Quick Cryptic 542 by Pedro

Maybe it was just me, but I found this one quite an odd experience. For me, it was one where the answers flowed in easily enough (no obscure GK or unusual words) but where the detailed parsing of several of the clues was quite challenging. Net result is I am frankly unsure whether I have successfully got fully to the bottom of three of the clues – 8a, 5d and 16d. I might have, but then again…

I started (as a virgin blogger) blogging the QC with puzzle number 3 over two years ago, and have blogged every fortnight since then: I can honestly say this is the first time I have ever posted a QC blog where I have been plagued by doubts about any of the parsing – and when three come along in the same puzzle, it is a bit discombobulating! Lest I be misunderstood, that is in no way a complaint – on the contrary, it was a stimulating and enjoyable puzzle – but is intended as an indicator of the trickiness of some of the clues as far as I was concerned.

Anyway, I’ll be very interested to hear what others thought. Thanks to Pedro for an exhausting experience!

On edit: thanks to all for the explanations re. the ones that eluded me. I should have picked up the pun in 8a and the deployment of the “standard” Crosswordland idiom in 16d (whether that idiom is so old hat as to be of questionable merit is a different debate…): a chastening experience for your humble blogger!

Definitions underlined: DD = double definition: Anagrams indicated by *(–)

Across
1 Desire is seen in women’s hearts (4)
WISH – IS appears between (‘seen in’) W (abbrev. women’s) and H (abbrev. hearts in bridge notation)
3 Former schoolfellows no longer ill? That’s not made clear (8)
OBSCURED – OBS (abbrev. old boys – former schoolfellows) + CURED (no longer ill)
8 One’s work on plot includes a clash of blades (4-5)
LAWN MOWER – This one, my friends, drove me nuts. Had I just been a solver, I’d have cheerfully slapped the answer in from cross checkers and enough in the clue (plot, blades) to point to Lawn Mower, and moved on. However, as your humble blogger, I do not have the luxury of “biffing”. I therefore went on a hunt for some kind of definition and wordplay. Of course, hunts can rapidly turn into nightmarish experiences if you start to doubt whether there is actually a quarry at all! After an unfeasible amount of time spent looking for bits of anagrams, hiddens, lifts and separates and every other ploy known to our daily tormentors, I gave up. And then I had what I think might be a penny drop moment – maybe this is one of those relative rarities (at least in Quickie country), a “Semi & lit” with “one’s” (i.e. the lawn mower’s) work etc. etc. I’ll refrain from dwelling too long on the fact that if there is a “clash of blades” your mower has a serious problem and, in a normal scenario, the mower’s blades will not clash. Or maybe I’ve finally lost the plot altogether.
On edit: see explanations below; the key to the clue is the “pun” based around two meanings of blade – mower blade and blade of grass. Kicking myself for not spotting that
10 Amount of money curtailed enjoyment (3)
FUN – FUND (amount of money) without last letter (is curtailed)
11 No rag, badly edited, may be considered a newspaper (5)
ORGAN – *(NO RAG) with “badly edited” as the anagrind
12 Line in magazine included in a morning mix (7)
AMALGAM – MA{L}G (line in magazine) inside (included in) A AM (a morning)
13 Necessitate angry speech after conflict (7)
WARRANT – RANT (angry speech) follows (after) WAR (conflict)
18 Difficult bottling oxygen for store (5)
HOARD – HARD (difficult) with O (symbol for Oxygen) included (bottling)
19 Marine activity not quite sound in part of aircraft (7)
WHALING – HALE (not quite – i.e. last letter removed – ‘sound’ as in hale and hearty) ‘in’ WING (part of aircraft)
20 I simpered awkwardly, showing skin (9)
EPIDERMIS – *(I SIMPERED) with “awkwardly” as the anagrind
22 Manage failure, letting one go (3)
RUN – RU[I]N (failure minus the I – ‘letting one go’)
23 Plaything most of you duplicated (2-2)
YO YO – YO[U] (most of you – i.e. last letter removed) repeated (duplicated)
24 Request core part of French agreement (8)
ENTREATY – EN (core part of FrENch) + TREATY (agreement)
Down
1 Surprised exclamation about blight in wood (6)
WILLOW – ILL (blight) ‘in’ WOW (surprised exclamation)
2 Work with needle, taking a long time, and waste material (6)
SEWAGE – SEW (work with needle) + AGE (a long time)
4 Greeting first parts of body of work (3)
BOW – First letters (first parts) of Body Of Work
5 Machine in the wings is the first thing seen in theatre (7-6)
CURTAIN RAISER – DD – I think – with the first being (I guess) a reference to a contraption used to raise the theatrical curtain (which said contraption would, one assumes, be located in the wings) and the second being the more frequent usage of the first act on stage. Must admit I’d never really thought about the process behind the curtain going up, but I assume it must be mechanised (as opposed to a couple of burly blokes on each side of the stage tugging at ropes as if erecting sails on a yacht). Or maybe I’ve gone completely haywire here!
6 Shelter sports official, very large for a Cockney (6)
REFUGE – REF (sports official) + [H]UGE (very large with the aitch dropped in Cockney style)
7 Busy person ruined Monday (6)
DYNAMO – *(MONDAY) with “ruined” as the anagrind
9 Maltreat new worker interrupting bloke (9)
MANHANDLE – N HAND (new worker) inside (interrupting) MALE (bloke)
12 Weapon taking top off simple cart (5)
ARROW – [B]ARROW – the ‘simple cart’ loses its first letter (top off)
14 Friendly call receiving reduced attention (6)
CHEERY – CRY (call) ‘receiving’ HEE[D] (attention – heed – ‘reduced’)
15 Speak about idiot making sense (6)
SANITY – SAY (speak) around (about) NIT (idiot)
16 Mountainous country – I make a mistake entering it (6)
SIERRA – Whilst the answer became clear with the arrival of a couple of cross checkers and the word ‘mountainous’ at the beginning of the clue, I was a tad unsure about the full parsing here. We clearly have I ERR (I make a mistake) entering something; I originally thought that something was SA (being an abbreviation of South Africa = ‘country’): however, for this to work our definition would be ‘Mountainous’, whereas I would have thought ‘mountainous country’ would be the more likely definition for SIERRA. On second thoughts, I think maybe I’m being too rigid in my analysis of clue construction here, and we are simply being given a steer towards a word meaning mountainous country that includes I ERR and with no specific clueing of the SA bit… All views gratefully received!
On edit: again, your blogger fell over – much egg on face. Thanks to those who put me straight: the IT in the clue is the old crossword device equating to “sex appeal” – in turn abbreviated to SA.
17 Information collected by a heartless county organisation (6)
AGENCY – GEN ‘collected’ by A CountY (a heartless county)
21 Fellow one’s pulled from the sea (3)
MAN – MAIN (sea) losing I (one’s pulled)

