Times 24194 – 1A, 3

Solving time: 13:36

Quite tricky this one, though for no very obvious reason – must just be well-hidden wordplay. Last in were 27 and then 13. Just noticed that the top row makes a good description of a typical cryptic crossword’s content.

Across
1 ARC=bend,H
3 M(IS,CELL=small room)ANY – a potpourri is a miscellany as well as a bowl of dusty blue perfumed vegetation, often found in the particular “small room” which I daresay a few others thought of too.
9 CARD=amusing character,IF=”despite being”,F = loud
11 ASCRIBE – I in braces*
14 COR,G,I – “Cor!” and “Love a duck” are Brit. colloq. exclamations, the latter often as “luvaduck”. Corgis are from Wales and hence Cardiff=9. (Now there’s a statement requiring context.)
15 I,M=marks,P(OT=to rev.)ENCE. Slightly surprised by marks=>M – it no longer appears in both COED and Collins, which I thought was the usual Times standard for one-letter abbreviations.
17 SUN,SCREEN – the Sun is a tabloid paper from the same group as the Times. (Mind you, the Times is tabloid now, so when the Sun xwd gets a blog they can use the same explanation for newspaper=TIMES)
19 S.E.,TUP=ram
21 PRIVATI(SAT,I)ON
24 EXI(GEN.)T
25 ELEV(AT)E(n) – team = eleven from sports like soccer, cricket and hockey.
26 RALLY=improve,CROSS=bad-tempered
27 WRI(s)T – simple enough but I failed to find the right joint and also pondered the possibility of “order – S = joint” for the wordplay
 
Down
1 (f)ASC(ECIT=cite=name rev.)ISM – some time wasted by going for “leaderless … system” = ANARCHY
2 CORSAIR=rover=pirate – sounds like “coarse ‘air” = Cockney version of coarse hair = whiskers.
4 INFER,TILE=ancient slang for hat
5 CHAPS – 2 defs, one as worn by cowboys
6 LICK INTO SHAPE – CD, not any of the various anagrams I tried to manufacture
7 AV((s)IGN)ON – a nifty overlap of meaning to hide river=AVON. You have to treat “City on Rhône” as the def. (And well done to the website folk for getting the 0-circumflex right – an encouraging sign.)
10 INSTINCTIVELY – N from man in (City isn’t evil)* – easy anagram which helped get things moving
13 DESPONDENT = low. POND=”body of water” replaces the central C in DESCENT = downward path
16 PEN,NILE,S.S.
18 NUPTIAL – up = “high point” in Latin*
20 THIN AIR – two cryptic defs
22 AFTER – T in anag. of …
23 F=following,EAR=sense of music as in “tin ear”

29 comments on “Times 24194 – 1A, 3”

  1. 31mins here. Nothing to add to Peter’s comprehensive blog, as usual.

    The long anagrams at 12 and 21 provided a good start, except that I carelessly wrote TRANSGRESSING at 12 which held me up in the NE corner for a while.

    I have to say I found DESPONDENT, IMPOTENCE, PENNILESS, INFERTILE, ASCETICISM and FEAR all a bit depressing. Can we have a happy one tomorrow please?

  2. 33 min I am afraid, but no quibbles whatsoever. Just slow. Possibly the bottle of succulent pinot gris at 15% (or the Guinness or the chardonnay). One day I will learn. Oh, and 7 dn I did not understand, but it could be nothing else. Thanks Peter.
  3. 16:02 for me. Went quite quickly through about two-thirds of it, then ground to a halt for a while. ELEVATE and DESPONDENT were slow to come, also IMPOTENCE, MISCELLANY and CHAPS, which were the last three to go in.
  4. Straightforward 25 minute solve that would have been a little quicker if I hadn’t stupidly written PRIV-I-TISATION. Luckily solved AFTER straight from the clue, even though there are no “…” before 23D.

    I liked the clue for INSTINCTIVELY although it was easy but winced at CORSAIR. M=Marks was common currency so to speak before Germany adopted the Euro but today is a bit Mephistolian, appearing as it still does in Chambers but not, as Peter says, in the usual Times Daily sources.

