Due to considerable difficulty breaking into the NW corner, and a couple of other spiky clues, I finished in a respectable but above average time. I thought some of the anagrams (and indicators) were lovely. I only had to look up one piece of vocabulary post-solve. Did anyone else go searching for 27dn early on…?
Definitions underlined.
| Across | |
| 1 | Continental fellow in Scotland perhaps, carrying twisted fibre (8) |
| EUROPEAN – EUAN (fellow in Scotland, perhaps) containg (carrying) ROPE (twisted fibre). | |
| 5 | Live with copper — 27, possibly (4) |
| CUBE – BE (live) with CU (copper). | |
| 7 | Longing to remove initiator of political clean-up (4) |
| URGE – pURGE (political clean-up) missing its first letter (to remove initiator). | |
| 8 | Going on for ever about unidentified person outside (8) |
| EXTERNAL – ETERNAL (going on forever) containing (about) X (unknown person). | |
| 9 | Sentimental type initially involved with Marconi (8) |
| ROMANTIC – anagram of (involved) the first letter of (initially) Type and (with) MARCONI. | |
| 11 | Religious female going backwards and forwards (3) |
| NUN – palindromic (going backwards and forwards) religious female. | |
| 13 | Rodney relaxed over there (6) |
| YONDER – anagram of (relaxed) RODNEY. | |
| 16 | Get even with archdeacon in maturity (6) |
| AVENGE – VEN (Venerable, honorific for archdeacon) in AGE (maturity). | |
| 18 | Greek character returned and dined (3) |
| ATE – ETA (Greek character) reversed (returned). | |
| 19 | Sound money getting father something to suck (8) |
| LOLLIPOP – sounds like (sound) “lolly” (money) then POP (father). | |
| 20 | A chap crossing Morecambe, maybe, one from the States (8) |
| AMERICAN – A MAN (a chap) containing (crossing) ERIC (Morecambe, maybe). | |
| 22 | Knowledgeable about Shintoism? Not entirely (4) |
| INTO – hidden in (not entirely) shINTOism. | |
| 23 | Responsibility of bachelor abandoning extra benefit (4) |
| ONUS – B (bachelor) removed from (abandoning) bONUS (extra benefit). | |
| 24 | Change too much? About time to retire! (8) |
| OVEREDIT – OVER (about) and TIDE (time) reversed (to retire). | |
| Down | |
| 1 | Key question about king’s personal attendant (7) |
| EQUERRY – E (random musical key) and QUERY (question) containing (about) R (Rex, king). Tricky stuff. | |
| 2 | I’m in surrogate ruler’s section of army (8) |
| REGIMENT – I’M inside REGENT (surrogate ruler). | |
| 3 | English reader, a Liberal, relating to voters (9) |
| ELECTORAL – E (English), LECTOR (reader), A, and L (liberal). This was my missing vocab; a lector is a church reader or university lecturer. | |
| 4 | Obsessive person in teachers’ union (3) |
| NUT – National Union of Teachers (teachers’ union). Solidarity. | |
| 5 | Vivid red vehicle belonging to this compiler (7) |
| CARMINE – CAR (vehicle) and MINE (belonging to this compiler). Not your everyday colour but familiar enough, to me at least. | |
| 6 | Like invigorating air beginning to boost activity at Epsom? (7) |
| BRACING – first letter of (beginning to) Boost, then RACING (activity at Epsom). | |
| 10 | Confront Helen, a GLC eccentric (9) |
| CHALLENGE – anagram of (eccentric) HELEN A GLC. | |
| 12 | University man receiving old writing implement still in wrapping (8) |
| UNOPENED – U (university) and NED (man) containing (receiving) O (old) and PEN (writing implement). | |
| 14 | A Roman senator originally abandoned one on the river (7) |
| OARSMAN – anagram of (abandoned) A ROMAN and the first letter from (originally) Senator. My first thought was that I needed a Roman senator xOARSMAN missing his first. Thankfully not. | |
| 15 | Just rewards — puddings. by the sound of it (7) |
| DESERTS – sounds like (by the sounds of it) “desserts” (puddings). | |
| 17 | Take advantage of former plan to tour India (7) |
| EXPLOIT – EX (former) and PLOT (plan) containing (to tour) I (india, phonetic alphabet). | |
| 21 | Imitate a dove? Goodness me (3) |
| COO – double definition. | |
Edited at 2021-02-10 06:01 am (UTC)
LOI CUBE with 27 providing misdirection. 27 seems a good choice for the canonical cube, imagine how we would have complained if the setter had chosen 8 or 64.
COD EQUERRY
LOI 14D: OARSMAN
Pleasant challenge. Thank you, william_j_s and Orpheus
Thanks to william
Edited at 2021-02-10 09:00 am (UTC)
Liked BRACING, EQUERRY, ONUS, LOLLIPOP
Could not parse EUROPEAN LOI but guessed.
FOI CARMINE
Thanks as ever, William. Yes, I did search for Clue 27! But still don’t understand why cube=27.
