Times 27,557: Sunshine SPQRman

The disappointment of a pink square for me as I somehow managed to submit PENINENT at 16dn, after 9 minutes. Woe am I!

I probably deserved to come a cropper as I wasn’t entirely on the wavelength for this one anyway, needing to post-parse a number of the clues. My favourites were the &lit type clues, the dossier about the horse, and on sheer Lit Hum principle, 26dn. Been a very long time since I last opened a dusty Loeb of Livy…

How’d you all find it? You can answer that in or out of your underwear.

ACROSS
1 Such lies even Hitler couldn’t tell (9)
BAREFACED – I assume that this is because Hitler is well-known for always sporting a toothbrush mustache?

6 Sum up days lost by policeman (5)
RECAP – RE{d}CAP is the policeman who loses his D for days

9 Artless young woman is remarkably genuine (7)
INGENUE – (GENUINE*), FOI

10 Receiving bonus regularly, book one holiday camp (7)
BIVOUAC – B I VAC [book | one | holiday], “receiving” {b}O{n}U{s}

11 Come together on returning (3)
GEL – reversed LEG [on]

12 Idiomatic expression initially spelled out differently, in other words (4,2,2,3)
THAT IS TO SAY – I think this works as follows: take the initially letters of I{diomatic} E{xpression}, and spell them out differently as i.e.: now you have an expression meaning “that is to say”. Seems a little bit laborious though; any advances on that?

14 On protective coat receive mark (6)
TARGET – on TAR [protective coat], GET [receive]

15 Needless to say “astray” when a female’s lost (2,6)
OF COURSE – OF{f} COURSE [astray] losing an F for female

17 Find out about unusual sort of radiation (8)
INFRARED – (FIND*) about RARE

19 Explosion across dry valley (6)
BOTTOM – BOOM “across” TT

22 In early morning, Disney cooked some breakfast so? (5-4,2)
SUNNY-SIDE UP – in SUN-UP, (DISNEY*) [“cooked”]

23 Backing conflict in government (3)
RAJ – reversed JAR [conflict, stressed on the second syllable]

25 Lively music institute recalled in fury (7)
RAGTIME – MIT [(Massachusetts) institute] reversed in RAGE

27 One spring flower missing in eastern country (7)
ICELAND – I CELAND{ine} [one | spring flower, minus IN E]. Hope nobody biffs in Ireland!

28 Having insipid character, like a neglected garden (5)
WEEDY – double def

29 Came across party-goers in tweeds in odd places (9)
TRAVERSED – RAVERS in T{w}E{e}D{s}

DOWN
1 Ask about fashionable creature (5)
BEING – BEG [ask] “about” IN [fashionable]

2 Soldier in regiment with pistol raised (7)
REGULAR – reverse all of RA LUGER [regiment | pistol]

3 Determine fortnightly magazine is a swindle (4,3,4)
FIND THE LADY – FIND [determine] + THE LADY [fortnightly mag]

4 Old ruler a usurper, it is whispered (6)
CAESAR – homophone of SEIZER [usurper]

5 Extracts information by removing underwear? (8)
DEBRIEFS – cryptic definition by way of humorous misunderstanding

6 One ultimately knowledgeable in scripture? (3)
REV – RV [Revised Version = scripture], containing {knowledgeabl}E, &lit

7 Boxer’s pleasure boat (7)
CRUISER – cruiserweight aka junior heavyweight is a weight class in boxing; this clue made not much sense to me until I looked that up! But I expect it’s kosher.

8 One from unknown herd rampaging through wrecked camp? (9)
PACHYDERM – (Y HERD*) [“rampaging”] through (CAMP*) [“wrecked”], semi-&lit.

13 Hopes report when edited is something covering the whole world in some depth (11)
TROPOSPHERE – (HOPES REPORT*) [“edited”]. The troposphere is the lowest layer of the Earth’s atmosphere, average height about 13km up.

