Times 26,897: Divided By A Common Language

I don’t know if I’d call this puzzle fully Fridayish (pace 8dn), but it was at the very least Tuesdayish, slowing me up with some trickier clues towards the end to a final tune of 8 minutes. I discerned a definite transatlantic flavour to this one, correct me if I’m wrong, with 2dn being potentially quite mystifying to a Brit, 5dn self-evidently, and even 18dn possibly referring to a place in Minnesota (though then again with pop. 1,325, probably not). And then there are the two surfaces that are plainly referencing the turbulent reign of POTUS 45 at 15ac and 8dn…

But then again, the Victorian novel in 1dn may not have made a big splash stateside, having been reviewed thus the New York Times: “There is that kind of quiet, commonplace, everyday joking in it which we are to suppose is highly satisfactory to our cousins across the water … Our way of manufacturing fun is different.” Is a remake with Steve Carell in the title role in order? And there are a couple of clues in the early across numbers which go full classical by requiring knowledge of Latin. All in all I can see why they scheduled this potpourri for a Friday, as it does seem well-constructed to please a Verlaine, thanks setter! (Your blogger did NOT know the scientific 28ac, but the wordplay here was fairly generous, plus no cricketing terms anywhere in the puzzle.)

COD to 3dn for being a crossword clue about crossword clues (Verlaines love self-reflexivity), chestnut-wood spoons to the at 25ac and 29ac which seems to turn up often enough that you can almost put it straight in from “Syrian”. FOI 10ac, LOI 4dn after I’d finally worked out what needed to go into DEED at 1ac, and got the starting F, after which it was a write-in. How did yourselves fare today?

ACROSS
1 Questioned the thing done, with brusque interrupting (9)
DEBRIEFED – DEED [the thing done], with BRIEF [brusque] “interrupting”
6 Profess intention to oust idiot from class (5)
CLAIM – CL{ass->AIM}
9 Apart, ut infra (7)
ASUNDER – AS UNDER being the literal translation of “ut infra”
10 Classical law: I study a range of terminology (7)
LEXICON – LEX I CON [classical law | I | study]
11 Troublemaker, unknown quantity, one no longer at school (3)
YOB – Y OB [unknown quantity | old boy, i.e. one no longer at school]
12 After war he and I sadly not the best of friends? (4-7)
FAIR-WEATHER – (AFTER WAR HE I*) [“sadly”]
14 Stick around at home, like a sort of pet? (6)
CANINE – CANE [stick] around IN [at home]
15 President getting perturbed spoke incoherently (8)
PRATTLED – P [President] getting RATTLED [perturbed]
17 Country inn, outside which is an historical object (8)
REPUBLIC – PUB [inn], outside which is RELIC [an historical object]
19 Second Indian dish may make one run! (6)
SCURRY – S CURRY [second | Indian dish]
22 Question from gangster’s follower about destination, making ready? (11)
WHEREWITHAL – a rather laborious definition of the unlikely question WHERE WITH AL (Capone)?
23 Like some wine from these cellars (3)
SEC – hidden in {the}SE C{ellars}
25 Selection of words in pamphlet once (7)
EXTRACT – EX-TRACT [pamphlet once]
27 European fixer about to accommodate a set (7)
LATVIAN – NAIL reversed [fixed “about”] “to accommodate” A TV [a | set]
28 There’s nothing about sort of current needed for nuclear research device (5)
LINAC – NIL reversed [nothing “about”] + AC [sort of current]. A “linear accelerator”, which I DNK, but now I do!
29 Syrian in a location behind barrier (9)
DAMASCENE – A SCENE [a | location] behind DAM [barrier]

