24703 – don’t miss this one

Solving time: 7:31

This was a fairly straightforward puzzle – possibly my quickest Times cryptic since doing them online as my normal routine. Still room for improvement, as I typed 15D incorrectly (or “iignorantly” if you like) twice over, forcing the fairly easy 22 to be my last answer. From memory, 10 and 11 were the clues that got the ball rolling. There are some really good clues here, with 2D alone worth any money you paid for this puzzle.

A question before we start: Now that the Times Crossword Club site has a leaderboard showing the best 100 times and scores for each of the crosswords covered here (barring Mephisto), and a “cryptics” 30-day leaderboard based on average scores for puzzles that we cover; do you want any information about these scores to be shown here? My gut feeling is that those who care about these times and scores will probably be club members already, so we don’t need to repeat them – we already have a clear indication of the difficulty of a puzzle from our own times and successes or failures. But speak up if you disagree – bearing in mind that collecting the information is extra work for someone.

Using those times and scores as an initial assessment of difficulty, this one looks quite tricky – only 3 sub-30 times so far (23 entries)

Those of you waiting for a crossword pub gathering outside London: click on “Previous Entry” for the answer to your dreams. (I was going to just announce it in this report, but a separate announcement is easier to find if you need it a few weeks from now.)

Across
1 PAN(PIP = stone, of cherry or similar)ES – I left this one to come from checkers and just had to reject the BAGPIPES (not difficult for an Englishman who likes music – he says, running for cover)
9 CARRY-OUT – very nicely done double def – “Kind of meal one can bear” and “to complete” (for the hyphenless version)
10 CASINO – a card game as well as the obvious
11 FOR CERTAIN = (refraction)*
12 CANT = a secret language, e.g. of thieves, sounding (indisputably, I hope) like Immanuel Kant.
13 SONGWRITER = (tries wrong)* – def punning on “numbers” = songs
16 A = a, SCE(p)TIC = “penniless (person full of doubt)”
17 SIGN = subscribe, IF = although (e.g. “the puzzle was fair if difficult”), Y = “ultimately very”
20 SCREEN = broadcast, TEST = big match, with the “player” switching from jock to thesp for the cryptic reading
22 RANK = “it could be major”, “row”, and “creating stink”
23 NONSTARTER – straight and whimsical defs
25 IN(T)UIT – the Inuit being the ultimate “Northerners”, and “over time” being interpreted in the one-dimensional context of an answer written in a grid.
26 SNOWBALL = “quickly grow” and this bush
27 E = Eng., VERY, ONE = united
 
Down
2 ANAGRAMS – (stuck one)* = (‘s neck out)* – a very cleverly made clue
3 PRIVATE = soldier, EYE (vb.) = keep watch on
4 PROFESSION – double def
5 S(COR = French for horn, or musical jargon/slang for various kinds of instrument called “cor” in French)ING
6 today’s one for you to find for yourself
7 COBALT = metal – AB reversed in Colt = gun
8 S = small, TIN = can, GRAY = poet – doubtless this one though “Gray poet” on wikipedia finds you several others
14 WHIST DRIVE – CD with “partners” and “deals” as the key misleading words. Potentially difficult for US solvers as I don’t think you have Whist or Beetle drives in your equivalent of the village hall
15 IGNORANTLY = (trying loan)*
16 ARSONIST = criminal – A = a, then SIN rev. in sort*
18 F, UNCTION = ointment – if like me you only remember “unction” from “extreme unction” (the phrase, not the experience!), this wiki article should bridge the gap
19 REP = theatre, TILE = piece played, in Scrabble or similar
21 RANSOM = (Romans)* – “ready to release prisoner” being the well-worked definition
24 AWAY – the kind of games for which you need coaches with wheels, as well as ones with tracksuits.