32 comments on “Quick Cryptic 542 by Pedro”

  1. 36 mins – a bit trickier than average.

    I’m just as clueless about LAWN MOWER as you are. CURTAIN RAISER seems like a simple double definition, so no problems there for me. The SA in SIERRA refers to “sex appeal”, which is signalled by “it” in crosswordese. (One of the more obscure codes that you just have to learn; I was pretty miffed the first time I came across a clue with this in the clue.)

    1. ‘It’ for ‘sex appeal’, – and then that is itself abbreviated, seriously? Tired 50s slang, let’s have a few abbreviations from the last 40 years, setters. Lol.
  2. 11.25mins

    The blades of the LAWN MOVER clash with the BLADES OF GRASS!

    I agree on CURTAIN RAISER yes but, no but…

    SIERRA it is partially clueless!

    PEDRO should be reprimanded

    horryd Shanghai

  3. 34 mins, not too much trouble, but unlike Nick I don’t have to parse everything out, so didn’t pause biffing in LAWN MOWER. I wasn’t convinced about SIERRA either, thinking might be some other land such as TIERRA, CIERRA etc. Still don’t see how ‘SA’ fits in. LOI MANHANDLE: haven’t seen ‘hand’ for ‘worker’ file that one away, along with ‘OBS’ for ‘old boys’, in my long list of P.G. Wodehouse Oxbridge slang (OE,blue, don, bags etc)
  4. 8ac: I agree that the clashing blades are those of the mower vs those of the grass. I would class the clue as an &lit (whole clue is the definition) and a cd (definition is cryptic)

    5dn: seems clearly to be a double definition; but though the second def. is clearly supported by the dictionaries, for the first one I think we are just expected to accept that such a machine is possible, if not likely these days. Of course even a man stationed with a rope can technically be classed as a machine, if one wanted to be picky, certainly an electric motor can.