DOWN
1 Nobody wrote one in the nineteenth century (5)
DIARY – cryptic definition referring to George & Weedon Grossmith’s comic novel first serialised in the late 1880s, very popular in the early c20th and, I assume, almost never read by the youth of today. TLS <3
2 Rose as a reactionary in America (7)
BOURBON – a quite obscure double def, on both sides! President Grover Cleveland was apparently the archetypal Bourbon Democrat.
3 Like word very hard to clue one put in “banned” file originally (11)
INDEFINABLE – I [one] put in (BANNED FILE*) [“original”]
4 Much beer less than completely admirable — get upset inside (6)
FIRKIN – FIN{e} [“less than completely” admirable], IRK [get upset] inside
5 Nice English will keep rules and regulations in US location (8)
DELAWARE – DEAR E [nice | English] will keep LAW [rules and regulations]
6 One directing eight or ten joining firm (3)
COX – X [ten] joining CO [firm]
7 Everyone gets to eat salmon and drink at celebration? (7)
ALCOHOL – ALL [everyone] “gets to eat” COHO [salmon]
8 Assistant in a fascist party cleared in a month (3,6)
MAN FRIDAY – A NF RID [a | fascist party | cleared] in MAY [a month]
13 Communicates a rustic tale animatedly (11)
ARTICULATES – (A RUSTIC TALE*) [“animatedly”]
14 Exercise in gym that could make Walter ache, losing head (9)
CARTWHEEL – (WALTER {a}CHE*) [“that could make…”]
16 Struggled to hold note: a chant ultimately spoiled (8)
VITIATED – VIED [struggled] “to hold” TI A {chan}T
18 City break with awful smell around, not good (7)
PRESTON – REST [break] with PON{g} around
20 On street this person’s becoming rebellious (7)
RESTIVE – RE ST I’VE [on | street | this person has]
21 Affection half veiled in phoney greeting (6)
SHALOM – LO{ve} in SHAM [phoney]
24 Story of competition with someone really good knocked out (5)
CONTE – CONTE{st}
25 Vehicle, about to get submerged in part of turning circle? (3)
ARC – {C->}AR with the C [about] sinking to the bottom

72 comments on “Times 26,897: Divided By A Common Language”

  1. Hm, a rare event for me, crossword finished before the blog has arrived.. enjoyed this, a couple of unknowns but reasonably definite wordplay to compensate

    I occasionally drink a Bourbon called “Five Roses,” and I’m beginning to wonder whether there is a deliberate pun in there somewhere

    Edited at 2017-12-01 08:30 am (UTC)

  2. Apart from a self inflicted hold up,violated biffed at 16 a straightforward albeit eclectic offering.I liked 22 although the surface doesn’t really work.15 TY V and setter
  3. 16m. Interesting puzzle.
    2dn is a bit of an abomination really: a DD in which both Ds are indeed rather obscure. I got it from the association with Four Roses and a vague notion that this could easily be a word for a reactionary in the US, coined by Lafayette perhaps. Oh, and the checkers of course. Mostly the checkers actually.

    Edited at 2017-12-01 09:07 am (UTC)

    1. Totally agree the clue is horrible. The worst part is the need to go to the dictionary for closure since there’s no obvious (to me) reason to believe the answer fits either obscure definition.
  4. 35 mins with croissant (hoorah), G&Lime marmalade and a Manhattan. Just kidding, although I did mix myself a sublime one last night with Woodford Reserve and Antica Carpano and Luxado cherry garnish.

    O yes, the crossword. it isn’t Bourbon that takes the biscuit but ‘Linac’ and ‘Coho’. Good grief, just when I am mastering Nineteenth century fiction, I am expected to know particle accelerators and esoteric fish!

    Mostly I liked: Scurry (that’s more my level), and COD to 6ac for the clever construction.

    Thanks polymath setter and V.

    1. The wordplay was pretty generous for LINAC, I thought. I had never heard of it either.
      Coho is something of a crossword commonplace. That’s certainly the only reason I know it. In any event with ALC_H_L and ‘drink at celebration’ in the clue you don’t really need to.
      1. I now instantly think of COHO when I see “salmon” in a clue, which probably amply demonstrates I’ve been doing these things for a while now.
        1. Likewise! To the extent that I actually constructed the answer outwards from it, where ALL is a much more natural starting point… for a normal person.
  5. 17 minutes to complete a fairly undemanding week. I knew neither the linear accelerator (I do now!) nor the two meanings of BOURBON. Perhaps “royal whiskey biscuit” was deemed too easy. I liked the hint of scatology at 19, the slightly laboured pun at 22 and the substitution device at 6. Thanks as ever V, especially for the extensive prologue: any chance there’ll be a collection of them issued soon?