49 comments on “24703 – don’t miss this one”

  1. 48 minutes. What a first rate puzzle! Cleverly hidden definitions, misleading wordplay; this really blew the cobwebs away. Too many good clues to single out one for special praise, but 2 down was certainly worth the mental contortions when the Aha! moment finally arrived.
  2. This took me almost all of my Underground /Overground trip today, so not easy for me at about 30 minutes. Fully agree with the encomium heaped on ANAGRAMS – but it took me forever to get, looking for a past tense ending in S, for example. Also got stuck in the SW, not knowing SNOWBALL as a bush (in BRB it’s a snowball tree, but that’s not an excuse), and I didn’t much like AWAY’s clue. Otherwise, lots of really good stuff here, with several that would make CoD on a more prosaic day.
  3. 3 in a row needing aids to finish, so not a happy bunny this week. Had SNOWDROP for no good reason, only corrected once solver gave me REPTILE. REPTILE revealed the brilliant AWAY (each to his own), my joint COD with SIGNIFY. Fruitlessly spent some time searching for an anagram in 2 but stuck ANAGRAMS in as it seemed more likely than AMALGAMS. Dispirited by PB’s time (again) but consoled by the quality of the puzzle, ditto the last 2.
  4. I found the eastern hemisphere very easy and had it finished in about 10 minutes. The western took about 15 minutes (so a pretty standard 25 minute total) and the key to that was 1A of course once I stopped trying to make those magnificent instruments the bagpipes fit and concentrated on the wordplay.

    I don’t much like 23A because a NON-STARTER can occur in all sorts of endeavours so it’s an unsigned definition by example. I think 21D should be “readies”. I like 16A ASCETIC which is rather clever.

  5. 48:9 for me. I think I got brain-shock on this one (from 1d) as some very straightforward clues (19d, 24d)took ages. I think I agree about Club scores, those who care will find them anyway.
    1. Oh, how I agree with you! The discussions on the Club site are already bogged down with that sort of stuff. I come here for something different.
  6. Puzzled through this in about 30 straightforward minutes – give or take two for an interruption. Got slightly stuck on ANAGRAMS at the end, but otherwise nothing too taxing.

    Deprived of PC and printer, I did the last couple of crosswords direct from the Times newspaper application on an iPad. The crossword function in the app is basic but does the job. As well as timing you, it highlights any mistakes after you have finished, which is a nice little freebie.

  7. Catastrophe – dnf. The wonderful Anagrams, and Snowball and Reptile did for me. Half an hour till those three and the same again getting nowhere with them. An hour is about my limit on this Earth to give to the activity in a day – after all, there’s the Su Doku etc. calling.
  8. I had all bar four in the SW in 30 minutes, finally staggering across the line with the pesky 4-letter AWAY after pencilling in AAAA (by analogy with AAA) – the American “three As” – in desperation. REPTILE and SNOWBALL also held me up for an eternity. Liked all of these, as well as many others, but COD to EVERYONE, on account of the rarity value of pronouns and other grammatical words.

    80 minutes. Grrrrr. And fell into the ‘bagpipes’ trap too, I now see.

  9. I found this hard to complete. Most of it went in straight away but I put ASSASSIN in 16d instead of ARSONIST which mucked up the SW corner for ages. I spent a further 15 minutes wrestling with 2d. Finally finished in 55 minutes. Relieved to finish at all!
  10. Ran out of time on the commute (so about an hour) with five answers missing RH. On arrival at work I used aids to get REPTILE at 19dn and was then able to finish off the SW (SNOWBALL and AWAY).

    That left me with 2dn and 12ac outstanding where I needed to look up KANT once I had thought of CANT. Never heard of him before.

    Pondered long and hard over 2dn and then used a solver to look for alternatives to ANAGRAMS but didn’t find any. Nor did I find out why ANAGRAMS was correct before coming here.

    Some of this was really easy but the later debacle is what I shall remember about this one.

    1. >KANT… Never heard of him before.