14 Close relatives man such a ship (4-5)
TWIN-SCREW – TWINS CREW [(the closest of) close relatives | man]

16 Writer on purpose omitting name — sorry! (8)
PENITENT – PEN [writer] on I{n}TENT [purpose, minus N for name]

18 Illegally obtain dossier about horse (7)
FINAGLE – FILE “about” NAG

20 Around hospital looks after dangerous people (7)
THREATS – around H, TREATS [looks after (lavishly)]

21 Flight concealed by the giraffes (6)
HEGIRA – hidden in {t}HE GIRA{ffes}. This is assassination-evading flight of Muhammad and Abu Bakr from Mecca to Yathrib in 622 CE. Can be spelt in a number of different ways too.

24 Tired of ornamental stone, given diamonds (5)
JADED – JADE [ornamental stone] + D for diamonds

26 Historian left out possible poisoner (3)
IVY – {l}IVY is the great Roman historian who wrote Ab Urbe Condita. Where I now live the danger is usually poison oak, not poison ivy, but the pain is still the same!

77 comments on “Times 27,557: Sunshine SPQRman”

  1. Hard work but enjoyable and worth persevering with. Completed in 58 minutes managing to resist the temptation to give in and resort to aids. I parsed THAT IS TO SAY exactly as in the blog.

    Edited at 2020-01-10 01:31 am (UTC)

  2. Thanks, V. Like Jack, I read 12a as you did. And I read 1a as you described; is the “even” in this clue performing some function?

    DNK either “The Lady” as a magazine or “Find the Lady” as a swindle, so put this in as the most likely.

    Thanks for the early blog and to the setter.

      1. Thanks, Jack. Overall the clue met my ultimate test – once you’ve twigged to the cryptic and straight bits, you’re pretty confident that you’ve got the answer correct.
  3. I didn’t know celandine, so opted for the crosswordland flower, r, and a springing eland, even though that didn’t really follow the logic. But after Hitler’s moustache and the devious i.e. I was willing to take a risk. I liked the tricky &lits.
  4. I finished this puzzle in 32 minutes, which means I had forgotten it was Friday

    At 1ac it was rumoured that Hitler had a wart on his top lip (Fletcher) which is why he grew his idiosyncratic ‘tash. But it maybe a barefaced lie.

    FOI 7dn CRUISER

    LOI 6acv RECAP: REDCAP a Military Policemen no less

    COD 21dn HEGIRA!

    WOD 22ac SUNNY-SIDE UP

    Edited at 2020-01-10 11:56 am (UTC)

  5. Ah, thanks, I’m glad there was a bit more to THAT IS TO SAY than I had the patience to discover—although i put in none of the others without parsing. LOI was ICELAND, and I looked up the plant.
  6. Once again failure to solve a clue keeps me from submitting a completed puzzle with an error (IRELAND, of course). I didn’t know the boxer, and only knew CRUISER as a naval vessel not a boat, but put it in with a shrug. But FIND THE LADY was beyond me; DNK the magazine or the swindle.
  7. has been played on Oxford Street, London for many a year.
    You should visit watch unsuspecting American tourists getting fleeced! It also has a far ruder name, but we’ll not go there! Oh! and ‘The Lady’ is to be found on Bedford Street/Maiden Lane, next door to the legendary Vera Trinder.

    Cruiserweight is well kosher! David ‘The Haymaker’ Haye was another legend.
    A cruiser is a light, one cabin pleasure boat or yacht as well as a speedy naval vessel.

    Edited at 2020-01-10 07:43 am (UTC)

