Times Crossword 24322

Solving time: 14.14

I thought this was a good puzzle, with some very neat and clever clueing. I was slow to see the two long across answers at 10 and 25, which probably added a few minutes to my time, and found the left half of the grid easier than the right. Some good surface readings, and I thought the treatment at 17A was pretty deft, though I didn’t see how it worked until after solving.
 

Across
1
  DUMB DOWN – “Mum” in the clue is an adjective meaning “silent”, while “fell” and “down” are both kinds of upland tracts of land.
5
  FATHOM – the definition, “Sound”, is in the sense of measuring the depths of something, while “fine, in short”, is F – also the abbreviation for FATHOM. (Actually, as pointed out in the comments below, “in short” is AT HOM(e). Sorry about that.)
10
  PUBLIC RELATIONS – “the limits of power” are the letters p and r, which become, in capitals, PR – the abbreviation for “public relations”. So for two clues in succession the wordplay involved an abbreviation of the answer.
13
  PILE, a double meaning.
15
  SEND OFF
17
  OUR LADY – “Thy Son” is “Your lad”, and “first behind” is an instruction to move the first letter of this to the end, giving the answer. Clever stuff.
18
  SHE(BE)EN – “half of bitter” being BE(er). Solvers familiar with the word SHEBEEN, an illicit liquor shop, probably got this quite easily from the helpful wording.
19
  ATE(LIE)R – “after” is LATER, and therefore “after failing to open” is ATER. Another one I got more or less at once, this time from the useful “studio”, which doesn’t have all that many synonyms that i know of.
21
  A,RUM – a plant of the cuckoo pint genus, so again an easy clue for anyone who knew the word.
22
  GO,OSEBUMPS – a very neat piece of disguise, for the definition is “what may come with the cold”, fare=GO, and OSEBUMPS is an anagram of SOME PUBS, indicated by “supply” – which is not the noun supPLY, but the adjective SUPply.
25
  GET THE RUNAROUND – I took an age to see this, though I think i just about knew that a RUNAROUND (or runabout) is a term for a small light car.
27
  EAR,WIG – I wasn’t sure at first about EAR=notice, but Chambers gives “attention” as a definition for EAR, so that’s OK. And as for WIG=carpet, my initial assumption that carpet, like rug, was a term used for a hairpiece seems to have been wrong – “Wig” and “carpet” in fact both mean “to scold”.
28
  BEST,RIDE – BEST=top, and RIDE=spin in the sense of a short trip. I had the idea of how this clue would work well before actually figuring out two elements that worked – wasted some time toying with HEAD for “top”..
 
Down
1
  DAPHNIS – (hand is p) * i.e. an anagram of “hand is” plus p (“quietly”). Daphnis was a nymph in Greek mythology. I couldn’t have told you that he was a shepherd, but I had heard of Daphnis and Chloe, and so was reasonably confident of the answer.
3
  DAILY D(OZ)EN – DAILY=paper, DEN is (as so often) study, and the lightweight is OZ (ounce). “Daily dozen” is an old-fashioned term for exercises done regularly, probably more likely nowadays to be called a workout, or some far more cool and cutting-edge term that someone as lazy as me might not have come across.
4
  WURST – a large German sausage. Sounds like “worst” which, confusingly, means the same as “best” in the sense of “to win against, defeat”.
6
  (t)ARTY
7
  HOOLIGANISM – (him in gaol so)*. A fairly easy anagram to spot, together with a precise definition, making this a likely way of opening up the NE corner (which I found tricky).
8
  M(ASTER)Y – “cutting” is a containment indicator, and MY=of mine.
9
  PLETHORA – (in Pearl H)* with “embarrassment” here having the meaning of an overabundance, as in “an embarrassment of riches”.
12
  N(ON SEQUIT)UR, being (question)* inside NUR (RUN going upwards, and therefore “work raised”).
14
  GREEN BE(R)ET – GREEN=common (as in a village green), BEET is the plant, and R=resistance. A green beret is worn by several different military forces.
16
  FUN,BOARD – FUN=sport, and BOARD sounds like “bored”. A funboard is a special board that allows greater speed in windsurfing. I wasn’t entirely convinced by this – a finboard sounds like it would go much faster, while a fanboard would surely have a specially aerodynamically (hydrodynamically?) tapered fantail and fly like the wind. However, no amount of mental twisting could turn “sport” into FAN or FIN, so eventually I was obliged to go with the right answer.
18
  SP,ANGLE – SP= “extremely sharp”.
20
  RESID(U)E
24
  THAI, sounds like “tie”.
26
  UZI, hidden, reversed, in seIZUres.

