Times Cryptic 28100

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1. But apparently there’s no such thing as a fluefish?
   Oh well

   Edited at 2021-10-05 01:53 am (UTC)

2. …but all correct. I got Breton from the wordplay, although I couldn’t avoid thinking of Breton the composer instead of Breton the artist. Screech threw me for a bit, until I realized the UK meaning of creche was required.

   1. André Breton was not an artist: he was an historian, poet and writer of the ‘Surrealist Manifesto’ and other books.
      1. Breton made some collages, at least. I’ve read a good deal of his stuff and the supposedly definitive biography and have never thought of him as a(n) historian.
3. 32 minutes, with a bit of luck on my side. Fingers crossed for BRETON and SIGNAL, but both seemed likely, one from the wordplay, the other from the def. Didn’t know the ‘pond plant’ or ‘Swimmers’ either but they looked plausible enough, again with wordplay as support.

   … Benedicto benedicatur, per Christum Dominum nostrum.

4. I didn’t know BRETON either, but got it from the wordplay. I don’t think I’ve ever heard the phrase CHICKEN-HEARTED, although once I had CHICKEN there wasn’t really any alternative for the remaining letters. I also found it hard to get going at first, with almost nothing going in as I went down the across clues until I got to CASUAL. Then quite a bit went in at the bottom.
5. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1167720016 Solved alongside a lively Twitch chat. I was happy to have the company!

   I got off to quite a slow start, finding no purchase anywhere. But all of a sudden everything opened up and I was delighted to finish under 20 minutes.

   1. Sadly this is not available in China.
      1. Ironically, we even talked at the end of the stream about how you never fail to comment that you won’t be watching!
6. DNK the pond plant, and thought of SHAKE-RUSH first, but BLUEFISH (also DNK) took care of that. Like Vinyl, I wondered about SCREECH; unlike him, I never thought of the relevant meaning until I came here. Knew BRETON, didn’t know he was a surrealist.
   1. I never heard of the other meaning of ‘creche’. We use ‘crib’ for that.
      1. Here I’d casually assumed (and probably so did Vinyl) that you had the 2 meanings while we only had the Nativity scene meaning. ODE gives the Nativity meaning as the first historically.
         What do you call a baby’s bed with barred sides? That’s what we call a crib.
         1. That’s definitely a cot in my little corner of the Anglosphere Kevin.
            1. And what we call a cot, I suppose you call a camp bed?
               1. I don’t know, that depends on what you call a cot!
                  1. A camp bed, probably.
         2. I know crib is used for a baby’s small bed but am not aware of any particular design requirement. ‘Cot’ is another word but I think of that as something larger than a crib. Not that I’m an expert on such matters.
   2. The man often referred to as “the Pope of Surrealism” might be said to have become in some sense the only true surrealist, as he (after borrowing the word from Apollinaire, who understood it differently) assumed the authority of defining Surrealism, and redefining it, as well as deciding who was in the movement (!) and who was excommunicated for some effraction of Breton’s ideals. In the United States, at least, Salvador Dalí stole much of his thunder and became the name most people think of when they hear the word. Still, I’m surprised that so many people are drawing blanks here.

      Edited at 2021-10-05 07:25 pm (UTC)

7. Was about to give up until “bet on” came to me. Fortunately convinced myself that BRETON sounded familiar, but couldn’t have told you what position he played.

   Until that point, a steady solve. A few of them fell in stages, like CHICKEN-HEARTED, TUSSLE and SPIKE-RUSH.

   Prompted by Vinyl and Kevin to look up the different US meaning for creche. Didn’t know that one.

   Thanks Jack and setter.

8. Decent solve for me, including a few where I was a bit unsure, but got there with the aid of the cryptic.

   – Was pretty sure the word TURPITUDE started with a TE (and pretty unsure of the definition). Probably I’m thinking of TERPSICHORE
   – Didn’t know about Archbishop Lang
   – NHO SPIKE-RUSH
   – Thought CRECHE was a collision between two cars in Kensington

   LOI BRETON, which I entered without parsing as I knew about André. Pink square was a careless typo in THREAT, slightly peeved about that, but doing the discipline right is something I can achieve

   Thanks J and setter

   1. I only know TURPITUDE from the expression ‘moral turpitude’ so I knew it was something bad, but not exactly what.
      1. Until now I thought moral turpitude was an ethical paint thinner.
         1. Ha ha … probably used when you were applying that gloss of respectability?
   2. I was most amused by Our Miss Tremble’s collision in Ken High Street. (This could not possibly have occurred in West Ken, however!). We resided in Flaam for many years.