    1. Would those Oxford Street fleecees be the cousins of the unsuspecting Brits getting done at Three Card Monte in Times Square?
        1. Well, both have nothing up their sleeve, and at no time do any of their fingers leave their hands. Sounds like a family resemblance to me.
  8. I didn’t mind my error yesterday as it was due to lack of knowledge but I’m annoyed at today’s as it was through stupidity. Left with just the ship I could only think of TAIL SCREW which sounded like a thing, but I had no idea how tails could mean close relatives. That’s because it can’t! Aargh!
    1. No consolation to you, but I very nearly submitted with the same error. As it was, a few seconds checking, and….
  9. 12:24. After an epic fail to get through today’s QC in anything close to my target time, I actually finished this quicker. I couldn’t see how 12A worked, so thanks for that V. Fortunately I remembered celandine quickly so didn’t get stuck on ICELAND. COD to PACHYDERM. Which reminds me… I’d better get on with completing my Jumbo blog due for publication tomorrow. Thanks V and setter.
  10. 14:56 … a few things not entirely understood, and a few things learned post-solve. I hadn’t realised that a PACHYDERM is not really a thing at all, coming from a mistaken classification, pachydermata, long abandoned by biologists.

    And a long delay before BIVOUAC finally came to mind, wondering if I’d gone wrong somewhere else. It really is an odd-looking word. I’d always assumed its origin was French but apparently it’s Swiss German — bīwacht auxiliary patrol, equivalent to bī- by- + wacht patrol, watch

    Always ‘appy when I gets me some edukation. Thanks, setter and errant V

  11. 21 minutes, so on wavelength. LOI was ICELAND, finally seeing the celandine that made up my mind. Playing fortnightly in my earlier life was Lord Gnome’s organ, but I did manage to think of my joint COD FIND THE LADY quickly. The other recipient is FINAGLE for the sheer delight of finding the word when playing with the letters. Very enjoyable. Thank you V and setter.
    1. You reminded me that I was going to object that FINAGLE doesn’t mean to get by illegal means, but by devious or dishonest means; I’ve never heard it used with the ‘illegal’ implication.
        1. Chambers notes to swindle – which is an illegal act. But I would never imagine one might appear in court on a charge of finagling per se.
  12. It seems I was on the wavelength today as I only found this moderately tough. 41 minutes with ICELAND last in, but I did work out the wordplay and vaguely recalled celandine from somewhere (not my Big List, apparently.)

    Bristol’s replica of John Cabot’s Matthew is currently up on the patent slip in Underfall Yard, just around the corner, and anyone wandering through there at the moment is treated to the incongruous sight of the TWIN SCREWs of a 15th-century caravel while she’s out of the water. I’m told the crew who recreated her trip to Newfoundland would have been happy to forego the engine, but modern safety regulations intervened.

  13. 35 mins pre brekker.
    Couldn’t parse Thatistosay, so thanks for explaining. I never spot those ‘find the letters then dis-abbreviate’ clues.
    Mostly I liked Finagle.
    Thanks setter and V.
  14. 13:16. A very enjoyable puzzle, with plenty of stuff that needed a bit of head-scratching and attention to the wordplay. A few things I only sort-of knew (that a cruiserweight can be just a CRUISER) and a few I didn’t know at all (HEGIRA) but all fairly clued.
    I interpreted 12ac slightly differently: if you take the first letters of ‘idiomatic expression’ you get i.e., so there’s no need to ‘spell them out differently to get… i.e. So I thought ‘spelled out differently’ was an instruction to convert i.e. to the answer. Not that it makes a blind bit of difference of course!
  15. A strange one for me. Took ages to tune in, staring in bafflement at a blank grid. Finally found and cracked a couple of anagrams and then gradually found the setter’s wavelength. Went through a grumpy patch including several biffs with a shrug (thanks V for explanations, especially THAT IS TO SAY) before arriving at the destination with grudging appreciation of the setter’s art. I once did an interview for The Lady so should have known that. It still boasts an ABC of 23,000 print copies. Nice to know there are that many ladies left in the UK.
  16. Tired and off the wavelength. Liked bivouac, regular which allowed me to correct baldfaced (don’t ask!), liked the elephant in the room, but didn’t like LOI Iceland much, where I finally guessed celandine was a more likely plant than any other combination one could create.
  17. Got there in the end, although I did put Ireland… and had to correct it when I realise it must be wrong. Thought ‘barefaced’ was a bit of a stretch.
  18. 38 mins; a bit slow today. That said, I thoroughly enjoyed solving this one – I thought it was a fun puzzle with a good level of challenge. 17ac was good.
    Thanks v.
  19. Had to go a long way down memory lane to find the Lady only to find that it’s our old friend from Times Square – 3 card monte. My mother took the Lady and Nursery World when I was small and I won the kids competition so many times in the latter they had to tell me to stop!. It is in fact Nursery World that was the fortnightly – the Lady was weekly and I see it still is. 16.48
    1. I was another who scratched my head over “fortnightly”. When I had my paper round among the posh residences of Bowdon (most of them are now apartments), I regularly delivered “The Lady” to an address there. I was sure that happened weekly.
    2. I grew up on the outskirts of London but it’s the image of a hustler in Times Square that springs to my mind. It’s just possible that I’ve watched a little too much US telly.