    1. Same dumb mistake here which, having gone unnoticed until I arrived here, prevented me from getting 22d. About the same 25 minutes
      but for the silly oversight.
      Still chuffed however, for getting both the weekend puzzles in under 20 minutes and submitting them for prizes.
      Best from Toronto
  5. Raced through two thirds of it in a 16 minutes session. After 5 minutes of the second session I had solved all but 3a, 8d and as things turned out, 5d which I had tentatively pencilled in as SPATS. I was another 15 minutes sorting out these last few, not helped by being unable to see the wordplay in AVIGNON so I could not be sure of A as the checking letter in 3a. I could not believe it took me so long to spot the hidden word at 8d.
  6. Unlike today’s doggy, this crossword had a long tail for me with the last two, despondent and fear going in after 37 minutes. Otherwise, it was a mainly well-constructed crossword with good surfaces, fair definitions and a low incidence of proper nouns. Is my memory playing tricks or did we have Avignon a couple of weeks ago?

    After last week’s clueing of Low, I was tempted to pencil in cartoonist on the first reading of 13. I did not understand the wordplay until I read Peter’s blog. I have not seen “hides” as a replacement indicator before. Maybe it is a tinsy bit unfair.

    Today’s dog continues an extraordinary run in recent weeks. Corgi is obviously crossword-friendly because it ends in an “i” but none of the other doggies could be considered to be a crossword setter’s best friend.

    1. Cue statistician (I promised myself I wouldn’t do this). Avignon did indeed appear on 24th ult, clued as “A Côtes-du-Rhone — good little number — cellared here” which I thought had a tad more flair than today’s. There’s obviously a limit to the number of circumflexes (circumflexi?) that can appear in one clue. Budgetary constraints again, I suppose.
  7. Nice, well crafted crossword, just the right level of difficulty. We are on a bit of a roll at present..

    Peter said: And well done to the website folk for getting the 0-circumflex right – an encouraging sign.

    I agree, and it seems to me that the shiny new website is behaving FAR more reliably than the old one. Crosswords appear on time, no typos, no wrong grids.. about time I suppose, but nevertheless, well done… I sent an email to the xcomments email address pointing out a small problem and got a friendly, prompt reply and it was corrected.. just the risible bulletin board to sort out, and we’ll be there!

  8. Good solid inventive puzzle, I thought. About 30 mins, slowish by the standards of the speedsters, I know, but a time that qualifies as a straightforward solve for me. Some excellent anagrams, and one or two good puns elsewhere CORSAIR(2dn) and CHAPS(5dn).

  9. 32 minutes with a few breaks because of silly text messages, and watching TV. Almost the same experience as Peter, needed WRIT to get DESPONDENT. Actually, I’ll hat-tip 27 because it’s concise, has a slightly amusing surface, and it’s crafty – I couldn’t figure out if I was looking for a word for “joint” without an S meaning “order” or a word for “order” without an S meaning “joint”. Nice anagram for TRANSGRESSION, I didn’t see it until nearly all the checking letters. CORGI from part wordplay, ditto AVIGNON
  10. A below average 29 minutes, with only the NW corner holding me up, after I whipped in HEEL for 1ac, and got myself into all kinds of trouble. COD 18d.
  11. I was quite pleased to get this finished in 12 minutes (and some number of seconds: I don’t use a stopwatch, merely check the clock upon starting and finishing), and even more so to find that this beats Peter’s time.

    There were quite a few clues that I put in without fully understanding the wordplay, but I figured most of them out after completion. I also had WHIP INTO SHAPE (a whip’s cord can be referred to as a tongue?), but ASCRIBE was so obviously correct, once I came up with it, that I actually started putting it in believing it would fit with the crossing I. When it didn’t, I soon corrected the mistake. Unfortunately, ASCRIBE actually did fit with the JEANS I’d put in at 5dn, by cleverly remembering that JEAN is a male name in French. That held up 3ac for a while.

    To be able to muck up an entire corner in this fashion, work out where I’ve gone wrong, put it right, and STILL finish in a good time, is a lot more satisfying than merely sailing through it and recording 9 minutes and odd would have been.

    I spent a few minutes, post-completion, wondering why -ATIS- or -TISA- inside PRIVATION made any sense, before the penny dropped. I’m still not sure how “IF” can mean “despite which” but if the likes of Peter are familiar with it, it must be sound. I also don’t ever recall seeing EXIGENT in print, but I’m familiar enough with ‘exigencies’ that it was fairly obvious.

    Curiosity of the day: how often does an answer appear in both the cryptic and the concise puzzle on the same day?

  12. 12:11 .. ASCETICISM and MISCELLANY came straight off the bat, which made things much easier. Biggest problem for me was 13d, where I couldn’t get ‘serpentine’ out of my head.

