Sunday Times 4805, by Jeff Pearce — He lives!

I enoyed this a lot more than the last Pearce entry it was my duty to blog. No complaints this time about any of the double definitions (or anything else). Nothing too far out, but creative—there are a couple clues that almost defy classification, though they work perfectly well.

(gamarans)* like this, definitions underlined…

ACROSS

 1 Surgery by medical practitioner on part of mouth—the cause? (8)
GUMDROPS—GUM(DR)(OP)S. It took me a minute to see the definition, but the candy might cause (or create the need for) surgery (though I don’t know how it would make your gums drop). The definition is intertwined with the wordplay, but I was still hesitant to mark it as an &lit.
 5 Small bag of yen found in street (6)
SACHET—S(ACHE)T
10 Uranium and oil developed with Asian state (9)
LOUISIANA—(U+OIL+ASIAN)*
11 A child related to Spike and Brad (5)
SPRIG—But isn’t this really a triple definition? The first part could have been the amusing UKism “sprog,” but not the last two. Besides being “A descendant or younger member of a family or social class” (Oxford), a SPRIG is also a “small, headless brad,” as per Collins. (Headless Brad? That could have been fun) and, according to Oxford, “A stud on the sole of a shoe or boot”—usually in the plural—so there’s your “spike.” All these definitions are not always found in the same source. (There’s also one relating to pottery…)
12 Untrustworthy person loses women’s support (5)
EASEL—[w]EASEL
13 Outrage, sadly, drinking litre after litre—one might (5,4)
LAGER LOUT—(outrage, L, L)* Not an expression you hear in the States. This must be meant as an &lit, as the definition cannot be understood without taking into account the wordplay.
14 Underground community member is excellent in new version of “Porridge” (7,3)
PRAIRIE DOG—“Excellent” = A1, AI to us, in (porridge)*. Cute definition.
17 Cover old pool (4)
LIDO—LID+O
19 See red bit of cloth on end of line (4)
RAGE—RAG + E
20 Single out a copper concealing money before judge—that’s not right! (10)
ACCENTUATE—A + C(CENT)U + [r]ATE.
22 Prisoner and guards carrying iron and gold for priest (9)
CONFESSOR—CON(FE)SS(OR). SS in Hitlerland stood for Schutzstaffel—literally, Protection Squad.
24 Often a Jamaican opera starts in the middle (5)
RASTA—opeRA STArts
26 Make one old coin (5)
UNITE—Double definition. How often do you find a verb acting as a noun? I had to look up the English piece of gold, in circulation from the years 1604 to 1619.
27 We hear you left idiot in disguise to do several jobs (9)
MULTITASK—MA(U)(L)(TIT)ASK
28 Put uniform on the Spanish cardinal (6)
ELEVEN—“The[,] Spanish” = EL + “uniform” = EVEN.
29 A boiling hot day when composer tours church (8)
SCORCHER—SCOR(CH)ER

DOWN

 1 After 50th anniversary insurance policy for pilot gives lavish payout (6,9)
GOLDEN PARACHUTE—The 50th anniversary is traditionally said to be GOLDEN, and the “insurance policy for pilot” is of course the meticulously packed bundle of silk on his back… Too obvious?
 2 Openers for Middlesex are usually lively and skilful batters (5)
MAULS—M(iddlesex)A(re)U(suallY)L(ively) and S(kilful).
 3 Stocktaking is their aim (8)
RUSTLERS—Cryptic definition.
 4 Ring includes ruby at the front and this? (5)
PEARL—PEA(R)L. Is this an &lit? I wasn’t sure if I shouldn’t underline just “this.”
 6 Insist on having a lock-up (6)
ASSERT—A + TRESS<—-
 7 Instrument heard to injure girl (9)
HARMONICA—Hurt Lewinsky?
 8 Wasted painter, say, has to escort top lady to see Polish circus act (9,6)
TIGHTROPE WALKER—“Wasted” = TIGHT, “painter” = ROPE (definition by example) + “escort” = WALK + “top lady” = E(lizabeth) R(egina). “Polish” is, I finally realized, a pun relating to the long pole the performer uses for balancing.
 9 Cabinet minister follows staff around river—one’s more suited to swamps! (8)
MANGROVE—“Staff” = MAN + (Michael) G(R)OVE.
15 South American broker grabs rand in central part of Kimberley (9)
ARGENTINE—A(R)GENT IN (Kimb)E(rley)
16 What a dance! (6,2)
EXCUSE ME—Double definition. I didn’t know about the dance.
18 Having worse weather about, one maiden goes off to the North (8)
STORMIER— RE + I (1) + M + ROTS <—-
21 See member of clergy briefly before worship (6)
REVERE—REV + ERE
23 Roman Catholic priest retained a bit of old religious tradition (5)
RELIC—R(ELI)C… “Eli” being possibly the most famous priest in biblical history (to crossword solvers, anyway).
25 Legendary guitarist left band outside (5)
SLASH—S(L)ASH. I’ve heard that it is not a tradition with the Sunday Times puzzles, as it is with the dailies, to use only the names of deceased persons. But I checked to make sure that the Guns N’ (sic) Roses axman was still among the living.