      I’ve most recently seen the three card monte scene in White Collar, and several times. I suppose it’s de rigueur in a New York show about a con man (hey, I’ve got to watch something while I’m on the exercise bike!)

        1. I will add that to the list of possibles for stemming the exercise boredom. I’ve got seven seasons of Once Upon a Time to get through before I have to make another choice, mind…
  20. Really enjoyed this; lots of satisfying penny-drop moments, especially in the NW corner, and words which were interesting without being unnecessarily obscure. As a subscriber to Private Eye, my brain found it difficult to get past that to another fortnightly organ which it turned out I did know, though I am not part of its readership.
  21. BAREFACED a stretch, and just escaped the SCREW mistake as mentioned above. Knew FIND THE LADY, as a cricket commentator once described how Andrew Hilditch’s batting against Ian Botham was like someone continually falling for the three-card trick.

    Re CAESAR, pronounced as in the German emperor Bill as far as I knew, it only occurred to me in later life that RP Latin would be spoken in what we now call an Italian accent.

    18 and a bit, thanks verlaine and setter.

  22. If I’d done this online I’d have had one pink square, as I fell for IRELAND without giving it enough thought. Found it hard to get started, reaching 28a WEEDY as my FOI, but then the bottom half went in (with the error) and the splendid PACHYDERM and BIVOUAC (yes there is a word ending U-C so cruiser is correct). Finally twigged 3d as Mrs K used to subscribe to The Lady for the small ads, and then the amusing 1a. Half an hour of joy, pity I didn’t go for ICELAND though, as their bank stole some of my money in 2008, should have been top of mind.
    Getting tapped on the shoulder by the Head Porter to recite the dinner Grace in Latin was always an ordeal, however you did it you’d be told afterwards it was wrong, too fast, too slow, not the correct pronunciation … Nos miseri homines et egeni …. … I think 50 odd years on I am still word perfect. But is it mIseri or misEri?
  23. Started badly my FOI being 28a as just couldn’t seem to see anything. Slowly the SW filled out and the rest then seemed to follow, apart from 17ac which I stared and stared at until I just bunged in INFLAMED (lame=unusual?), crossed fingers and hoped.
  24. ….to crack my LOI. I biffed THAT IS TO SAY, so thanks for ironing that out V.

    FOI RECAP
    LOI CAESAR
    COD BIVOUAC
    TIME 16:01

  25. 9m 21s finishing on ICELAND, having vaguely heard of CELANDINE and thought it a more likely flower than a RELANDINE.

    I didn’t manage to parse RECAP or THAT IS TO SAY (a poor clue, in my view), and I didn’t know TWIN-SCREW, FIND THE LADY or HEGIRA. I’d heard of The Lady during Rachel Johnson’s traumatic editorship, but (like Tim) I’d thought Private Eye was the only fortnightly magazine.

  26. Quite tricky. Only a modicum of iPhone necessary – within acceptable limits. Liked BIVOUAC.
  27. Seeing Disney and Pachyderm in the same crossword brought to mind the fabulous Colonel Haithi’s March from the Jungle Book movie. I happily quote the the final verse here:

    “We’re a cracker jack brigade
    On a pachyderm parade
    But we’d rather stroll to a waterhole
    Hup two three four
    For a furlough in the shade”

    Thanks setter and Verlaine (particularly for parsing 12ac)

  28. 13:23.