Edited at 2021-02-10 10:32 am (UTC)
Edited at 2021-02-10 11:43 am (UTC)
Salmon (in cream, garlic and coriander sauce) for dinner last night so left the Grand Cru unopened and went for NV Bollinger to celebrate winning a sizeable project against strong US competitor. Good to see UK government investing in UK for a change.
Not sure I fully understand what the word person is doing in the clue for 8A External, but at least the answer did not depend on it.
COD to 24A Overedit, not least because the clue gave me not one but two PDMs, first when I realised that About = Over and second when I connected Time and Tide, as in the pair Eastertime/Eastertide. Both not exactly new to me but neither came quickly so double pleasure when they did.
Many thanks to William for the blog
Cedric
I too spent an age looking for an anagram of fibre to insert into the clue.
I enjoyed this one and, like many I suspect, pondered long and hard trying, unnecessarily as it turned out, to unscramble ‘FIBRE’ in 1a. And I still can’t see where the opening ‘E’ in 1d ‘EQUERRY’ comes from. Still I managed to finish with no mistakes so I was happy.
If anything I was a bit too quick this morning as i had only just finished my porridge and hadn’t even picked up my mug of coffee when I completed.
I must be careful to take longer tomorrow.
Edited at 2021-02-10 09:35 am (UTC)
Edited at 2021-02-10 09:41 am (UTC)
Same as everyone else on FIBRE and 27. EUROPEAN unparsed; ditto OVEREDIT my LOI
Some neat clues
Liked the unusual grid
Thanks all
Last two were EUROPEAN, where I too was looking for tweed or something: and LOI EXTERNAL which took me ages to deconstruct. Did not parse Overedit.
COD to Equerry. About 13 minutes on paper.
David
The Middle Class?
20+ SCC Slow Crossword Club
10 — 20 MCC Median (Middle or Middling?) Crossword Club (or, perhaps, ACC Average Crossword Club)
5 — 10 FCC Fast Crossword Club
<5 SSCC SuperSonic Crossword Club
Perhaps we should consider a term for those who no longer care — SCCC Slacker Cracker Crossword Club ( in response to slackercracker’s post above (which crystallises a position taken by many solvers over the years). 😎
I’m sure that other posters can do much better…. John
Edited at 2021-02-10 10:41 am (UTC)
I agree with you and have have often taken the line you take. I have posted over the years, and very recently, to say similar things.
However, something often draws back me to add something about my time. Perhaps it is an innate sense of competitiveness or maybe a wish to express a similar reaction to (and solidarity with) other solvers (like therotter) with whom I have some affinity and often share ‘ballpark’ times.
I have no wish to call any solver a slacker. That would be unreasonable and insulting. I simply liked the post above from another poster who styles himself ‘slackercracker’. Hence the use of SC. It is only a bit of fun.
P.s. Unfortunately, since you have now replied to my post I can no longer alter my wording……..
Edited at 2021-02-10 11:17 am (UTC)
To be honest, I really don’t care what acronym others may want to put me into. I enjoy doing these QC and blogging about it, and no amount of insults or being placed into a group will deter me. If people get off on lording it over others because they were quicker than other solvers, and placing them into groups, then that’s just up to their intellect I suppose. Perhaps they do it to make up for some other deficiency elsewhere.
Edited at 2021-02-10 11:54 am (UTC)
Sorry all. I’ll get my titfer. John.
This apparent false modesty used to wind some of us up but we gradually realised that this blog is largely made up of comments from mutually supportive and considerate posters. We developed a sense of perspective and just made the odd friendly comment about ‘neutrinos’ and the like from time to time. I don’t think any bloggers here ‘delight in making slower solvers feel incompetent’ and I think you would find that there would be a backlash from reasonable bloggers if there was any hint that this was happening. We are a friendly lot.
It is the sort of banter that is common on blogs such as this. It is not to be taken personally.
If casual remarks, made ‘on the hoof’ without deep prior thought (and/or with humorous intent) are to be outlawed, then the blog will not last long. I hope you will accept that we are a very mixed ability group and try to take posts in the spirit in which they are intended. Ignore those whose posts you feel don’t suit. We are not all new solvers any more and the blog must cover all levels of experience. I would not be here if I thought that there was any intention by some solvers to put down other solvers.
I trust that your solving skills will continue to improve and that you will continue to get sustenance (and entertainment) from this blog. Good luck with both. It works well for most of us. John.
Edited at 2021-02-10 01:03 pm (UTC)
You have had more positive direct replies than anyone since you started blogging so you are perhaps being a bit sensitive amongst a very broad group of fellow solvers of all levels. Not all comments apply equally to everyone.
I was amused to see a comment in The Other Blog re super fast speeds on the 15×15, saying –
“I feel like I wouldn’t enjoy the crossword so much if I polished it off in three minutes. I imagine it being like downing a fine wine. Fortunately for me it’s never going to happen.”
My thoughts exactly, on both aspects! SCC — Savouring Cryptic Clues. Enjoy, and let others enjoy in their own way too.
Time to complete is almost meaningless for me as I have to dip in and out during the day as it is hard for me to concentrate for long periods due to some cognitive issues. (Occasionally I time the sittings as with today (25 minutes, since you ask) and Monday (50 minutes)). My DNFs are becoming less frequent but still happen.
