Times Cryptic 28010

Solving time: 50 minutes. This puzzle certainly had a different feel about it from the usual offerings and was quite inventive in parts, most of which worked rather well.

As usual definitions are underlined in bold italics, {deletions and substitutions are in curly brackets} and [anagrinds, containment, reversal and other indicators in square ones]. I usually omit all reference to positional indicators unless there is a specific point that requires clarification.

Across
1 Pelican that’s no more, unfortunately right after feline enters (8)
ALCATRAS
CAT (feline) + R (right) is contained by [enters] ALAS (unfortunately).  I constructed this from wordplay. I knew the word only as the name of the prison (spelt with a Z) on the island in San Francisco Bay. This from Wiki gives further information and perhaps accounts for ‘no more’ in the clue: The island was named “La Isla de los Alcatraces”, which translates as “The Island of the Gannets” but is commonly believed to translate as “The Island of the Pelicans.” (Spanish for Pelicans, however is Pelícanos), from the archaic Spanish alcatraz (“pelican”).
5 Almost defeated accepting British weakness (6)
FOIBLE
FOILE{d} (defeated) [almost] containing [accepting] B (British)
10 Cox wobbling a bit? (3,4,3,5)
ONE OVER THE EIGHT
‘One over the eight’ means ‘drunk’ so ‘wobbling a bit’, and rowing teams often consist of eight crew plus a cox, who is therefore ‘one over the eight’ in another sense.
11 Preserve water slide around New Year (7)
CHUTNEY
CHUTE (water slide) containing [around] N (new), then Y (year). I took a long time to get to this as I had recently learned the word ‘flume’ meaning a water slide in a previous puzzle and that was my first thought, so I constructed the word ‘flumney’ and very nearly convinced myself that it existed.
12 An element of empty unionism on Ulster sash (7)
NIOBIUM
NI (Ulster – Northern Ireland), OBI (sash), U{nionism}M [empty]. Tom Lehrer came to my rescue yet again with one of the lesser-known elements! The setter should perhaps have steered clear of this line of clueing given current sensitivities. We’ve only just had M. Macron asserting that Northern Ireland is not part of the United Kingdom and now here’s a suggestion that Ulster and Northern Ireland are one and the same. For those who don’t know, Ulster consists of 9 counties, of which 6 are in Northern Ireland (part of the UK) and the remaining 3 are in the Republic of Eire.
13 Game in trap with strange marks and unknown (3,5)
GIN RUMMY
GIN (trap), RUM (strange), M (marks), Y (unknown)
15 Riddle about whiskey for Irish dean (5)
SWIFT
SIFT (riddle) containing [about] W (whiskey – NATO alphabet). The writer Jonathan Swift became Dean of St Patrick’s Cathedral, Dublin, and is often referred to as “Dean Swift”. SOED defines a riddle as a large coarse sieve for separating corn from chaff, sand from gravel, ashes from cinders, etc, but it’s also a verb meaning ot sieve or sift.
18 Made his Ben Hur intrinsically so long (5)
ADIEU
{m}AD}e {h}I{s} {b}E{n} {h}U{r}[intrinsically]. When I was taken to see Ben Hur at the Empire Leicester Square in 1960 it was the longest film I’d ever sat through. I was relieved and ready to go home when the curtains closed (remember those in cinemas?) but alas, it was only the interval. The second half really dragged. The film is famous for its chariot race in which some of the participants wore watches on their wrists and an Austin mini showed up in a long shot. I didn’t notice any of this at the time, unfortunately.
20 What’s rude? Yell is, in church (8)
CHURLISH
HURL (yell) + IS contained by [in] CH (church). One might hurl / yell abuse, for example.
23 Settle advance payment before party (7)
SUBSIDE
SUB (advance payment), SIDE (party e.g. in an argument). A sub is a loan against expected income.
