a moment about touring (say) Italy, you’ll see why this just doesn’t work.  Given the convention, though, 23ac is a great clue.

    Clue of the Day: 16ac (ROBESON).  Thanks to Anonymous for the Manics reference, which would have helped me if I’d been tempted to listen to Know Your Enemy more than once.

    1. (sorry, re-posting in the correct place …)
      Let Robeson Sing was also a single, of course.
      I think you should dust off your copy of Know Your Enemy btw 🙂
  9. 33:03 .. really engaging challenge.

    Saturday solvers saw Pussy in the Well in January (24119):
    Stout assistance needed for such a comfortably-settled cat, nevertheless! (4-6)
    (it was Little Tommy Stout who pulled her out)

    The rhyme also popped up in August (24302).
    Inventor of phone with ringing tone: that’s a rhyme! (4,4,4)
    Ah, Google..

    First in LAIR, last INTUIT (after realising it’s PHYLLIDA, not Phylidda).

    Off to book a holiday now… Barbados or Anglesey? hm…

  10. This was very tough. The only thing that made it possible for me is that certain words do tend to keep cropping up. I’ve seen Robeson, Ashe, Anglesey and Danny Boy before in just the few months that I have been doing this crossword.

    Sadly, as my last entry, I went for the vaguely botanical bay palm, having failed to lift and separate West Virginian.

  11. Let Robeson Sing was also a single, of course.
    I think you should dust off your copy of Know Your Enemy btw 🙂
  12. This was the toughie I was expecting. Over an hour, with 10 minutes to get the last few, 8, 14, 15 (for which I had to resort to aids) and 16. I was late to see CYCLAMEN because I had carelessly written ANGLESEA for 9. And one wrong in the end, with FAN PALM for 19, for no other reason than the fact that I’m surrounded by fan palms and am not familiar with the wax palm. Best deception for me was in 26, but there were many examples of crafty and craftsmanlike clues. Like Penfold, I wasn’t keen on ‘corners’ for outside letters, or perhaps ‘corners’ was a reference to two “rights”, which makes some sense, as in “take a right”, i.e. a right-hand bend. I don’t think I have ever come across a Phyllida in my whole life, so that was guess very early on.
    1. In person, no, but there is always Phyllida Erskine-Brown (“Portia”) in the Rumpole stories.
  13. Couldn’t finish this last night, but this morning knocked it off over breakfast, a lot of outside my comfort zone today.

    From wordplay: OCONNELL, ROBESON, TOPONYM. Last in TOP TABLE.

  14. I thought this was a cracking puzzle, 41 mins. Yes, WAX PALM was a little tricky as in effect you were looking for a three letter word with only one crossing letter. TOP TABLE was one of my favourites and I thought that usage ie the answer completes the rest of the clue is a standard device, if maybe not used very very often. The setter is, I’d say, a very skilled manipulator of the English language and the various meanings of words, reminding me, as an Indy solver, of the setter Mass.
  15. For me, the toughest for a long time, requiring much on-line activity to finish in 55 min. One to go back over and savour.
  16. Very enjoyable but tricky puzzle – I stopped timing after an hour. Only one clue I’m still not clear about (thanks to jackkt): in 21D INUIT is plural whereas ESKIMO is singular (but perhaps the latter is meant an adjective). Even so, I don’t see how INTUIT (verb, to know intuitively) can mean either SENSE or MAKE SENSE.

    1. And now I fel stupid because no sooner have I posted this comment than I realise that SENSE is also a verb.
      1. “Only one clue I’m still not clear about (thanks to jackkt)”

        I meant, of course, that jackkt has clarified the other clues I was not sure about, not that he has confused me over this particular clue.

  17. Because of pressure of events I didn’t do this puzzle until Sunday just after finishing off Mephisto, so I was in the right frame of mind for a testing puzzle. Good to see that Jack got the puzzle that contained DANNY BOY and Paul ROBESON

    I thought it tough but fair and an enjoyable 35 minutes.

  18. I think I nodded off while tackling this after retruning home – there are answers in both pencil and pen, and no time recorded. Probably 20+ …

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