    Edited at 2017-12-01 09:04 am (UTC)

    1. They’re more likely to be deleted overnight when I begin my career in politics and need to cover up my dubious past, I’d have thought…
  6. And why not! I think the toff has had a couple already, bless him! Utter gibber!

    I always associate 2dn BOURBONs with biscuits. My LOI. A Bourbon Democrat should be a cocktail, Two measures of ‘Five Roses’, curacao, lime juice and champagne perhaps. Mr. myrtilus please shake one? No Gin!

    Breakfast – a parafino sherry for Dec 1 first day of winter!; poached eggs on rye – with banana and yoghurt to follow. JBMC.

    This puzzle took me an hour but wasn’t quite as chewy as some Friday Fare.

    FOI 1dn Diary – I recommend the book – ‘ilarious especially young Lupin! Mr. Polly from the same stable.

    COD 8dn COX short and sweet

    WOD FIVE ROSES

    Thank-you Lord Verlaine – when can we please have your proper avatar back – it has the required authority now that mohn2 is in the ascendancy!

    Edited at 2017-12-01 09:15 am (UTC)

    1. My userpic is now, topically, Mr Hardfur Huttle. I trust his moustache will amply meet your stringent standards.

      Edited at 2017-12-01 11:03 am (UTC)

  7. No problem with this potpourri apart from biffing BOURBON based on checkers. LINAC a write-in.
  8. I thought for a while this was going to be too easy but I soon came a cropper and had a lot to think about before eventually completeing it in 39 minutes, just avoiding the resort to aids that had seemed on the cards at one point.

    I bunged in BOURBON without knowing either route to the answer yet there are two others, at least, that I would have known. Still it was the only word I could think of that fitted. My other unknown, LINAC, came from wordplay.

    Edited at 2017-12-01 09:37 am (UTC)

  9. 26′, but CLAIM unparsed, BOURBON from checkers only, LINAC from wordplay, dnk CONTE and unparsed too, OK in end but unsatisfactory. Thanks v and setter.
  10. My run of good times came to an end as I crawled home in 36 minutes, with the 1/2d pairing holding out for ages. In the end BOURBON was the only possible fit – silly really because I should have remembered the rose at least. Needed to trust the cryptic for LINAC and CONTE so two more additions to the file of words I will only ever need for crosswords.
  11. For some reason I couldn’t get a whiff of a wavelength this morning, US references notwithstanding. If anyone did CARTWHEELs in our gym they’d knock a whole row of people off the ellipticals. Actually that’s given me an idea for dealing with the sweaty grunter I try to avoid. Spent too long trying to squeeze Pyongyang into 18d. 18.33
  12. I am obviously not the first, and will presumably not be the last to chime in that a) I had never heard of LINAC, which nevertheless went in confidently from wordplay, and b) I didn’t know either connotation of BOURBON, and that went in less confidently, in a “well, what else can it be (apart from something I haven’t spotted, of course) way. I hesitate to assert that “anything I don’t happen to know” = unfair, but if a lot of people are in the same boat, it makes you suspect it’s the sort of vocabulary which belongs more comfortably in a Mephisto or other high-level puzzle.

    P.S. As always, the most animated and divisive discussion in the pub after the Competition was the question of whether “AL=gangster” should continue to be a thing. My own view is that a man whose heyday was nearly a century ago should have gone the way of the wretched Beerbohm Tree, but as I say, other views are available and strongly held.

