24655 – a cliché is born?

Solving time: 10:48

A curious mixture this one – a bit old-school in having five double definitions, which some may say is too many – I didn’t mind, as only one of them had a two-word clue, which can be rather a give-away. I did mind a couple of other things, but there’s some lively wordplay and words that we don’t see too often. Answers entered without full wordplay understanding were 1, 25, 3.

Across
1 TAP(WAT)ER – I don’t think we’ve had wat as in Angkor Wat before, but I think we might see it again. How about “Do observance in Temple Church (5)”
6 HOARSE = “horse” – a homophone that surely works for every one
9 NO LIME = “shortage of fruit”,TANGER(in)E = “orange less popular” – a very nice bit of work from the setter. “noli me tangere” literally means “do not touch me”, and I hope is either familiar or easy to translate – “tangent” and “tangible” should help with “tangere”. It’s also another name for a plant called touch-me-not, so gardeners don’t need any Latin here
10 GLOWER – 2 defs – a minor quibble here with “at” in “Frown at” – unless glower can be a transitive verb, this has to be a wordplay/def link, and “{def} at {def}” doesn’t really work for me.
11 ATYPICAL – (play Act I)*
13 A(D=daughter,MINI=skirt)STER
15 CAGE – 2 def’s, one referring to John Cage’s notorious 4’33” – I’m sure we’ve linked to that before, so here is the man himself on sounds and silence
16 PLOT – 2 defs again, linked by “for” this time, which suits me much better than “at”
18 CHIM(PAN(Z)E)E – this manages to break the “‘unknown’ nearly always means Y” rule of thumb, which is good, but I don’t like “window” as a clue to PANE – as far as I can tell, a pane is part of a window, so this doesn’t make sense
21 STRESSED = “exerted pressure”- reversal of DESSERTS = “lemon meringue pie and sticky toffee pudding” – I wonder whether the people who grumble about definition by example will accept that giving two examples makes it clear that they must be examples
22 SPRUCE – 2 defs, one using “barked” to mean “furnished with bark”.
23 NORWAY LOBSTER (a.k.a. Dublin Bay prawn, langoustine, scampi) = (boys on trawler)* – a nice bit of anagram discovery
25 C(allow),Y(oun)G,NET=make – this should be easy as “young wings” doesn’t really ring true in the surface (though I got it from checkers and “young bird”)
26 ENTI(RE=about)TY – a couple of tricks are used here to try to confuse you – a container clue involving a synonym of a containment indicator as the “containee”, and the final “to be eaten” which is the real containment indicator, but could conceivably be “to be” as a wordplay/def link, and then a def.
 
Down
2 ANNE=girl,LID=top – yes there are lots of girls to choose from, but not that many worms
3 WOLF-WHISTLE = attention-seeker – WHIST=game, in rev. of (ELF=spirit, LOW=degrading)
4 TIM(b)ER – timber being one meaning of deal
5 RETRACT – rev. of carter = deliveryman, (nigh)T
6 HONEYTRAP = “planted lovely”, with “lovely” in its cheesy old colloquial sense – “an attractive woman or girl” – H(ollyhocks),ONE,YTRAP=rev. of party = bunch (of people)
7 (p)ALE – if you’re going to complain about white=pale, check the first bullet under meaning 1 here
8 SHE=female,BANG=shot – the ‘s in the clue has to be read as “has”
12 INCINERATOR – ((f)IR(e),container)*
14 INCESSANT = endless – reversal of (A,SS) = “a ship), in INCENT(ive)
17 LA(TEN)CY – I’m not quite 100% convinced that lacy = sexy, but “figure-hugging” worked well
19 INDULGE = humour (vb.) = eluding*
20 EXCE((trouse)R)PT – the “trouser clip” in the surface reading may be a bicycle clip to you
22 SABOT = clog = shoe – reverse hidden in “photo basically” – third clothing reference in four clues
24 What, no omitted explanation yet? This must be it.

42 comments on “24655 – a cliché is born?”