    Interesting to see that the missing N from ANNENCY (sic) earlier in the week showed up today in CELADINE (sic).

    I got a bit of a shock trying to parse 12 when I scribbled down what THAT IS TO SAY comes out as when “initially spelled out”.

    COD to FINAGLE mainly for the word itself.

  29. 24:13. I didn’t know the twin-screw so that went in from wp. Both barefaced and that is to say were biffs with the cryptic elements going over my head. I liked the clues for pachyderm and infrared but COD to debriefs which made me laugh.
  30. Almost half an hour, after being seriously held up by having biffed BUTLINS at 10ac – from BoNuS, with the rest to be found somehow, and a MER for product placement.
    I never did parse it, but a couple more checkers made it clear what was needed, so thanks Verlaine for explanation, and also 12ac.
    Knew of the magazine in 3dn, though not how often it appeared – coincidentally I’m just about to tackle the Eye’s fortnightly Cyclops.
  31. I had to keep pausing this puzzle, as I was at my daughter’s house to let the plumber in to fix a leak in an underfloor(concrete) pipe, but nevertheless appear to have been on the wavelength. Only INGENUE went in the NW on first pass, but the NE and SE provided richer pickings. Never did parse THAT IS TO SAY, but it fitted the definition and checkers. FIND THE LADY sprang to mind after I got the Y in SUNNY-SIDE UP. Thought carefully before putting in the second letter of I_ELAND, and happily recalled Celandine. RECAP was FOI, and CAESAR came in last. Nice puzzle. 23:00. Thanks setter and V.
  32. as above, several goes at this one, which finished with too many gaps in the NW. Never did understand BAREFACED till I got here, and again as above, was tempted by INFLAMED. As yesterday, there was a trap, this time with IRELAND/ICELAND, which I fortunately saw immediately this time.
  33. Held up for ages by TWIN-SCREW and INFRARED. Otherwise would have been far more respectable. Some nice fun clues and entries.
  34. 44 minutes today, the last five or so being spent agonising over whether it was IRELAND or ICELAND, finally deciding that CELANDINE was a more likely name for a spring flower than RELANDINE. A fun puzzle, not too hard (I also was able to forget it is Friday), but, like yesterday, with that one tricky bit at the end having me make up a word which then turned out actually to exist!

    Edited at 2020-01-10 04:52 pm (UTC)

  35. Many thanks for the blog and esp for explaining THAT IS TO SAY which I spent ages trying to understand to no avail. The comments re pronunciation of CAESAR are most interesting, and completely new to me, but for the purpose of the crossword, the way it’s pronounced in English would seem to be all that matters really.
    1. It’s one of those things that crops up in crosswords enough that you just have to take it on faith! If you don’t understand cricket, as I don’t.
  36. I have to thank kindly checkers for REV, IVY and the guessed HEGIRA. The SE corner held me up the longest
  37. Well I DNF’d on today’s QC, but finished this just after pulling out of Orpington, which makes it about 28 minutes. Riddle me that. Guessed LOI HEGIRA though (crikey!).

    Many thanks for the blog, which made much more sense than most of my half baked post biff rationalisations!

    Templar

  38. Am I the only one who objects to “having insipid character” as a definition for weedy? Perhaps they were thinking of “reedy”? And do people win crossword competitions by biffing or do they have to explain the parsing too? And does anyone still read comments left three days after the blog was written…

    Kind regards.
    John W.

    1. My wife and I are reading this 2 months after the blog was written!
      We get the crossword from The Australian, complete with its different numbering system!, and gradually work our way through randomly picked from the pile of older editions with much shared delight as we battle jointly through the various wordplays, etc. We’re in awe of those who finish in single figure minutes. And we enjoy getting to recognise the different contributors with their various icons. You all bring us much joy in this corner of the globe, despite the current COVID miseries. It’s also been a pleasure finding this coterie of cruciverbal colloquials (in a new sense of the word!)

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