25 Ornamental plant bed mostly eaten by injured raven (7)
VERBENA
BE{d} [mostly] contained [eaten] by anagram [injured] of RAVEN. A plant only vaguely remembered from somewhere.
26 Our establishment‘s trendy, in rear street with headgear British and European (3,6,4,2)
THE POWERS THAT BE
HEP (trendy) contained by [in] TOWER (rear – rise high), ST (street), HAT (headgear), B (British), E (European). Defined as the people who decide what is allowed or acceptable. These days this is not just down to the establishment as aside from our political masters and their minions telling us what to do and think we also have the combined legions of wokery.
27 Ireland introducing minute eastern moth (6)
ERMINE
ERIN (Ireland) containing [introducing] M (minute), then E (eastern). The moth was unknown to me.
28 Barnet fixer is hard character to control (8)
HAIRGRIP
H (hard), AIR (character), GRIP (to control). ‘Barnet Fair’ is CRS for ‘hair, which seems a little odd as Barnet is some distance from Cockerneyland.
Down
1 Five pence out of pocket under a guarantee that’s expired (6)
AVOUCH
A, V (five), {p}OUCH (pocket) [pence – p – out of…]. Not a word I knew.
2 One of the composers, ie, in Bruch, Brahms and Liszt (9)
CHERUBINI
Anagram [Brahms and Liszt – CRS ‘pissed’ – drunk] of IE IN BRUCH. Cherubini was an Italian-born French composer who lived 1760-1842. I’m afraid that despite my fairly extensive knowledge of music from that era I’m unable to recall a single one of his many compositions.
3 Composer put in octave nervously (7)
TAVENER
Hidden [put in] {oc}TAVE NER{vously}. Another lesser-known composer, this time from the modern era (1944-2013). He taught composition at my college in the late 1960s / early 1970s and I saw him around the place occasionally but I had no dealings with him.
4 Arranged quite a display (5)
ARRAY
ARR (arranged), AY (quite – yes)
6 Difficult individual to wake up without something in tea and coffee (7)
ONEROUS
ONE (individual), ROUS{e} (wake up) [without something in tea and coffee – i.e. ‘e’]. It makes for a good surface reading but this is not a very welcome device when applied as vaguely as here.
7 Mine gold initially in a lot of bedrock (4,1)
BAGS I
G{old} [initially] contained by [in] BASI{s} (bedrock – foundation) [a lot of…]. Bags I this — it’s mine!
8 Reckon one’s travelling by car? (8)
ESTIMATE
I’M (one’s) contained [travelling] by ESTATE (car)
9 One appreciates what you did to a hunky cast (8)
THANKYOU
Anagram [cast] of TO A HUNKY
14 Fish thrash, rising both sides of flowing creek (8)
MACKEREL
LAM (thrash) reversed [rising] containing [both sides of] anagram [flowing] of CREEK
16 Wexford perhaps sent cop around in Ireland (9)
INSPECTOR
Anagram [around] of SENT COP contained by [in] IR (Ireland). DCI Reg Wexford featured in 24 novels by Ruth Rendell, many of which were adapted for TV starring George Baker. I enjoyed these, but much preferred her psychological mysteries.
17 Gang in class which might be playing noisily? (8)
CASSETTE
SET (gang) contained by in] CASTE (class). The setter revealing his age here; we’ll be having references to 8-track cartridges next!
19 Hackneyed college stuff maybe is something not seen in the real world (7)
UNICORN
UNI (college),  CORN (hackneyed…stuff). Echoes of the Brexit debate!
21 One using bait to trap chief hunting dog (7)
LURCHER
LURER (one using bait) containing [to trap] CH (chief)
22 Stop sleeping at college after fire (4,2)
WAKE UP
WAKE (fire – excite), UP (at college). You have to ‘go up’ to university so that if you behave badly you can be ‘sent down’.
24 Ray providing home for river fish (5)
BREAM
BEAM (ray) containing [providing home for] R (river)
25 Prospect of official document — and time to fill it (5)
VISTA
VISA (official document) containing [to fill it] T (time)