    Edited at 2017-12-01 10:45 am (UTC)

    1. A more *constructive* approach would be to find a new Al to become famous for gangsterism. Perhaps Alan Connor could be persuaded to “take one for the team” by holding up a few banks?
      1. Pacino, of course, is happily still alive, so ineligible (and is not even a real gangster, though a very good pretend one). Hoo-ah.
        1. Not forgetting Paul Muni from the original 1932 film. He’s even better in I Was a Fugitive from a Chain Gang – a superior picture released the same year.
            1. I can offer no critical insight apart from saying that I have read (and enjoyed) the book. However, the wiki plot summary of the film, combined with my possibly faulty memory of the original story, suggests it may be one of those films where “based on the novel by” ended up meaning “has the same title as”, so I’m not sure that helps.
            2. This is one noir I haven’t seen, but the reviews aren’t great, I notice. I must be one of the very few people who prefer the 1964 remake of The Killers with Casavetes, Marvin, Angie Dickinson and…Ronnie Reagan in what I believe was his last picture. Of course, Kubrick’s The Killing is very good too. Up there with his best stuff, which for me includes Barry Lyndon and A Clockwork Orange.

              Edited at 2017-12-01 12:21 pm (UTC)

            3. This is one noir I haven’t seen, but the reviews aren’t great, I notice. I must be one of the very few people who prefer the 1964 remake of The Killers with Casavetes, Marvin, Angie Dickinson and…Ronnie Reagan in what I believe was this last picture. Of course, Kubrick’s The Killing is very good too. Up there with his best stuff, which for me includes Barry Lyndon and A Clockwork Orange.
  13. A LINAC isn’t necessarily a research device ; it’s used in the treatment of cancer. Was the reference to a century necessary in 1dn., it put me off?
  14. 28 minutes for this, with nothing to add to what others have said, but a raised eyebrow at V’s comment about 8 down. Fascist? Really?
    1. Would the Guardian lie to us? Okay, they might… But you don’t think that outgoing assistant Steve Bannon’s thought processes could reasonably be placed on the neo-fascist spectrum at all, even arguably? Not that this is the place to delve into such topics, so I shall desist.
      1. Know not enough of the Bannon bloke to comment, but re the Guardian article, anyone who writes ‘quite literally‘ is suspect of crimes against humanities.
  15. 33.49 mins. There seems to be a pattern here for setters of making a very easy crossword, and then bunging a couple of obscure clues just to extend the SNITCH time – or at least so it seems to me. I have to confess that CANINE took me longer than it should, which prevented me from biffing BOURBON. My wife has now enlightened this gardening philistine as the nature of Bourbon roses.
  16. Same as Jimbo, knew LINAC was short for linear accelerator but wrote in BOURBON as my LOI without any idea why except that it fitted. 23 minutes. CoD 12a.
  17. 10:43 … I found this fairly straightforward, and even managed not to misspell DAMASCENE, thanks to a combination of wordplay and a recent conversation here.

    Talking of which, I thought I knew LINAC from a recent outing here and confidently threw it in, but it seems not to have come up before. Was there a similarly named scientific thingy in a recent puzzle (and I think in a similar part of the grid)?

    Entertaining puzzle and blog. Thanks to all concerned with either.

    1. I went through exactly the same thought process S. I was convinced that LINAC had come up recently but on seeing that none of the usual suspects above (present company excepted) had the same thought I decided it must have been another nuclear research device or similar. I even had the same feeling of D V as you in terms of where in the grid it was.
      1. Now that’s interesting, if frustrating that neither of us can remember what the other whatsit was.
          1. I think they have a replica of ENIAC at the National Museum of Computing in Bletchley next door to Bletchley Park. Fascinating stuff. I think that’s the one that used a glass tube full of mercury as its memory or maybe not.
            1. That’s where I’m going wrong – not enough mercury! My tube must be half empty!

              Memory and desire, stirring
              Dull roots with spring rain.

          2. Two days late (only just completed this crossword)

            LIDAR, also five letters, was new to me when it appeared on 17 September. Could this be the word you’re thinking of? Not that it’s ‘nuclear’!

            M.