      Edited at 2021-10-05 05:42 pm (UTC)

      1. Haha – you channeled my very thought processes there, horryd. I considered WK and KHS as possible locations, but didn’t know which was more likely.

         Thanks for filling in my knowledge-gap!

   3. Brava!
9. Like others, BRETON gave me the most trouble today. I had all the checkers quite early but had little idea of the answer so left it for later with some concern. When I came back to it at the end fortunately I thought of “bet on” for backed quite quickly. On another day I could have stared at it for ages.
   1. This deserves the rest of the week in the naughty chair!! However your time is quite splendid! Green Meldrew
10. Never heard of the composer or the artist, but I’d heard of the language/bloke, so that was that for that clue, especially as I have been known to have a flutter on the horses. A German-trained geegee won the Arc on Sunday. I wonder if that is a first?

    Looks like a German might win Bake-off too. Is there anything they can’t do?

    1. Reach Moscow with the appropriate winterwear.
11. 34:49
    Nice challenge. Thanks, jack.
    It’s still not glue.
    1. 😉
       1. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it! :))
12. 25 mins pre-brekker. I just avoided the Misère by having heard of Andre, but I thought it was a bit harsh on those who hadn’t.
    Don’t like Screech singular in multiple crèches, but do like “Chairman’s supporter”.
    Thanks setter and J.
    1. I clean forgot to mention Mr. Maoist- it was a rather good clue – hung hao!
13. Like others, I struggled to get going. I think my FOI (SCREECH) was only after 6 or 7 mins. thereafter everything seemed to fall into place quite nicely with no clues I failed to understand.
    I knew of Andre Breton but did not know he was a Surrealist. Mistakenly, I thought he was a Fauvist.
    Given the dates, Cosmo Lang must have been involved somewhere along the line in the abdication of Edward VIII.
    LOI: BLUEFISH/SPIKE RUSH
    COD: ADULT EDUCATION.
    I’m still having a little chuckle about one of yesterday’s clues: AUTOPSY = ‘stiff examination’.
14. This TUSSLE is ADULT EDUCATION
    Not NEGLECT, or CASUAL cogitation
    A MAELSTROM yesterday
    Much more LAID BACK today
    An ACCOMPLISHMENT on each occasion
15. A very good time for me. Last two in were SIGNAL and BRETON, whom I hadn’t heard of either. NHO SPIKE RUSH but the clue was generous. Much better than yesterday’s miserable performance. Thank you Jack and setter.
    1. 👍

16. FOI: UNDERNOURISHED
    LOI: BRETON

    A slow start but a lot came easily after ACCOMPLISHMENT. LOI was half-remembered, so I was crossing my fingers.

    Thank you to jackkt and the setter.

17. Beaten by SPIKE-RUSH – I put ‘spike bush’, hoping desperately that bush could be short for ambush, which sort of means to attack.

    Enjoyed this otherwise. Like many others I didn’t know BRETON but eventually saw the wordplay, and for some reason I couldn’t parse the relatively simple ACCOMPLISHMENT despite having all the checkers.

    Thanks to setter and blogger.

18. I didn’t know Breton or Spine Rush.

    COD: Brassiere.

19. 11:09 A lot easier than yesterday. DNK BLUEFISH, SPIKE RUSH or BRETON, by the wordplay rescued me. Thanks Jackkt and setter.
    1. Unless you were me, and found it harder than yesterday !
20. 7:18. No problems here. I knew the surrealist poet, and am a little surprised by the number who didn’t. I don’t think I’ve come across BLUEFISH or SPIKE RUSH before, and the Archbishop was of course a complete unknown. That one has to take the prize for obscurity today!

    Edited at 2021-10-05 07:48 am (UTC)

    1. I probably know more Archbishops than Surrealists, though I used to work close to the headquarters of the London Institute of ‘Pataphysics, a charming bookshop in Hoxton. Chacun…
    2. You and me both. At least this gave me something to yammer about after getting to the blog so late.

       Edited at 2021-10-05 07:32 pm (UTC)

       1. But you’re something of an honorary Frenchman yourself!
          1. C’est vrai, mon copain !
21. 28 minutes following late arrival of newspapers. I was slow in finishing off in the SE, with the two unknowns, SPIKE-RUSH and BLUEFISH, the last to fall. I’m giving COD to SIGNAL if only because I remembered Archbishop Lang, but otherwise it might have gone to TURPITUDE, a word I sometimes confuse in my head with the stuff you used to wash your paint brushes in. Thank you Jack and setter, and to Guy the paper deliverer for commitment beyond the call of duty.
22. Took a long time for 1ac to reveal itself, along with the ones which it connected to, especially as LAUD was the only four-letter archbishop I could think of to begin with. All good in the end. BRETON is a chestnut for quizzers, if not apparently crossworders (the founders or namers of artistic movements come up *a lot*…)
23. I knew André well enough – he was still around in the late sixties when the child of Surrealism and Modernism, ‘Kitsch’ was developing.