    16dn: “It” girls and SA = sex appeal are tired crossword cliches that nevertheless is apparently too useful for setters to dispense with.

    That last apart, a good crossword!

    Edited at 2016-04-06 06:40 am (UTC)

  5. The only possible elucidation I can offer is that as a modern Australian, Nick, your idea of a lawn mower is probably a Victor (or similar) rotary mower.

    In a traditional cylinder mower (probably used these days only by green keepers) a number of blades in a cylindrical form rotate and touch a fixed bottom blade thus cutting the grass by a scissor action. That is not exactly a clash of blades, but the blades certainly have to come together with sufficient pressure to cut effectively.

    Dereklam

    1. Thanks Derek – I am, as they say, none the wiser BUT significantly better informed!
  6. 11 minutes, so my third missed target this week.I looked twice at a few along the way and as a fellow blogger I am reluctant to biff QCs even on days off.

    Horryd Shanghai has posted the correct interpretation 8ac pointing out there are two types of blade involved. This sort of clue is effectively a riddle and I’m often unsure whether that categorises it as &lit or cryptic, but that’s a side issue.

    On CURTAIN RAISER I have my doubts about the first definition because I don’t know what mechanisms are in use these days if Nick’s burly blokes have been replaced. I assume some sort of electronic or mechanical device involving counterweights is tucked away somewhere and this is as likely to be in the wings as anywhere else

    SA/IT is a fact of cryptic crossword life that needs to be learnt if one is going to progress.

    Edited at 2016-04-06 06:12 am (UTC)

  7. “The question is” said Alice “whether you can make a word mean so many different things” “It” and words like it mean so many different things that the compiler can do anything with “it” I think that it is time has come when we should ban words like it.

    Edited at 2016-04-06 09:01 am (UTC)

    1. Don’t know if setters read this humble blog, but the QC is a “gateway” puzzle for the big boy 15×15. So should limit the use of arcane codes such as OBS and SA from today’s puzzle.
    2. I think the immediate precursor is Humpty Dumpty saying….”when I use a word it means what I choose it too”. Which could be a setters’ motto!
  8. Took me 18 mins which is way outside my target time. Ugly curtain raiser was fine, also lawn mower (because of the two different types of blade) but it just took me ages to ‘see’ them. I didn’t manage to parse manhandle. And obscured took me ages too, followed by a Homer Simpson moment when I remembered that posh boys schools have OB associations. Since I went to a girl’s comp, not really something in my personal experience…
  9. Newcomer to crosswords here – this post cleared up a number of my confusions with today’s puzzle, thanks. But would someone mind explaining why organ = newspaper and main = sea? I just can’t see it.
    1. There’s not to much to say about main = sea, as it just does. SOED has MAIN as 5 a The high seas, the open ocean. If you’ve heard of the Spanish Main that might help.

      Similarly organ = newspaper actually. Here’s the relevant SOED entry: ORGAN: A means or medium of communication; spec. a newspaper or journal which serves as the mouthpiece of a particular party, movement, etc.

      Edited at 2016-04-06 09:34 am (UTC)

      1. I think the Spanish Main refers to the mainland, not the sea – I remember looking this up for a previous blog when I was trying (and failing) to give an example of the sea=main equivalence.
        1. I think that’s correct originally but Spanish Main now also refers to the sea. Collins has: 2 – the Caribbean Sea, the S part of which in colonial times was the route of the Spanish treasure galleons and haunt of pirates.

          One talks of “sailing the Spanish Main”.

          1. An expression like “sailing the Spanish Main” could refer to either the mainland or the sea, as you can talk of “sailing the east coast” even though the coast is land not sea.