I’ve always taken SCC to be a mildly self-deprecating title adopted by the SC club members themselves. I take all the comments on the blog in that spirit and hope that you can, too.
Stephen
I know on the whole that people here are not deliberately trying to undermine or insult the less experienced people. Yet, it can be very disheartening and discouraging to see people being referred to as being in the “slow clubs” because they are less able to solve these crosswords, or do so in a vastly slower time than others.
However, I will try to not allow it to get to me. I guess after the incident the other week when I was called out by name as not being worthy to be here, I just feel a little on-guard.
Thanks again for your very kind words.
A lot of people quite rightly leapt to your defence the other week — there’s no room here for bullying, loads of room for support, and never forgetting a sense of humour. Good luck with your crossword challenge — each month that goes by will give you more experience and confidence. It took me more than six months to get my first completion without aids! You’ve got bags of time 😊
Edited at 2021-02-10 05:30 pm (UTC)
Forgive me if I add, for the benefit of others, that SCC is one of many shorthand terms that solvers of similar ability now use to compare each other’s reaction to the difficulty of a particular crossword. There is no implication about the abilities of others and it does avoid posting precise times. One soon discovers solvers that share an approach and a level of expertise. It is always good to find ‘like minds’ and to see how they found a particular QC.
And this is a very broad church. John
Edited at 2021-02-10 05:16 pm (UTC)
After 5 minutes I thought I was really going to struggle with this, but after swapping corners things started to fall into place — completing in a satisfying 16mins after correcting my initial spelling of Lollypop.
I think I’ve seen 5dn “Carmine” recently as I’m sure I had the same dilemma of whether I could biff Crimson. Liked 1dn “Equerry”, 6dn “Bracing” (it certainly is at the moment) and 12dn “Unopened”. Misread 19ac at first thinking it was “something stuck” which caused a few issues, whilst 21dn brought back memories of Reeves and Mortimer.
FOI — 4dn “Nut”
LOI — 5dn “Carmine”
COD — 5ac “Cube”
Thanks as usual.
This meant that I didn’t see those 3 chaps, Euan, Eric and Ned, until William pointed them out. It also saved me from too much twisting of fibre in 1 across, from finding the king in EQUERRY, his surrogate in REGIMENT, and the abandoned Roman in OARSMAN. This was just as well with the latter clue because I would have been bamboozled by the anagrind, abandoned, being separated from the anagrist by the word senator.
Thanks William, for casting light on all the dark corners. And thanks too to orpheus
FOI: 11a NUN
LOI: 23a ONUS
Setter: Orpheus
Clues Answered Correctly without aids: 20
Clues Answered with Aids (3 lives): 1 (1a)
Clues Unanswered: 5 (5a, 16a, 1d, 6d, 14d)
Wrong Answers: Nil
Total Correctly Answered (incl. aids): 21/26
Aids Used: Chambers, Bradfords
I did not get to finish this one, but I am finding that I am able to get further now without using aids, which gives me a confidence boost.
15d – JUST DESERTS. I got confused here for a while as I always thought the spelling was JUST DESSERTS, but it didn’t fit. Initially I wondered if the setter had made a mistake and had spelled desserts incorrectly. But I realised that the setters do not often make mistakes and therefore it must be on my part. I entered JUST DESERTS and then Googled the phrase. I read there that the phrase is commonly misspelled with SS.
5a CUBE. I quickly got the two letters C U (periodic copper), but it was the 27 that threw me. Though somebody else in the comments above mentioned they were confused with cube, and another gave the answer of 3x3x3, I am still none the wiser. Was 27 used because it was a specific cubed number, or was it used by the setter as one of many cubed numbers he could have used? I initially thought of Roman Numerals when I saw the 27, but XXVII makes no sense, and has too many letters anyway.
5d CARMINE – When the setter said “vehicle belonging to this compiler”, I noted his name to be Orpheus, and all I kept thinking of was RED PILL. But, obviously, that would not fit the answer.
Over the past two days I have been having a bash of the Daily Telegraph cryptic, and have not been doing too bad. I answered 20 of 28 (some aids used) on Monday, and 24 of 30 (again, some aids used) yesterday. I like BIg Dave’s blog on the DT cryptic as he gives you a further clue to each clue on his blog, with a button you have to click to reveal the answer. Most helpful. One day I will be able to tackle and blog the Times 15×15.
I always check the name of the setter as well. But it never seems to appear: always some First Person pronoun fits. Shame, setters are missing a trick here.
I’m guessing the setter was trying to be a little helpful. Had he/she used 8, doubtless there would have been a lot of head-scratching about what C*B* word could equate to EXTERNAL, the answer to 8a. There being no 27, across or down, tells the solver to think in other ways. 27 is the lowest cube after 8. A higher number (e.g. 24389 being 29*29*29) is less likely to have been recognised as a cube.
N.B. Mrs R smashed it in 14 minutes (almost her best ever time).
Many thanks to william_j_s for his blog, and to Orpheus (whom I often refer to as Awfulus, given my poor track record with his puzzles) for a challenging and enjoyable QC.