Times 25036 – No, quite enough, thank you

Author   vinyl1Posted on Categories Daily Cryptic
Solving time: 44 minutes

Music: Holst, The Planets, Mehta/LAPO

This one was unusually tough for a Monday, even though there were quite a few easy clues that could be written in nearly at sight. However, I struggled for quite a bit with the rest. Maybe they weren’t really that hard?

There is no tough vocabulary or obscure knowledge in this puzzle, although I did not know that Elgin was located in Scotland, and therefore Lord Elgin was a Scottish peer – it turns out he
was elected a Scottish Representative Peer in 1790.

Blog note: I am substituting for Russel today, he is traveling. Next week we will both be traveling, so there will be a guest blogger in the Monday slot. Regular service resumes in 2012.

Across
1 DIMPLY, DIM + PLY. One of my last in, as I wondered for a long time how ‘dimpled’ could be made to fit.
4 RANCHERO, RAN + C + HERO, my first in, an easy clue to get started……right?
10 PUNCTILIO, PUN + CL(TI)IO, with IT backwards. Another quick answer for me.
11 RIGHT, sounds like RITE.
12 Skipped!
13 SHORT CHANGE, S([churc]H)ORT [to] CHANGE. I’ll bet you thought this was an anagram, so did I.
14 INSANE, IN(SA)N + E[nergy], where sex appeal has been replaced with the Salvation Army. An improvement?
16 CURLING, CUR + LING. When I was 13, I met a boy who was an enthusiastic proponent of this sport. It was then that I realized there are all types of people in the world.
19 VERDANT, V([th]E RD)AN + T. Another easy one.
20 RHEUMY, sounds like ROOMY. Although I am bad at homonyms, I saw this right away – I think we had a similar one recently.
22 ACHIEVEMENT, A CHI(EVE, MEN)T. I realized right away you had to lift and separate ‘female soldiers’, but I was trying to use ‘brat’ on the outside.
25 Omitted.
26 INDIE, IN + DIE, good use of a clever way of indicating ‘die’.
27 HOUSEMATE, anagram of AT HOME, SUE. Like most experienced solvers would try, I thought ‘at home’ = ‘in’, but not so today.
28 GENOTYPE, G(ENO)TYPE, where ‘one’ is backwards and ‘Egypt’ is the anagrist. Most solvers instinctively convert ‘one’ to ‘l’ and ‘about’ to ‘c’, ‘ca’ or ‘re’. This caused me considerable delay.
29 RECENT, RE(CE)NT. Another good misdirection clue, since ‘new’ is usually either an anagrind or ‘n’.
 
Down
1 DEPOSE, DE(PO’S)E. I thought of this, but couldn’t justify it until I saw the contraction of ‘Po is’ was required.
2 MONSIGNOR, hidden word in [ser]MONS IGNOR[ed].
3 LOTUS, LO([plan]T)US[e] LO(T[he])US[e]. One of my last in, I couldn’t think of any short words for ‘insect’ starting with ‘l’. Then I saw what the plant must be.
5 A SOP TO CERBERUS, anagram of PEER CROSS ABOUT. An easy anagram for me, but maybe not for you?
6 CARTHORSE, CAR(THOR’S)E. Once again, you have to copy the construction of the cryptic into the answer, which slowed me up quite a bit.
7 ELGIN, EL(G)IN, i.e. NILE backwards. Easy enough with the checkers, but I got it without them.
8 OUTWEIGH, sounds like OUT WAY, a clue where my lack of ability with homonyms did hurt me.
9 ALL OVER THE SHOP, double definition, one literalist, one not. In the US we usually say ‘all over the map’, so I had to wait for some checkers to get the last word.
15 ABASEMENT, anagram of MEAT and BEANS. Another one written in at sight.
17 IMMEDIATE, I + M[atch] + MEDIATE. I thought of this right away from the literal, but I couldn’t justify it, so finally gave up and just put it in when I had enough checking letters. Analysed for the blog.
18 AVIATING, A (VIA) TING[e], my last in, and I never saw the cryptic until I just figured it out for the blog. For the longest time I thought this must start with ‘over’, which is likely enough.
21 INVEST, IN VEST. If you were selling shares, it would be a naked short, I suppose.
23 HAD ON, HA(DO)N, where ‘do’ is the abbreviation for ‘ditto’, and the Han are the main ethnic group in China. I could have told you ‘ha don’ means ‘the same’ in Mandarin, just to have you on, but Uncle Yap would have called me out.
24 THERE, THE(R)E. An easy clue that made me feel dull not to see it at once.

40 comments on “Times 25036 – No, quite enough, thank you”

  2. 90 minutes for me, not least because I’d never heard of the sop to the multi-headed hound. After that finally fell, RHEUMY and IMMEDIATE followed.

    I thought 24d was a clever clue, shoving in ‘theme’ for ‘issue’ before coming back and dealing with it properly. MONSIGNOR was a nice hidden clue, but my COD goes to DIMPLY for the fine surface.

    Tough for a Monday – with two Classical references (one forming part of a rare word – PUNCTILIO – to make it even harder) to trip the unwary or provoke the curmudgeonly.