35 comments on “Times Crossword 24322”

  1. Harder workout (daily 30?) for me this morning; so 32 minutes. Had a hard time with the 13/8 pair as I’d assumed MINT for the former, still knowing it was wrong! Also with 28: had to be BESTRIDE but I couldn’t justify it. And anyone else tempted by DAMP DOWN? (Two “mums” — DAM and P?). Never heard of a RUNAROUND being a car — though RUNABOUT has vague echoes of my youth when rich bachelors would be said to have them. So that was another temptation.
    Yep: I had F + AT HOM(E) too at 5ac.
    COD to OUR LADY though, as vinyl1 notes, Jimbo won’t like it. And I’m already shuddering to think what he’ll say about 4dn!
  2. Untimed due to various interruptions, but I’d say well over the hour. Last in the 13/8 intersection, even though both answers suggested themselves early on; I just wasn’t prepared to commit. I thought your intial reasoning at FATHOM and EARWIG was impeccable, by the way, not simply because it echoed mine; anything which gets the job done is OK in my book. Amid such cleverness it’s difficult to pick a COD but I’ll say GOOSEBUMPS & BESTRIDE, to hedge my bets.
  3. On arrival here this morning I was pleased to see a couple of longish solving times because I took 70 minutes before finally resorting to a thesaurus to come up with ideas for _I_E at 13ac.

    Other than that I found the top half straightforward but I became bogged down in the lower part, especially in the SW corner where the three letters to go with the anagram fodder at 12dn eluded me for far too long.

    I have never heard of FUNBOARD, nor have Chambers and Collins, but COED has it.

  4. A real struggle here, limping home in 25:35.

    Problems included: thinking of Mum=DAM at 1A, POLISHING as a candidate for the second word in 10, OVER,TURN as possible wordplay elements at 28 (though not strong enough on the def to write in), followed by top=HEAD, PARTY as possible second word of a “raiding unit” at 14. Elsewhere, various clues just took ages to see, with 14, 22, 28 the last few to go in. And I too went for the fathom = F = fine interpretation at 5.

    Can’t see the problem with “Our Lady” at 17 – it’s in both COED and Collins, and should be guessable from “Notre Dame”.

    Wasn’t terribly happy with “wurst”=worst, but both dictionaries support the Anglicised pronunciation as well as the German “voorst”.

  5. Well, here’s a first then – a faster time than Peter. Somewhere between 20 and 25 minutes which I would have rounded up to 25.

    As anticipated I’m also not keen on the treatment of WURST because its a German word and shouldn’t be pronounced to sound like “worst”. I don’t particularly object to OUR LADY (a clever clue) on its own. There is one setter who litters his/her offerings with the trappings of the Christian faith and that I don’t particularly like.

    I also had F=fine=fathom and missed “at home(e)”. The old rule about not entering 4 letter words without checking letters applies to “mint” for PILE. I don’t like the definition by example at 18A. It should be “bitter perhaps” and I’m still looking for the function of the word “best” in 25A GET…ROUND.

    Most of this puzzle I thought entertaining without being particularly difficult – funny how it goes!!

    1. Well done Jimbo – I knew this would happen one day. In 25A, I think the idea is that to get the best small car is to “get the runaround”.
      1. Thank you kind sir – on both counts. I should have seen the construction of “the runaround”
    2. I had intended to complain about the definition by example in my first posting and remember typing it but somehow I deleted in the edit.

    3. As you will know by now, Jimbo, I’m notoriously lax, by your strict standards, in my tolerance of dodgy homophones, but I’m with you on WURST which, when pronounced by a German, doesn’t sound much like “worst” at all. It only more or less works if “worst” is pronounced with an exaggeratedly German accent, which might have been indicated in the clue by something like “Best fare from Berlin, according to German’s report”.

      Hell of a good time, by the way.

  6. Don’t like FUNBOARD, GOOSEBUMPS, PLETHORA, BESTRIDE, DAILY DOZEN – because I didn’t get any of them. Not sure I approve of Our Lady in a crossword either….

    1. I thought OUR LADY was refreshing after the detectable C of E leanings in the Times. You know why she always looks so sad in the Madonna and Child paintings? She wanted a girl.
    1. Yep, SIN (ungodliness) + EG (say) reversed. A bit of a monkey puzzle if you happen to be French.
      1. Thanks for that. However, I would not connect UNGODLINESS with SIN (theologically), but I shoved SINGE in anyway!
  7. 35 mins here, struggled all the way through. Took a couple of minutes to get started at all (ARTY), then stumbled around with lots of bad ideas. I thought of fare=DO + (somepubs*) for 22, and it took me ages to decide that GO was a possibility too. I wanted the second word of 14D to be PARTY, guessed FATHOM from the def but took ages to see the cryptic. I then got totally bogged down in the SE corner with FUNBOARD and BESTRIDE being last to fall. Apart from PILE, that is, which added on another 5 minutes at the end.
  8. Outclassed by this. LHS in without too much trouble including the 2 15 letter answers but only ARTY, HOOLIGANISM, PILE, UZI & RESIDUE from RHS. Setter even managed to outwit the usual cheating methods.
    Given another decade or so I might have got GOOSEBUMPS, FATHOM & GREEN BERET.
    The homophone indicator for THAI was one for me to store away but I thought there might be some debate about the BOARD/BORED thing.
    Well done Sabine. Thought this was brutal.
  9. i too struggled with this, managed most of the left hand side and some of the right before resorting to aids. i am still struggling with fare=go, could some person enlighten me.
    1. I guess the simplest connection is the archaic meaning fare=travel=go (cf. German fahren). The “happen / turn out” meaning may have been intended but seems subtly different – “X fared well in the event” matches “The event went well for X”.
  10. 28:48 .. a game of two halves, the west almost solving itself, the east causing untold problems. A few quibbles, addressed above, but a very entertaining puzzle.

