Times 28,277: Be Careful What You Wish For

Whew! Well you can’t say I didn’t ask for it. This was one of the most “interesting” puzzles in a long time, with a potential cluing error at 13ac and the pure madness that is 8dn. The Chinese city would no doubt have engendered howls of protest if it had been clued an iota less transparently than it was. In the bulging plus column the semi-&lits are all infinitely charming, such as my personal COD 1dn, and the choice of vocab and reference points ooze fun eveywhere. I’m all for setters pushing the cryptic envelope a little bit if their intention is to have fun and spread the fun around. Thank you very much setter (you maniac)!

Live solve can be viewed at https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1469702285, starting at the 9 minute mark.

Definitions underlined, (ABC)* indicating anagram of ABC, {} deletions and [] other indicators.

Across
1 Victor, struggling with pesky rent, being this? (7-8)
POVERTY-STRICKEN – (VICTOR + PESKY RENT*), semi-&lit
9 Boast about French XI, first in Europe for a time (6,3)
BRONZE AGE – BRAG about ONZE, + E{urope}
10 A party with sailors on deck (5)
ADORN – A DO with the R.N. [Royal Navy] on the end
11 Seafood requisitions taking months, not days (6)
ORMERS – OR{d->M}ERS
12 Better without clothing for race, one would agree? (8)
STREAKER – STAKER [one that stakes, lays bets], “without” R{ac}E, semi-&lit
13 Need large one before retiring (6)
ENTAIL – L I ANTE [large | one | before] reversed, except not. Can anyone see a better parsing?
15 Overused, of dubious merit now (8)
TIMEWORN – (MERIT NOW*)
18 Replace spades, having finished with machinery (8)
SUPPLANT – S(pades) + UP [finished] + PLANT [machinery]
19 A cuff you weren’t expecting? (4-2)
TURN-UP – Double def, as in a trouser cuff and “a turn-up for the books”
21 I get browned off, swamped by stories and dull speeches (8)
LITANIES – I TAN, “swamped” by LIES
23 Image from bible with A-rating (6)
AVATAR – A.V. [Authorized Version] + A + TAR [rating, as in nautical type]
26 Spirit primarily cordial in houses backing onto one another (5)
HOOCH – C{ordial} in HO(use) + (esu)OH
27 Sharp right turns in front of entrance (9)
TRENCHANT – reversed RT “in front of” ENCHANT [entrance]
28 Where St Vincent, seeing snake, protected people, keeping lives secure (8,7)
WINDWARD ISLANDS – WIND [snake] + WARDS “keeping” IS LAND [lives | secure]
Down
1 One having turned up barman at first tolerated? (3,4)
PUB BORE – reversed UP + B{arman} + BORE [tolerated], semi-&lit
2 Engine’s sound and very secure on ascent (5)
VROOM – V(ery) + reversed MOOR [secure]
3 For auditors, generate an invoice in the form of a flyer (9)
RAZORBILL – homophone of RAISE A BILL, in non-rhotic climes
4 What can appear long until just before November? (4)
YEAR – YEAR{n} [long, stopping before the N(ovember), semi-&lit
5 Chinese city’s restriction on books leading to offence (8)
TIENTSIN – TIE on N.T. [New Testament] leading to SIN [offence]
6 One judge is up in arms (5)
IRATE – I RATE [one | judge]
7 A bargain in pink and blue (9)
KNOCKDOWN – KNOCK [pink, as in engine noise] + DOWN [blue, as in sad]
8 Few like such garments merely to be the first for wearing? (7)
NONIRON – okay so this is one of the most convoluted clues I can remember. If you take FEW, and make it NON-IRON, you subtract the chemical symbol for iron (Fe) and are left with merely W, the “first” for W{earing}. But exactly what the resultant surface is intended to mean, I’m not sure I can tell you!
14 Pour tea to start: I must have mine to drink! (3,2,4)
TIP IT DOWN – T{ea} + I + PIT [mine] + DOWN [drink, as in “down in one”]
16 Match involving four old clubs is undecided (9)
EQUIVOCAL – EQUAL [match] “involving” IV O(ld) C(lubs)
17 One coming before performances to record shows (8)
ANCESTOR – hidden in {perform}ANCES TO R{ecord}
18 Jump in fare after auction ends early (7)
SALCHOW – CHOW [fare, as in food] after SAL{e}. A jump named for Swedish figure skater (and world champion in 1909) Ulrich Salchow, and not to be confused with the Norwegian Axel or the Austrian Lutz.
20 They’d ruin sea trip? (7)
PIRATES – (SEA TRIP*), semi-&lit
22 Be able to broadcast under any conditions? (5)
NOHOW – homophone of KNOW HOW
24 Sequence to work out (5)
TRAIN – double def
25 French day centre’s abandoned by Order of the Republic? (4)
JEDI – JE{u}DI. q.v. “Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic”, the video game

64 comments on “Times 28,277: Be Careful What You Wish For”

  1. No wonder I couldn’t see a problem with 13ac: it had been corrected by the time I got to it. Wasn’t sure if I really knew the meaning of NOHOW. My last one in was the hidden at 17dn, which was highly irritating and convinced me of my feebleness. Good clue. Never understood how NONIRON worked, of course, and thought it was a rather feeble CD.