  1. Ignominious failure here although in a hurry. Just dropped in to see how easy the experts found this. I have a complete and correct grid with all the answers understood. That was the good news. The bad news is that I used every aid available, electronic or otherwise. A class or 3 above me.
  2. Really enjoyed this puzzle.
    There are 2 typos in the blog, by the way, 5d is missing a T and 20d a P.
  3. Enjoyed this a lot (23m). I wonder how many others looked at 12dn thinking WOE (What On Earth)? Peter’s comments on the difficulties of 26ac are spot on re containment; but I didn’t see “container” (in 12) as part of the fodder until all the crossers were in. So it has to be my COD. Though I chuckled at CAGE (in a silent way).
  4. Enjoyed this though slow (about 45 minutes). A touch of the menagerie what with the cygnet, lobster, chimp, wolf, annelid, cage. Re the last, I think the 4’33” eventually will stand for the massive error of the age, artistically – confusing the frisson of a novelty with aesthetic experience. Must say I admire 9.
  5. serial cheating all the way, difficulty definitely beyond me. i think peter’s time is phenomenal.
  6. About 31 minutes here, either side of a nap on the train on the way to work. Not much sleep last night. I was far too tired to attempt it really, and couldn’t concentrate at all. Refreshed after my nap I finished it off quite quickly, and understood all the wordplay. Might have been a fairly quick solve if I’d been awake!
  7. 40 min here, needing help after 30 min to get HONEYTRAP and then the rest fell in. Last to arrive, and again biggest groan, was 9ac – I loved the sideswipe at Jeanette Winterson! 3d is a sort of &lit as well. Nice puzzle.
  8. Chaotic solving this morning due to Overground closures, so no real time. I think it would have been a bit over 20. Quite a few clues made me feel pretty smug once I’d got them, the Vulgate at 9 being one, the chimp being another. Bottom right corner put up most resistance, but possibly only because it was solved while hobbling around Stratford in search of a working route. Cod to NOLI…
  9. A Classical education scarcely helped me with 6ac, although I did at least get it eventually without aids. Depressingly, it was resort to aids rather less than half way through that kick-started my effort, with HONEYTRAP providing the ‘p’ that gave me the CHIMP. The rest, as they say, is history, if history at a pretty sedate pace, as I sputtered home in 75 minutes, with SABOT the only unknown, but quite a few wordplays still ravelled. COD to SHEBANG because it reminded me of a Hong Kong fellow who shot to stardom (even made films and appeared in TV shows) on the back of his extreme lack of talent.
  10. A real fun puzzle that I greatly enjoyed despite the odd quirks that Peter has mentioned (particularly pane=window).

    Luckily I knew “wat” from AZED/Mephisto because wat=hare has come up somewhere and the temple definition is next to it in C. 21A is a bit of a train crash of a clue anyway so adding “for example” would hardly have made things worse – why pick such long worded sweets? 25A is an interesting example of how pedestrian analysers like me solve clues (callow head =C, young wings=YG – must be CYGNET) as against Peter’s probably faster route of scanning the definition and checkers.

    1. Sound point about the length of the desserts – Charlotte, fool, cobbler, whip and crumble all seem more promising as cryptic clue content.
  11. Just over an hour on this. No excuses; must be a bit dim this morning. Brightened up when I put in CAGE to finish.
  12. 50 minutes with the last 10 spent trying to unravel 9ac and 2dn. Never heard of the Latin phrase and would have been unable to guess it but for the wordplay which was clear once spotted, however I still didn’t believe it was correct until I arrived at work and checked it.

    After all that effort I was very disappointed to find an error at 2d where I went for ANNALID. I vaguely knew of the worm but had no idea whether it had A or E as its middle letter and I jumped the wrong way.

    Other than all that, this was another very lively puzzle which I thoroughly enjoyed solving.

  13. No proper time for this but after about half an hour I still had CAGE/SHEBANG to go and they took a couple of looks in the middle of other things. I wasn’t sure if this was because it was tough or because I was slow: it took me a while to get some very easy clues like INDULGE, for instance, but some of the others were decidedly tricky. Having read the blog I’m still not sure!
    I liked the Latin even if it was unfamiliar, but COD to HONEYTRAP.
  14. Resorted to aids with four left after an hour, but wasn’t really concentrating. Had it had my full attention, I probably could have done what I did quicker, but I was never going to get 9a, especially since I’d misremembered my worms and confidently written in EMMALID.
  15. 31:48 .. and happy to finish at all after a very unpromising start.