  18. 20 min, but having forgotten to check anagram at 3dn., had UN-, which meant ‘brusque’ had to be BLUFF in 1ac. – of course I saw the right answer immediately after submitting. (DNK the rose at 2dn., but had a vague memory of the US meaning.)
  19. 12:45 between spoonfuls (spoonsful?) of soup. A biffed BRAMBLE at 2d caused a little bit of a glitch but otherwise this was fairly accessible, with the unknowns (other than bourbon) fairly clued.
  20. I forgot to mention earlier how much I enjoyed 1dn which is my favourite cryptic clue in a long time. Pooter was a wonderful creation and should never be forgotten. One of my favourite incidents was when he acquired a tin of red paint and proceeded to apply it to almost every surface available, including his bath tub. With hilarious result, as they say…

    Edited at 2017-12-01 05:59 pm (UTC)

  21. Today seems to be the improved version compared with yesterday. My desktop has suddenly, off its own bat, decided to allow me to join the Club again, albeit without my puzzle history, due to the browser reset. I managed to sleep until I awoke naturally, with no banging from next door. The nice man from Northumbrian Water came, having rung to give me 20 minutes advance warning, which allowed me to call my plumber, who said he’d be there in 25 minutes, sorted the stop valve in the pavement and waited, with a cup of tea, while the plumber fitted the new valve under my kitchen sink, before turning the exterior stop valve back on. A slick operation! As far as the puzzle is concerned, I had a few unknowns, VITIATED and LINAC from wordplay, BOURBON from checkers and a gut feeling that there is a variety of rose with that name. Unfortunately I also didn’t know my LOI, CONTE and despite the checkers, couldn’t come up with an answer, so resorted to a word finder. The ignominy, especially when I saw the easy wordplay! 38:37. Otherwise a very enjoyable puzzle. Thanks setter and V.
    Breakfast, porridge and fruit as yesterday(fruit = banana, red grapes and blueberries, so horryd doesn’t fret) but with Colombian coffee rather than L’or classique.
  22. Great crossword. No problem on the LINAC here, except I’d never seen the word, but I know what a linear accelerator is. As do many people around here, since the Stanford Linear Accelerator has signs off the 280 freeway which goes right over the top of it (it is about a mile long, they now make accelerators circular like the LHC at CERN). I could put a link to a picture in, but then I go in the naughty box, but if you Google “stanford linear accelerator” and look at the images you can see it with the freeway bridge over the top of it.

    Like everyone else, despite living in the US I’d never heard of BOURBON (well, in these contexts) but I have no expectation that I would know a rose so any likely name works for me. But that made the last few clues in the top left a delay at the end. FIRKIN was not obvious until I had the F. BOURBON was not obvious without the B. I was semi-convinced 1A contained CURT for brusque. Then something clicked and they all went in in a few seconds.

  23. …and I’m sure there are lots of witty comments too, but I’m late to the party (despite having finished the puzzle without too much hesitation last night) and I have an appointment now. I appreciate the very amusing background information on “Diary of a Nobody,” and I did indeed have to guess there must be something like that. I worked the right half first and that upper left corner last. Like Paul, just above, I hadn’t heard of BOURBON in that sense, or I’ve forgotten, but my very LOI was FIRKIN, and I checked to make sure it was a word before I wrote it in.
    Speaking of “self-reflexivity,” a puzzle elsewhere has META as an answer and a friend griped that it is “the latest annoying buzzword.” But I rather like it.

    Edited at 2017-12-01 08:49 pm (UTC)

  24. I went through quickly until the end where I was held up for another 15 minutes trying to deal with BOURBON and CONTE. BOURBON eventually a guess from the checking letters, as I didn’t know either meaning. So please don’t think the reactionary sense of that is common over here. (Of course, I expect someone will soon tell me that it certainly is common here in the US.) CONTE, finally, from wordplay due to me being thick. Regards.
  25. I had a bad night, and this didn’t help my morning. An hour and a half, with one letter wrong—at the arbitrary 50/50 chance I had for 16d I plumped for “vimiated”, which as far as I can see fits the wordplay just as well. Bah.
  26. To answer the esteemed Verlaine’s question, I faired fairly fair, coming out the other side of this one in 31 minutes. And thanks for the blog – appreciated as always.