    I noticed that Verlaine was parsing fully as he went. My 45 minutes was rather longer than his — how does he manage to be in no rush at all yet still get it done in a time that is completely outside my zone?

    Edited at 2022-04-29 10:42 am (UTC)

    1. It’s slightly vexing to do the crossword as a live stream as one does feel obliged both to not cut too many corners and to offer semi-humorous semi-explanatory commentary throughout… I’m sure it’s not conducive to REAL speedy solving.
  2. 38:24. A toughie. ENTAIL had been corrected by the time I printed it out, but it didn’t speed me up much. I managed to get SALCHOW and NONIRON but hadn’t heard of the former and couldn’t parse the latter — probably never would even if I swapped my watch for a calendar. The rest just took time to assemble. Great stuff.
  3. By the time I got to ENTAIL it had been corrected and I see that there’s an apology from the editor on the Club forum. Absolutely no idea about NONIRON (thanks V). Some schoolgirl French needed for this one, entailing a recital of the days of the week and the numbers up to 20. Plus two engine sounds (is it our car making that noise?). TIP IT DOWN looked a bit funny for “pour” but it had to be. Some good stuff here but I ended up an EQUIVOCAL 20.36
    1. Tip it down refers to rain, rather than pouring from a spout — you’ve been too long across the pond!
  4. 24.00 but failed with jedi. Went for veni, thinking it was a reference to Rome . Bit put off by the dred in vendredi not being technically the middle. Should have stayed with my instinct and gone through all the days of the week!

    Ah well, enjoyed the puzzle anyway. Not convinced about pub bore. It fits but how does that fitthe whole clue?Liked the tricky poverty stricken but COD was nohow.
    Thx setter and blogger.

  5. …looked up the NHO TIENTSIN just to be sure before pressing submit.

    NONIRON might have been convoluted but the idea behind it was good.

    For some reason, I know of ORMERS but would be guessing if I told you what they look like.

    No probs with the ENTAIL clue — must have been fixed by the time I got to it.

    NOHOW — only place I’ve ever heard of this is in the lyric of Sister Sledge’s ‘Lost In Music’…:

    “I won’t give up my music
    Not me, not now, no way, no how”

    ….where I guess it means the same as ‘under any conditions’.

    1. Yes, I definitely think NOHOW passes the substitution test, in most usages of it that one can conjure up.
  6. Had to construct the unknown ORMERS, TIENTSIN and NOHOW from wordplay. Hesitated over KNOCKDOWN until I had the first K as I forgot that pink can mean knock. Didn’t have the faintest idea what was going on with NONIRON, thought HOOCH would be some quasi-religious spirit I wouldn’t know how until I put the two houses the right way round, and – as people of my generation like to put it – I was today years old when I learned how to spell SALCHOW.

    A fun challenge, even with the problems others have noted.

    FOI Irate
    LOI Salchow
    COD Tip it down

  7. ….which I was relieved to finish correctly. I’ve successfully avoided watching Star Wars from day 1 (although if forced I’d take it in preference to either Tolkien or Harry bloody Potter) but I do know enough of the basics to stretch to JEDI.

    I live close enough to Manchester to know that outsiders believe that it will TIP IT DOWN 200+ days per year, but I always found it wetter when I was exiled to the West Midlands.

    FOI BRONZE AGE
    LOI NONIRON (nonparsed)
    COD STREAKER
    TIME 12:46

  8. DNF defeated by NONIRON. First, I just couldn’t see it even with all the checkers. Second, it should be hyphenated. Third, the clue was…weird.
  9. Great puzzle, save for the error in clueing ENTAIL, which I noticed but forgave as I was enjoying myself. Very happy to finish, albeit after three visits, first before breakfast and last after the opera this evening (La Traviata in the Staatsoper in Berlin, and well worth an evening if you happen to be in town). No idea of total time, but it was lots. Thanks to our blogger for parsing NONIRON and for the ice-skating lesson: none of those jumps is known to me, but SALCHOW was generously clued.
  10. I stopped after 59 3/4 minutes with one clue to go, and when I returned about 3 hours later I saw NONIRON right away, but with no idea how it worked. And that may have been better — what a strange clue! TIENTSIN and SALCHOW were also not easy, but the wordplay helped a lot. As for the surface reading for NONIRON, perhaps the setter, like me, is not of the youngest generation: I remember when noniron shirts first appeared around 1960 or so that they were very stiff and uncomfortable, so “few did like such garments” then. Would that be an explanation?

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