  4. 90 minutes for me as well, including a mistake at 10ac where I had Cleo as the muse. I also had ‘led on’ at 23dn for a long time until I saw how it worked, so that gets my COD vote. Overall it was a bit of a struggle – not my cup of cha.
  5. 40 minutes. Apart from the two 3-letter words I took a long time getting going on this one, then the answers started coming steadily but rather slowly.

    The only words I didn’t know (or more likely had forgotten) were PUNCTILIO and GENOTYPE but both were gettable from the wordplay. A SOP TO CERBERUS took a while to bring to mind but it foxed me earlier in the year when it turned up in the Everyman puzzle and I still just about remembered it. I got LOTUS by thinking LOCUST as the insect and then readjusting my thinking when I couldn’t make the wordplay work. Three homonyms in one puzzle is a little unusual.

  6. 32 minutes, with recent the last by a little way. I liked this one, deft and quietly amusing. Good to be reminded of the excellent habit of carrying a bag of honey-cakes for the three-headed dog. Makes one hanker for a lost age somehow.
  7. And another one who went with the LOCUS{t} reading of 3dn. Wrong, but it worked!

    Definitely harder than your average Monday. Several answers from the literals/crossers and then a post-solve parse. Though I didn’t understand 23dn (HAD ON) until looking here. Many thanks for that Vinyl and your usual excellent blog.

    Hope Koro’s looking in. All the best in Tasmania mate.

  8. DNF and, because I felt I wasn’t on the setter’s wavelength, disinclined to persevere. Good decision because there are some here I would not have resolved (notably RHEUMY, ACHIEVEMENT, A SOP TO CEREBRUS, IMMEDIATE). Many thanks, vinyl, for filling in my gaps and for explaining some I did have right (e.g. HAD ON).
  9. 19 minutes for this, so about average for me.
    “Chit”, A SOP TO CERBERUS (last in) and ELGIN as a Scottish village were unknown today. I hesitated between CLIO and CLEO, and fortunately picked the right one. I didn’t see how HAD ON (“do” for “ditto”) or AVIATING (“tinge” for “dash”) worked, so thanks to vinyl1 for those.
  10. 20 minutes here for a relatively straightforward solve. Luckily the wretched dog has appeared several times over the years. A smattering of good clues amongst the standard fare.

    Elgin is the smallest city in Scotland and stands on the Moray Firth east of Inverness and opposite the Black Isle. Apart from being stunningly beautiful countryside this is where whisky production is a major industry. Well worth a visit.

  11. Best part of 30 minutes today, including a lot of time spent unwinding CERBERUS even with most of the checkers in place – I couldn’t make sense of RHEUMY without the initial R. PUNCTILIO unknown but gettable from cryptic. Three soundalikes in one puzzle is lot, but MONSIGNOR was very nicely hidden.
    DIMPLY was the nearest thing to a CoD
  12. Needed a solver to get the last two: ACHIEVEMENT and AVIATING.

    PUNCTILIO from wordplay, SOP TO CERBERUS from somewhere deep in my memory.

    Can someone please explain INDIE?

    I get: Like a record that’s uncommercial=INDIE; and trendy=IN, but I don’t get Buy it!

    Vinyl says: “good use of a clever way of indicating ‘die’.” Must be too clever a way for me!

    1. You need to watch more WWII movies Janie. In particular aircrew were said to have “bought it over France” for example
  14. Die in the context of buy is arcane, surely. Possibly incorrect. Short-change was tricky, getting the answer rewarding because it led to over in nine down, and the answer to that clue. Was way over 60 minutes when I entered achievement because it was the only word that fitted the down solutions. But is a “chit” cheeky? Mondays never used to be this challenging.

    Enigma

    1. ‘Buy it’ or ‘Bought it’ are in Collins, COED, SOED and Chambers, so it’s certainly not incorrect. And not qualified as ‘archaic’ or other

      Collins and COED define ‘chit’ to include ‘arrogant or impudent’ which I think puts ‘cheeky’ beyond criticism.

  15. Struggled a bit with this. NW corner went in easily but then I hit the buffers. Finished in 39 minutes. But had one wrong. I’d failed to get the cryptic at 24d and thought the definition might be “issue” – hence THEME.
  16. Like our blogger, AVIATING was my last one in. Otherwise, a quick 25 minutes to complete, while watching the annoying “Midsomer Murders”!

    GENOTYPE, HOUSEMATE and A SOP TO CERBERUS were the first ones in – easy anagrams.

    Let’s hope the rest of the week is as straightforward….

    Darryl

  17. 10:16 for me – would have been under 10 minutes if I hadn’t stupidly typed in A SOP FOR CERBERUS (with the final S overwriting the U) and then failed to spot it as quickly as I should have done. I’m relieved to see I wasn’t the only person to make rather heavy weather of this one.
  18. I struggled a lot with this, but did finally finish (on RHEUMY followed by IMMEDIATE) in just over an hour. It was a bit like swimming in molasses (sorry, treacle, not that I have ever done either) — I just couldn’t get on the setter’s wavelength. For example, the clue for 20ac seems to indicate a word meaning “like a big space” and having a homonym meaning “unhealthy”, but it’s just the other way around. And along the way, I also jumped to all of the wrong conclusions mentioned above by other solvers.
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