            Chambers has “mainland” and “high sea” as separate definitions for main – it looked to me as though the Spanish Main (when used to describe the sea in those parts) was simply an association with the original meaning of Spanish Main (i.e. the mainland) rather than a derivation from the sea meaning of main, so I’d been hoping to find a common example of the sea usage of main that had arisen purely from the sea definition. Sure, it doesn’t matter for the purposes of answering the clue but I thought it was a nuance worth mentioning – others may disagree 🙂

  10. Oh well said blogger! You sum up my experience and reactions absolutely. Fun but left one feeling just slightly cheated. Perhaps that’s unfair on Pedro, but it was how I felt when I finished as it still felt as if there was more to do.
  11. An ORGAN is an ‘instument’ for passing on nesw and other information.(Chambers)

    Any fewl nose MAIN is a large sea – SPANISH MAIN (Shak. and Milton)

    horryd Shanghai

  12. I thought this was a good challenge – especially some of the parsing as discussed above. However I have to register another DNF – which is becoming all too regular it seems. For my LOI 14a I put wearing, which is an alternative to tacking I believe, with ‘ear’ for not quite sound. To be fair it felt a bit tenuous at the time. Whaling seems like a far more obvious answer now that I’ve see it!
  13. I found this more tricky than I expected, mostly because of some of the parsing problems others seem to have experienced.
    Sierra I took to be I ERR in the country South Africa with Sierra being a mountainous region as in Sierra Nevada
    Curtain Raiser I had no problem with having had a daughter who worked backstage in school productions. And yes the answer is that it is a pulley mechanism situated in the wings cranked by hand (or it was in my daughter’s school theatre anyway)
    Lawn Mower I never parsed, but yes I suppose the blades of the machine clashing with the blades of the grass is a possible explanation.
    All good fun
    Playuppompey
  14. Not on Pedro’s wavelength for ages today, so this was hard going – over the hour mark. IT/SA is new to me, so that certainly didn’t help with 16d. Invariant
  15. Well, this is easily the quickest time I’ve solved a QC (20 minutes) and yet I found it very hard work! The answers seemed to pop into my head but the parsing I found tortuous and awkward but doable. Although I did fail completely to parse 14d just going on checkers, and I also took SA to be the country not worrying whether SIERRA could work as mountainous on its own. If I ever thought that one day I could blog the solution to a QC this one has put me off forever!
  16. Nick – congratulations on one of the best blogs – as much fun as the crossword itself.

    Philip

    PS I went to a girl’s comprehenisve, but I got found out . . .

  17. Funnily enough I was planning to mow the lawn this afternoon; but we have just had a very heavy shower;so I’ll be stuck inside with the crosswords.
    This QC took me 16 minutes and presented no real problems except I too could not parse 8a and 16d; but I was sure both answers were right.So thanks Nick for great job. My LOI was 19a. No really difficult words or phrases today.
    I have already managed most of the bottom half of today’s main puzzle so it must be easier than most. David
    1. Unspammed. right.So did for it, David. Maybe shower;so too – I’m not sure about semicolons.
  18. I found this obscure and really hard work. It took over an hour in three sittings (is it just me or is a second sitting the solution when you have got off on the wrong foot with some clues?)
    I am not sure this tough is going to tempt me to try the 15×15 – a confidence reducer.
    Thanks for the blog which made most things clear.
  19. Wiki tells me that IT Girl has Sex Appeal and dates from the turn of the century (20th century that is!!) But modern IT Girl dates from 1990s and latest IT Girl film is a documentary of 2002, rather up to date!

    And on Clashes, of course the clue is good. But for amusement, the excellent James May ‘REASSEMBLE’ new series on BBC TV has him rebuilding a 1950s Suffolk Colt lawnmower. He uses choice words and might have responded to the idea of any clashes, mower on grass or blade on blade – the mower cuts and the blades ‘whisper’!

  20. Indeed tricky, and needed lots of biffing. But thanks to all of you bloggers, much is now clearer e.g. 21d man. don’t we say High Sierra…will have to file away IT=SA. 6d refuge raised a smile for me. I agree that having a restart can give e fresh impetus to the solve, but sometimes just reminds me of that blank wall I left at the earlier attempt. Some good challenging clues today – even 3a where first I fancied former = ex…. but turned out to be not so. I consider 8a to be a case of artful mis-direction with slicing being the blade action rather than clashing, but ok by me (since I biffed correctly!)

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