    I’d be lying if I said I’d noticed any quibbles while solving – I was too busy just trying to get through the thing. Really lively and entertaining challenge, though.

    by the way.. “a couple of tricks are used here to try to confuse you – a container clue involving a synonym of a containment indicator as the “containee”, and the final “to be eaten” which is the real containment indicator, but could conceivably be “to be” as a wordplay/def link, and then a def.”

    – that’s brilliant. And made me laugh as I did a cartoon double-take and said “Huh?”. All that’s missing is a “Simple.” at the end. Another Tefal moment.

    Great blog, Pete.

    1. Hmmm – great blog except for the confusing wording of the description of ways to cause confusion. It would be dishonest to pretend that this was a deliberate joke. In other circumstances, I’d read this with my head in my hands and think the writer missed a prime opportunity to clarify with a couple of bullet points instead of writing in the style of Adam Smith.
      1. The “brilliant” was honestly meant. I love that stuff and admire the linguistic precision. But yes, for bears of little brain (and some days I definitely qualify) the Adam Smith style can be a bit overwhelming. I just followed your link and now I know why I’ve never read Adam Smith.
  16. Not on the setters wavelength today (and half-awake) crawled to the end in 22 minutes, last in NOLI ME TANGERE and HONEYTRAP, living up to the “about me” section of the blog. Didn’t see the wordplay for INCINERATOR or WOLF WHISTLE
  17. A nice puzzle. 9ac was first in from the definition and the Titian painting. It was satisfying to work out some answers from wordplay – TAP WATER, CHIMPANZEE, HONEYTRAP and SHEBANG, although quite a few went in from definition alone.

    STRESSED was almost last, as I was sure the sweets must somwhow be there for their letters rather than their meaning.

  18. I tremble to correct a man whose brain you could fry an egg on, but ‘hoarse/horse’ aren’t homophones if you’re Scottish
    Joe Casey
    1. Nice continuation of the TEFAL theme. Moral: Chambers Dictionary does NOT reflect Scottish pronunciation (“hörs” for both, with “för” as the illustration for the vowel).
  19. Same as the difference between ‘cored’ and ‘cord’! (Sorry, couldn’t resist that)
    ‘Hoarse’ has roughly the same vowel sound as RP, but the ‘r’ is sounded, of course; ‘horse’ has the same vowel sound as ‘cot’, which is the same vowel sound as ‘caught’ but not ‘court’.
    Oh, and by the way, ‘goose’ rhymes with ‘puss’ in Scotland.
    Joe Casey
  20. Well I admire the blogger and those with rapid times.
    Maybe because I had a late night, maybe becasue it was harder than yesterday and maybe because my brain told me croaky for 6 across for quite some time…this was a struggle. but around 90 minutes of effort got me home with minimal help. There was a mental groan when i saw how easy Stressed was. like at least one other i was erroneously looking for ending letters etc….

    Thought that Tapwater was good clue but hard….and has for Noli me tangere! i thought this was a below the belt clue…just too tough.

    COD Honeytrap

  21. After an hour with two thirds of the puzzle done I put it down and came back to it later, and then did manage to finish, except unfortunately for ANNALID. No hope of getting that without aids, which I didn’t resort to, but the ANN… was obvious and visions of ringed worms led me to an educated but incorrect guess. When I found STRESSED I had a sigh of relief because I couldn’t figure out what else to do with all of those words in the clue! COD to HONEYTRAP (which started off life in my grid as HONEYESOP, whatever that may be, until ADMINISTER provided the R), although I also found TAPWATER and NOLI ME TANGERE quite amusing.

    Now I shall try to finish yesterday’s puzzle, which is still missing several entries.

  22. My brief brainstorm is over. The SE corner did for me this evening.

    I shall persevere – with the help of this website, one day I just might complete a full week’s worth.

  23. Very, very enjoyable puzzle, completed in 35 minutes aidless. Remembered WAT for tower from Mephisto and NOLI…..from somewhere else.

    Once I had started the clues unwound quite logically and with hardly any delay. COD to HONEYTRAP!

  24. Struggled through to the point of having 3 left then had to go for an assist with the fruity 9 ac. which led to CAGE and SHEBANG and a time of 44 min. Generally tricky but fair, except for my bete noir, biblical stuff, and in latin at that! So a fine popourri, save … wait for it … the Popery. One for the homophonophobes.

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