    I do hope the setter’s alright – what with impotence, infertility, transgressions and privations, penniless despondency, asceticism, writs and fears, it’s not so much a puzzle as a cry for help. I felt I had wandered into the Slough of Despond

  13. No problems, 18 minutes.

    26 was a gimme as one of my extremely flimsy claims to fame is that as a lad at my Dad’s golf club one afternoon I was bought consecutive drinks by John Taylor, European Rallycross champion 1973, and Reg White, lemonade magnate and a descendant of Robert White who produced the first R White’s lemonade in 1845. For the record, Reg bought me a Coke.

    Peter, I can’t see how the Sun crossword blog would work… how would you reproduce the pictures?

    An enjoyable puzzle with some neat clues, not least miscellany, impotence and penniless. Was anybody else looking for an anagram of river ship?

  14. A very good 20 minutes for all but 2 clues and then ages to get DESPONDENT and WRIT.

    No really obscure words, although I don’t use EXIGENT very often in everyday conversation. I got THIN AIR quicker in this cryptic than I did in the Times 2 earlier today, but I think cryptics are often easier than the simple definition crosswords because of the additional wordplay.

    I nearly put in TRANSGRESSING for 12 across, from the ‘ing’ of ‘wrongdoing’, but fortunately realised halfway through that there had to be an O somewhere.

  15. The statistician has been sent scurrying to his 1894 edition of Wisden on that one. In 2008, the same word appeared in the Saturday Times and Jumbo on no fewer than 4 occasions. Even with conservative estimates of the size of the wordpool, this is too many times for the coincidence to be serendipitous. An enquiry has been launched.
  16. A slow start but a steady finish. Another enjoyable solve. Tried to get DISPIRITED to work at 13, with spiral somehow being cut, but couldn’t. “River ship” was never going to be an anagram but “one in hardship” clearly was at 21. COD for me was MISCELLANY, which combined with COR at 14 reminded me of… cue theme Dee dit dee, de dit de dit de dit de dit de dee dit dee (etc)… Welcome to My Music, a musical miscellany featuring Frank Muir, Dennis Norden…and your host Steve Race and I think the most memorable moment on the show:

    Steve: Frank, what instrument is playing here?
    Frank (before music starts): The cor anglais
    Steve (amazed): How did you know?
    Frank: You always give me the cor anglais.

  17. About 30 minutes for me today, no real hold-ups. I also noticed the setter’s obvious anguish with the inclusion of many forms of torment and suffering, perhaps inspired by its being the Christian Holy Week. I second the hope for a more gaily clued outing tomorrow. With all the depressing words, my COD goes to the only one that raised a smile, YVES. Regards.
  18. Agree with other comments, a nice level of difficulty for me but got there in the end without aids. Not as witty as some, but satisfying nevertheless. I’ve been travelling and unable to post but able to find a newspaper and do the puzzles – it’s been a consistent spell for me, managing Fri/Sat/Mon/Tues and todays without aids and with only a couple of minor errors. I’m starting to entertain the hope that I’m getting closer to the standard of most other posters, for whom a difficult puzzle means one that takes a bit longer rather than one abandoned with half-a-dozen clues unsolved. No doubt reality will intrude to disabuse me of this fantasy with a day or two. bc
  19. Enjoyable puzzle, about average in difficulty for me. 32 mins. Favourite clue: DESPONDENT
  20. Well, finally bitten the bullet and decided to start timing my efforts – prompted mainly by a letter I received this morning…. In fact, since submitting for the CC I have been on the most pathetic streak of solving that I was beginning to give up hope!

    Tips on making a puzzle more difficult –
    1) Solve it in the middle of an antenatal ward whilst your wife sleeps.
    2) Be unable to spell – yes, I had PRIVITISATION as well.
    3) Imagine that JOHNS is an acceptable shortening of LONG JOHNS….

    Despite all that, managed a fairly healthy 15 minutes, so feeling pleased with myself. Unlikely to solve another puzzle for the next month…

    Cheers, Oli

  21. think i can second the “it must be johns” call. So much so that I went to sleep with no answer for 3a or 11a and didnt even bother to resolve this morning…
  22. This was a nice straightforward solve with the only ? at 25a ELEVATE where I did not understand the construction – thanks for the explanation.

    Just the two “easies” here:

    12a Sinners argot’s disguised wrongdoing (13)
    TRANSGRESSION. Anagram of (sinner’s argot’s).

    8d French man aboard navy vessel (4)
    YVES. Hidden in last 2 words.

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