    First in DUMB DOWN, last FATHOM (which nearly defeated me).

    17a took me back to Naples and a local saying: Every Neapolitan mother thinks her son is Jesus Christ, and every Neapolitan boy knows his mother is the Virgin Mary.

    And 1a put me in mind of a favourite after-dinner story. As it’s Friday…

    His Lordship went off to take the waters in Baden Baden, leaving the young Carruthers in charge of the country pile. A few days into his stay, his Lordship received a telegram. “SIR STOP YOUR CAT DIED”.

    On arriving home, his Lordship took Carruthers aside and explained: “Now listen here, tact is a butler’s most vital skill. If I’m away and there is bad news, you must break it gently. So, first send a telegram saying “Kitty’s on the roof and won’t come down.” Wait a day, then send another saying “Kitty fell from roof. Condition serious.”. Then send a final telegram saying “Regretfully, Kitty no longer with us.” Alright?

    A few months later, his Lordship was fishing on the Spey when a telegram arrived from his trusty servant: “SIR STOP YOUR MOTHER’S ON THE ROOF AND WON’T COME DOWN”.

  11. First attempt at solving a crossword for nearly a week, and only took a break for this one because my latest “piece of work” is down to the last 3 or 4 can’t-think-of-anything answers and I need to escape from the struggle before my head explodes. Damn crozzers – why do we do it?

    Anyway, glad I made the time for this one – a very enjoyable outing with some lovely touches. WURST rang a few alarm bells for me too, but I suppose the reasoning is based on how we Brits would typically pronounce it. Oddly enough, an occasional business contact of mine (at the place I used to work) was a UK-based rep for a company called Wurth – correctly pronounced with a V, he and everyone else I knew used the W version/wersion.

    Big ticks for OUR LADY, GOOSEBUMPS, EARWIG and PLETHORA, and a solving time of about 20 minutes.

    Q-0 E-8 D-7 COD 9d PLETHORA – intricate, but smooth and clever.

      1. Thank you very much Sir Penfold.

        Interestingly, LJ sent me an email inviting me to send me birthday greetings. I was tempted, but it would have spoiled the surprise (although I suppose I could have signed in anonymously first).

  12. A real struggle at 42 minutes with bestride and pile the last two in (probably by virtue of the unhelpful checking letters).

    COD fathom, which I got and understood early on with just the A to help but thought very clever.

    Despite Peter’s no doubt valid explantion I still think the runaround justifying best is stretching things somewhat and according to Wikipedia (so it must be right) a funboard combines the speed of a long board with the manoevrability (sp?) of a short board so I’m not sure the definition is fair.

    Hence Q-2, E-7, D-9.

    Thanks for the joke Sotira – an oldy but goody.

    1. Both COED and Collins mention the stressed use of “the” – though only Collins gives “best” as a meaning, COED preferring “best known or most important of that name or type”.
  13. I read it as German word “wurst” is pronounced a bit like “first” in English, and the fare was first class as in train fare.
  14. Sometimes, I just can’t seem to get on the wavelength of the setter, which is my way of saying that this is one of those puzzles that make us novices despair …
  15. “Worst” = “Best” – very ingenious. I would never have seen this. I got all the answers, but didn’t understand a few elements of the clues, like “Green” = “common”.
    This was a relatively thorny one.
  16. Sorry to be late. This was difficult, a bit over an hour last night. Much the same commentary as others: I went with MINT too long, and didn’t really see how BESTRIDE worked, nor did I like ‘fare’=’go’, but it had to be. For me somehow the right side flew in, and I was slower on the left. First in MOB, last two BESTRIDE and PILE, COD: OUR LADY, very clever. Regards.
  17. I went quite fast (for me) through most of this in about 20 minutes, but then took another hour for the last eight or so, mostly in the SE corner. Some of the clues were in my opinion quite brilliant: aren’t some people being a bit lukewarm about FATHOM, PUBLIC RELATIONS, OUR LADY, GOOSEBUMPS, PLETHORA? FATHOM, in particular.

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