      Don’t let George hear you say that. This is where I learned all my names of philosophers from, and Kant is first:

      Philosophy song

      1. A favourite song of mine too, and the first lullaby I mumbled to my baby daughter some 19 years ago! She completed Philosophy at HSC (A-Levels equivalent).
  11. Thought I was on for a record time for a few brief minutes, before coming a cropper at the end. Couldn’t see the non-racing horse – as jimbo seems to be suggesting, shouldn’t it be hyphenated? – nor could I figure out how 2dn worked until reading PB’s explanation. So, beaten all ends up today and heading back to the pavilion with my bat tucked under my arm…
  12. Oh great, two in a row… made pretty decent progress until the only thing left was W?I?T DRIVE and no clue on wordplay. Never heard of WHIST DRIVE so I put in WAIST DRIVE thinking the gathering might have something to do with clothing.
  13. I found it a challenging puzzle today, but more satisfying, as there didn’t seem to be as much unfamiliar vocabulary as yesterday, and the wordplay seemed for the most part more straightforward.

    However, having said that, still a DNF, as ANAGRAMS was way too clever for me! Definitely needed Peter’s explanation for that one, thanks.

    PS Can thoroughly recommend planting snowball viburnums (vibernum opulus) in the garden – they look absolutely stunning when in flower, and need very little looking after!

  14. Unlike Peter I found this far from straightforward and recorded my slowest time since starting to solve online (35:17).

    The problem areas were anagrams/ascetic and most of the SW.

    I’m with Zabadak in finding away rather weak but elsewhere there were some superb defintions such as ready to release prisoner, kind of meal one can bear and one who works with numbers. COD to signify though.

  15. 52:37 – Some excellent stuff here. With probably the last 20 minutes looking at the last four (26/16a/22/2 – in the order they fell).

    Finally put in 2 without understanding, thinking there must be a pair of anagrams in there somewhere, but just couldn’t find them. Thanks to Peter for pointing them out. Also made an identical fat-fingered mistake to PB at 15, writing IGNOTANTLY, then staring at T-N- for 10 minutes before spotting the error.

    Still, under an hour without aids or mistakes, so a win nonetheless.

  16. DNF – All but 2D completed in 6:30 and then a mental block. Even resorting to aids and seeing ANAGRAMS as a possibility I could not see how it would work.

    Too clever for me today.

  17. Did finish, technically. But ANAGRAMS was just a guess. Apart from Barry’s AMALGAMS, there’s also ARABIANS; and I didn’t like either of those.
    There should be dispute on the pronunciation of “Kant”. It’s certainly not pronounced like “Cant” in German. It’s more like another word I sincerely hope never to find in a Times crossword. Or, for some at least, more like “can’t” in RP. Try this.
    1. I didn’t want to be the one quibbling anout phonetics with Pete again, but you have a point: RP has the front vowel in ‘can’t’; but I’ve heard some (rather donnish) English-speaking types on the radio using the back vowel in ‘Kant’, which does sound rather rude.
      1. OK, you’re right in terms of correct pronunciation. But I still think at least 95% of Brits would naturally pronounce it the Monty Python way.
    2. And don’t forget the Alaskans, mctext, or you’ll have Ms Palin after you, so to speak.
  18. 36:40 .. Some terrific clues – all been said above.

    Peter – re. bagpipes. If you ever come to Nova Scotia, bring earplugs. In fact, after your comment on 1a you should definitely avoid the town of New Glasgow, where I imagine your name will now be on some sort of list.

    Last in: AWAY. COD: ANAGRAMS

    1. Scottish, but I’m with Pete. The bagpipes are like one’s relatives: excellent in the distance.
    2. I wasn’t entirely serious – a piper played the most moving live funeral music I’ve ever heard, and a bloke playing outside his tent on the banks of Loch Etive was a magical moment too. But the Scots lad at school playing his pipes indoors as part of a “demonstrate your instrument” series organised by the music master was a definite earplug moment which has never quite gone away. New Glasgow should get itself twinned with Barga if it isn’t already.
      1. You and Joe are right, of course. The skirl of the pipes at the Queen Mum’s funeral (Gawd bless ‘er) reduced me to a quivering wreck. The pipes sure have their moments.