40 comments on “Sunday Times 4805, by Jeff Pearce — He lives!”

  1. I guessed ‘sprog’, not knowing what Spike and Brad were doing. DNK UNITE, of course, but no problem. (How often do you find a verb acting as a noun? Very, very often; a process called zero derivation: walk, step, move, break, remove, desire, …) Also had no idea who the legendary guitarist was, or is, but again no problem. I was wondering about the Polish; my mind is set at ease.
    1. Thanks for that. My question was somewhat rhetorical, as I do know that this happens—a lot—and not just in cryptic puzzles. “(The) Unite” as the name of a coin is nevertheless somewhat surprising. I wonder if anyone can think of a parallel case.
  2. I went for SPROG.
    I liked the different meanings of “see” in 19ac and 21d but I don’t “see” Slash as a “legendary guitarist”. Well-known, even famous, but not legendary. Hendrix, Clapton and Page, yes, but not Slash.
    Finally, I think the use of “Polish” in 8d to indicate tightrope walking is far too far-fetched, so there!

    Edited at 2018-07-08 04:57 am (UTC)

    1. The thing about ‘Polish’ is, more than its being far-fetched–do tightrope walkers always use a pole? I haven’t seen a circus in years–that it’s gratuitous: its only function is that of a red herring. I suppose that’s why it was thrown in.
      Comforting to see some Brits also going for SPROG; I was rather chuffed to have remembered it.
      I thought today’s ST had some terrific clues; the only problem I found with it was that I couldn’t for the life of me figure out one clue, and gave up.
  3. My points have all been covered but nevertheless: Had SPRIG for SPRIG as I didn’t know the spike/brad thing; didn’t know the guitarist but solved the clue; didn’t know the gold coin but solved the clue; didn’t understand the Polish reference re the funambulist. 35 minutes. Today’s ST is a nightmare.

    Edited at 2018-07-08 04:44 am (UTC)

    1. “Today’s ST is a nightmare”
      Oh dear! I haven’t started on it yet!
    2. Glad it’s not just me struggling with today’s! Turns out I struggled with last week’s, too, having put in SPROG, not knowing any of the three definitions of the triple definition…
  4. 24 minutes, so about par on this neat puzzle. I had heard of SLASH, and correctly attributed his band, from whom the only other member I know of is Axle Grease, isn’t it? One hand being tied to the tightrope walker, the other in his pants is more my era. And I had happy minutes remembering who said Goody Goody Gumdrops on Whirligig and Saturday Special. I remembered it as from the great Peter Butterworth, later of Carry On fame, but Google tells me it was Humphrey Lestocq. Enjoyable puzzle, with no hang-ups. Thank you Guy and Jeff.

    Edited at 2018-07-08 08:09 am (UTC)

      1. Isn’t the anagram of Axl Rose, Martin? Just got back from Church and will be hospital visiting later. The message could well be ‘nil by mouth’ in either place.
  5. Has anyone else been having trouble with the club site?

    Specifically, yesterday’s Saturday puzzle I can’t complete because of a glitch at the end of 1a / start of 4d.

    And today’s puzzle won’t display online for me at all. Had to print it.

    1. Oh dear! I’ve had no problems but…twice in the past I’ve had problems with the Club site and on both occasions Help Desk suggested I change browsers. The first time I changed from Safari to Firefox and the second time from Firefox to Chrome. Both times those were the suggested browsers to use. I have a Macbook.

      Edited at 2018-07-08 08:44 am (UTC)

      1. thanks, Martin. Yes, I’m on a Mac as well. I hate loading up different browsers that I don’t really want to use, but support for Safari always seems to be lousy. May have to bite the bullet. Thanks again

        eta: yep, both puzzles work fine on Chrome, so I’m compelled to submit to our great Google overlord

        Edited at 2018-07-08 10:06 am (UTC)

        1. Why is it they always suggest something WE should do?
          Rather than, say, oh, apologizing for the problem and offering to look into it?
          1. 🙂

            “You site doesn’t work on my computer”
            “Get a different computer”