    BOURBON went in with no understanding of why (which is unusual, because I normally know exactly why Bourbon is going in). VITIATED is one of those words I know, but have never really known the meaning of, so it was nice to have the word and its meaning put together for me. CONTE was a complete NHO, but I managed to get it by trimming the edges off “raconteur” to make it fit in the hole. Incidentally, Google’s dictionary provides a definition of CONTE and also an audio of the pronunciation – the latter is quite startling.

    LOI was DEBRIEFED, because for a long time I inaccountably had “undefinable” at 3d and was struggling to convince myself that “descurted” was a word.

  27. 28 mins on the train this morning got most of the RHS done. 12 mins at lunchtime tidied up everything else but 4dn which fell within a few seconds of looking at the puzzle again after work. I took far too long to think of a place in America containing the word “law”. Generous wp helpful for LINAC, generous checkers helpful for Bourbon (would never have got it from rose and American reactionary). I liked 9ac very much. One of those clues which I thought was going to be impossible to solve when all of a sudden the penny dropped. I have vaguely heard of the diary in 1dn but did not twig the reference when solving and bunged in from checkers and the word wrote in the clue.
  28. The QCs have been tough this week but I had some time today to look at this. I’m pleased I did as I eventually managed to finish it with a few unparsed (Bourbon, Linac but I knew Conte from the French) but all correct. I was stumped in a QC this week when I tried to insert Shalom when it required Salaam. That helped today.
    And as a Preston North End supporter I was delighted to see the relatively new city included. At first I thought of Pyongyang but happily that did not fit. David
    PS question for Verlaine -was that a panda in your previous avatar?
  29. For all those to whom this sounded familiar I can put you out of your misery. It was an answer to one of the puzzles in this year’s championship. Surprised no one else remembers it! Sue Sweeper
  30. Whew! After correcting FERRIN to FIRKIN (which did ring a louder bell) I had everything right, but it took over an hour, and I submitted with my fingers crossed over DIARY, BOURBON and CLAIM (which I couldn’t parse). Very surprised that all guesses were, um, intelligent ones? At least not vastly stupid.
  31. Kung Hei Fat Choy from Hong Kong

    DNF after quick romp to first 30.

    New words/phrases to me: LINAC, COHO & UT INFRA were solvable but indicated the bar was set high for verbal novelty.

    Then with 2D & 14A left to do, the word BLUEBOY suggested itself. Actually BLUE BOY *is* the name of a rose, and I thought BLUE = conservative (in UK) BOY = “good old boy” maybe that’s a thing: biff.

    How about 14A? It’s not hard but I had picked it up the wrong way to think pet = sulking, so a sort of pet = CRYING. IN = “at home” obviously. And what’s CRYG: well I don’t know but the question mark “clearly” indicates that something loose is happening, and in a universe in which LINAC & COHO are words, why not CRYG, so it’s worth a biff.

    I particularly liked the clues for ASUNDER & INDEFINABLE: they are the kind that makes me want to solve the crossword because I must find the answers.

    I needed to learn that sometimes in a Lego clue, the ingredients are applied as is, without finding a synonym or example. So no need for me to be the idiot ass hunting for a replacement for “class”.

    But mentioning some things I enjoyed hopefully gives me a paragraph’s licence to moan 🙂 2D is not cryptic: it’s just double obscure general knowledge. And collision with the illegal question mark in 14A, gave me a DNF. Why is question mark illegal here? Because it’s a reserved term indicating looseness of clue. If “like a sort of pet” is loose, then so is “like word very hard to clue”, which is unquestioned. Putting a misleading question mark in an exact clue is “CRYING ‘wolf'” (= CANINE haha). It’s not even necessary for the surface.

    If I was still in my pet 🙂 I would only award 30/32 to the setter 🙂 but I find I can manage the full 32/32 thanks to setter, blogger and commenters.

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