73 comments on “Times Cryptic 28010”

  1. Gave up after the hour with FOIBLE, AVOUCH and ONEROUS not entered. Disappointing. Thanks Jack.
  2. Nothing much said about niobium (Nb):also known as columbium (Cb) atomic number 41. A light grey, crystalline, ductile transition metal. English chemist Charles Hatchett reported a new element similar to tantalum in 1801 and named it columbium. In 1846 German chemist Heinrich Rose isolated Nb from tantalum ores, which he named niobium. In 1864-65, a series of scientific studies proved that niobium and columbium were the same element – as distinguished from tantalum, and for a century both names were used interchangeably. In 1949 Niobium was officially adopted as the name of the element, but the name columbium remains in current use in metallurgy in the USA.Two nations divided by uncommon elements. My COD Niobium. Nb time 19 minutes.

    Edited at 2021-06-22 01:05 pm (UTC)

  3. 34.27. A couple of unknowns or un-twiggeds such as alcatras or that use of hurl in churlish where the wordplay or definition felt rock solid so I entered with no qualms. But another couple at the end, the crossing ermine and unicorn, where I pondered eimere for a long time and only corrected when a lengthy alpha-trawl made nothing of u-i-o-r. Once ermine was in the unicorn appeared. Those two held me up considerably.
  4. I am tempted to start writing poetry complaining about obscure composers, in fact I will next time. I did though like the B&L anagram indicator, I probably know them better like that. What about a few folk musicians? More my metier.
  5. I don’t see anything wrong with the “tea and coffee” device, and it’s nice to have something variety rather than the usual abbreviations or initial letter stuff. I straight away suspected that it might indicate the letter E.

    That said, having done all the hard work, the straightforward ONEROUS held me up for ages because with the other slightly obscure answers I convinced myself it was some chemical compound starting with OX (‘difficult individual’).

  6. Of course in “proper” CRS you only syt the first bit and the Fair in Barnet Fair is understood. Same applies to Brahms but I suppose the and Liszt was irresistible
  7. 20:39 and at least a PB in terms of NHOs — Five! Alacatras (as in pelican), Ermine (as in moth), Avouch, Tavener (well maybe vaguely) and Cherubini (sounds more like an Italian duo from some distant Eurovision Song Contest).
    Despite these obscurities I sort of staggered my way through and enjoyed the challenge of a slightly quirky puzzle, my mood helped by being in the garden in the sunshine this afternoon.
    LOI 1 ac “alcatras” which seemed to take ages to parse.
    COD 11 ac “Chutney” — like Jack I was trying to work with another word rather than “chute” for a water course, in my case “sluice” which didn’t help.
    Thanks to Jack for a most comprehensive blog and to setter
  8. Technical DNF as I needed aids to get 1d “Avouch” — didn’t see it even with a lengthy alphabet trawl (doesn’t help that V is towards the end of the alphabet!). Not a word previously known to me.
    1a “Alcatras” also took me ages even though the “cat” was obvious.
    You know the setter’s prepared something tricky when 1a and 1d are your last two clues.
    Enjoyable puzzle despite being defeated.
    Many thanks for the blog.
  9. And like some others glad to emerge unscathed. Had to guess Avouch ad Alcatras, and though Wake up seemed inevitable, I was not happy with the clue. The etymology of Alcatras is interesting. The Arabic word Al-Qadus means water-scoop, of the kind found on a noria water-wheel. In Arab-run Iberia it was applied to the pelican because of its scoop-like bill. Mistakenly it was applied by British sailors to another seabird, the frigate bird. Subsequently the word was modified — possibly because the prefix alba signified white — and was given to the albatross. OED quotes Sir John Hawkins in 1564 describing how he “anchored by a small island called Alcatrarsa wherein we found nothing but seabirds.”
  10. Pleased to finish, with aids, in a couple of hours. DNF on my own. Eight clues unparsed, and did not get the final nuance in one other, so many thanks for the blog. FOI adieu, LOI avouch. All good clues for me, very tricky. Thanks also to the setter. GW.
  11. Sorry if this has been mentioned already. I skim read the comments and couldn’t see it. AVOUCH is notably in Hamlet, right at the beginning I believe, with the walk of the ghost. I think Horatio says:

    “Before my God, I might not this believe, were it not for the sensible and true avouch of mine own eyes.”

    A line suitably pregnant with the very concerns that the play has yet to unfold.

  12. Gosh, this one was a challenge and ultimately defeated me with just over half done. Too many – for me – words I didn’t know from clues too cryptic for me to take a punt at them, mostly in that top half. FOI 5Ac FOIBLE. LOI TAVENER. As usual satisfied to at least be correct with those I managed. Thanks to jackkt for his usual patient and informative clarification.

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