    Q. How many surrealists does it take to fix a lightbulb?
    A. Three. One to set fire to the giraffe and the other to get the clocks into the bath-tub.

    Mr. Magritte had to fix his own light bulbs.

    I was some 45 minutes engaged – 30 mins (luncheon) and the 15 mins to finish off the top half – once 1ac ACCOMPLISHMENT heaved into view.

    FOI 18dn SCREECH without ever considering what creches were! (Surreal!)

    LOI 16dn BLUEFISH which at first I thought to be DEERFISH!(Surreal!)

    COD 15ac BRETON (Surreal!)

    WOD 12ac BRASSIERE – our Jack never said a a disapproving word. Good old Aston Vanilla!

    Edited at 2021-10-05 08:57 am (UTC)

    1. If you want to ninja-turtle, there’s Paul Simon’s song “Rene and Georgette Magritte with Their Dog after the War”, which is a bit of surrealism in itself, and supplies the names of a number of perhaps-unknown doo-wop groups.
    2. Best collection of short stories ever: “Keep the Giraffe Burning” by John T. Sladek. Sometimes classed as satire, sometimes as science-fiction, sometimes as sociology.
24. I chuckled at my FOI, MOIST. Managed to remember the Archbishop once I’d used the instructions to put SI at the beginning. ACCOMPLISHMENT came latish in the proceedings after I though of SH instead of P for quiet. EGG ON came second and allowed me to make some progress in the NE, with UNDERNOURISHED jumping out of the anagrist and providing some helpful checkers. ADULT EDUCATION followed CASUAL DISGRACE and I was soon left with 15a. After much cogitation I hit on bet on and the job was done although I’ve NHO our surrealist. 29:03. Thanks setter and Jack.
25. Just under 17, a more relaxing run than yesterday, though I had to make up BRETON, SPIKE RUSH and BLUEFISH from the wp.
    While familiar with creches (though I’d put a little roof thingy over the first E), I wasn’t particularly impressed with SCREECH. Babies and smaller rugrats make many noises, but I’d expect screeches more from owleries and such, or from brakes just before Denise’s brilliant Kensington collision.
    Indebted, as ever, to Father Brown for FLAMBEAU.
    1. It’s a grave accent: crèche
       1. Probably: I didn’t say mine was the correct version!
26. Completed by Bond Street, held up by LOI BRETON (NHO). Also NHO SPIKE RUSH but that was gettable from the cryptic. No problem with SIGNAL (once I’d rejected SIDUAL).
27. 26:14. Rare for me to be sub-30.

    Had never heard of spike-rush, and thought rush = attack was a bit of a stretch. Perhaps there’s a meaning I don’t know. Dredged Breton and flambeau from recesses.

    1. I looked twice at it too, but found this in Collins whilst preparing the blog:

       If you rush something or someone, you move quickly and forcefully at them, often in order to attack them.
       ‘They rushed the entrance and forced their way in’.

       1. That’s COBUILD. Further down the same page you will find this in the dictionary proper: ‘to make a sudden attack upon (a fortress, position, person, etc)’. Lexico has ‘dash towards (someone or something) in an attempt to attack or capture’.
28. Half an hour, like others DK SPIKE RUSH or BLUEFISH but it had to be fish and got them from wordplay without looking up. 1a and 1d parsed post writing in. Thanks jackkt. A bit harder than yesterday IMO, although the SNITCH thinks otherwise.

    Edited at 2021-10-05 09:07 am (UTC)

29. ….TUTSI goodbye. I biffed my way through this, and seem to be in a minority of one in finding it harder than yesterday’s.

    NHO BRETON, or SPIKE-RUSH, but both were easy enough from the parsings. I didn’t, however, parse any of ACCOMPLISHMENT, UNFAILING, or ADULT EDUCATION. A bit miffed to be a whole second slower than johninterred 😂

    Surprisingly, I knew the fish from a recent puzzle in either the Independent or the Grauniad.

    FOI EGG ON
    LOI ACCOMPLISHMENT
    COD UNDERNOURISHED (closely followed my MOIST)
    TIME 11:10

30. Pleased to have finished, with LOI SIGNAL. Don’t know too many archbishops (Ramsey and Tutu were early runners). Thanks for showing how MOIST worked, but COD to MAELSTROM.

    NHO of CHICKEN-HEARTED, but its a great word and I will try and use it today. More useful than SPIKE-RUSH, which sounds like a 19th bayonet charge.

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