    2. In my experience, cookies sometimes mess up the site so you could maybe try either deleting your cookies (which can be inconvenient) or opening the puzzle in an Incognito window (or whatever the equivalent is on Firefox).
      1. thanks, I can’t test those ideas right now as I’ve already solved the puzzles in another browser, but if it happens again the incognito window is probably an easy way to check.
  6. It took me just under the half hour to fail on this one by putting sprog rather than sprig. I knew child = sprog but not child = sprig and Spike or Brad didn’t mean very much to me ( I hoped that Sp might be an abbreviation for spike and rog a type of nail). Unite was thrown in with no knowledge of the old coin. Let me be first to query the homophone: The homophone at 7dn doesn’t quite work for me because the injure and the girl share the “m” in the middle so I either end up with a solid homophone for injure – harm – followed by an inadequate homophone for girl – onica or an inadequate homophone for injure – har followed by an adequate homophone for girl – Monica. Perfectly solvable though.
  7. I solved this in transit last Sunday and have now lost the vital bit of paper.
    I remember enjoying it; 1d got me started.
    I was surprised to meet Slash in a crossword;am equally surprised that he is still alive and turns up in the BBC 4 rock documentaries which I watch sometimes.
    Did not know Unite as a coin but guessed it. And I’m pretty sure I was another SPROG. Could not parse 8d -thanks for that. David
  8. 9:22, but another SPROG. A triple definition with three obscure meanings of an otherwise commonplace word is… interesting.
    I agree with SB that the homophone doesn’t work.
    Today’s was a bit of a beast.
      1. Thank you, Sandy. I have it all worked out, so I’m not concerned. I do have quite a lot to comment on though: it’s a puzzle that pushes some limits.
        Next Sunday I will be in remote Canadian lake country with my son, so possibly unable to respond to my blog. Depending on how things go on Wednesday though I may have to move heaven and earth to ensure some kind of data connection for the World Cup Final. Let’s see.
        How’s you ear?
        1. Regarding this week’s, I haven’t quite been able to justify one clue…
          As for my ear, I hate to say “the same,” as the sensations on that side of my face are changing and even becoming more intense (I am going to consult a neurologist), which I hope means I’m still healing. But that ear is also still deaf.

          Edited at 2018-07-09 12:24 am (UTC)

              1. Just look in a dictionary! Specifically Chambers or Collins, ODO isn’t very helpful.
                1. I looked only online, but in both Cambridge and Collins (and just did again), and I don’t find… what I’m looking for. I don’t think I’m allowed to be any more explicit at this moment.
      2. Also by the way I will be In New York in the week beginning 1 October. Make a note, I will do a more general announcement in my blog next week.
  9. Liked the puzzle. I have a question and a whine.

    The question is about “on” in 19a. A couple months ago there was a discussion, and I thought we concluded that “a on b” in an across clue always meant “b followed by a”. Or did we conclude that it usually meant that, but sometimes could mean “a followed by b”? I don’t think I’ve noticed any of the unsigned dailies using the “a followed by b” structure; on the weekends, Jeff does it occasionally.

    The whine is about “cardinal”, which is an adjective. When applied to “eleven” it tells you what kind of number “eleven” is. But at the same time it can be applied to signs, winds, ideas, symptoms, points, directions, and a couple other things, and when it is it tells you what kind of sign, wind, etc you’re dealing with. “Cardinal” is not a synonym for “number of a certain kind”. An analogy might be a “blue” car. Blue, like cardinal, can be applied to many things, and when either is it tells you what specific kind of that thing you are dealing with. But neither defines the thing itself: even in crossword-land we wouldn’t permit “blue” to clue “car”. I get that “cardinal” has become an accepted clue for a whole number, mostly because the other cardinals (signs, directions, ideas, etc are much less frequently found); my whine is that it should not have been allowed to do so.

    Edited at 2018-07-08 05:14 pm (UTC)

    1. On the first point re ON, according to convention ‘a on b’ in an Across clue is supposed to indicate ‘b followed by a’ but there are occasional exceptions so it can’t be relied upon. The main points from the recent discussion can be read here: https://jackkt.livejournal.com/20698.html

      On the second point, I may not have fully understood your objection but the usual sources also list ‘cardinal’ as a noun meaning ‘cardinal number’ of which ‘eleven’ is an example. I don’t see a problem.

      Edited at 2018-07-08 07:33 pm (UTC)

      1. I remembered the first bit correctly – not usually “a before b” but be careful because it. An be. Thx for the reference to the discussion.

        Re cardinal, I’ll just stew in silence. Noted from both JKKT, and Guy below, that it’s commonly used to mean number, and that it’s in some of the sources (though not, I think, the OED). Now my whine is that I’m turning into a pedant. Probably on firmer ground with that one.

    2. I can see a rationale for “on” working in just one direction in Down clues, but none for specifying either direction as more correct in Acrosses.

      As for “cardinal” tout court for “cardinal number”: A point that has been impressed upon me numerous times, especially by such linguists who like to inveigh against the “etymological fallacy” and other such prescriptivist follies, is that usage is the last word. Conceded. The Cambridge online dictionary gives more than one citation for “cardinal” used in just this manner, and the sense would have been perfectly clear in their original contexts: “The finite cardinals are just 0, 1, 2, 3 and so on”; “There is no complete way to specify all possible large cardinals.”

    3. I express no opinion beyond drawing your attention to my comment above in the hope of having the argument in person.

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