        We had Billy Connolly in town the other night. He has a soft spot for Nova Scotia, I think, but he did a withering riff on the ‘professional Scotsmen’ of the world.

        1. Shylock had it about right:
          Some men there are love not a gaping pig,
          Some that are mad if they behold a cat,
          And others, when the bagpipe sings i’ th’ nose,
          Cannot contain their urine.
  19. Add me to the list of those who found this quite difficult – over an hour, with the SW corner last to fall, and that with a cheat for 26ac (where I got too hung up on SHOOTA.L).

    Stumbled slightly on the way with a stab at WORLD TRADE for 14d, which swiftly proved wrong, and did myself no favours for an age on 8d by insisting that the answer was the name of a poet with TUNA stuck somewhere in the middle.

  20. Gave up after half an hour with 1d unsolved.Pretty good for someone who solves one or two every day! So no doubt about my COD. I bow to the setter and all the rest of you who got this.
  21. A DNF for me, getting all but 2D, which I still don’t understand even after coming here. John
    1. Clue: Stuck one’s neck out when split in two, for example (8)

      If you take the 16-letter phrase “Stuck one’s neck out” and split it into two equal parts, you get “stuck one” and “‘s neck out”, which are anagrams of each other.

  22. About 30 minutes for all but REPTILE, WHIST DRIVE and ANAGRAMS, which fell in that order over the next 15 minutes or so. WHIST DRIVE was a guess from the checking letters, although I was fairly sure WHIST was the first part due to the partners and deals in the wordplay. As said above, no, we don’t have those over here. I’ll admit to simply being thick about REPTILE, and I finally figured out the ANAGRAMS by writing out all the letters in ‘Stuck ones neck out’ and matching them up. I then tried to anagrammise ‘STUCKONE’ to see if there was an extra part of the clue hiding in there, but ‘unsocket’ was the best I could do. Tomorrow is the US Thanksgiving holiday, so a happy one to all the other Yanks, expats, etc. Thanks to the setter, this was very good, and regards to everyone.
  23. 34 minutes, if you don’t count 2d; I’d imagine it would have been something like 14 hours, 34 minutes if I had ever got it. A DNF, but at least I have the consolation that I didn’t have to say to myself, “You blithering idiot! It was staring you in the face!”–a common enough experience, alas.
  24. Its a rare day that I read through here late in an afternoon and find a stone unturned, so perhaps what I am about to say is a mistake, but….

    …shouldn’t 23A use “nor” rather than “or” ? I cant get it to work logically as it is, since the dash creates two parts to the text such that “not” cannot apply to the second part. I know the setters are allowed to confuse with punctuation, but I am not sure in this case that is reasonable. Any thoughts?

    1. My thought, for what it’s worth: it is confusing, presumably by design, but not unreasonably so. With ‘nor’ it would be unambiguous; with ‘or’ it’s a bit sloppy but people talk like that in real life.
      1. Sloppy or not, I can’t think of a real-life sentence saying “A is not a B, nor a C” instead of “A is not a B, or a C”. I’d expect “A is neither a B nor a C”, or “A is not a B, nor is it a C”, if the word “nor” was to be part of the sentence.
  25. Just snuck in under 50 min for this one. I actually tried aids after half an hour, but they were no help at all! so in the end I did it myself, making my supper very late in the process. 2d was a late arrival, but at least I did understand it before coming here (proud little bow). The real trouble was the SNOWBALL/AWAY/REPTILE combo, as many others have said.
  26. You’re right of course, but much the same can be said of many wind instruments – a word like trombone allows for a range of types, but most people think of a particular example. In the case of bagpipes, that’s the Scottish warpipes.

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