Times 24567 – Labyrinth

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Time taken to solve: Off the map but somewhere in excess of two hours with some resort to aids after the first hour had passed.

I feel like pasting in yfyap’s comments about yesterday’s puzzle here almost word for word with reference to today’s offering. The only thing I would need to change would be his first sentence where he expressed relief that it was not his day to write the blog as unfortunately that did not apply to me today.

I’m struck by the difference compared with yesterday. That was very hard too and had some obscure words and meanings (today’s has very few if any) but I thoroughly enjoyed getting to grips with it and winning through in the end without aids. This was just a horrible dull slog. I knew within the very first minute that I was in trouble and hated every moment of the solve. Of course this is a personal opinion. I can’t find anything to complain about on a technical level so I imagine others will find it perfectly acceptable though I rather doubt anyone will be comparing it with a stroll in the park.

Across
1 TOMTIT – TO, MovemenT,IT
5 BIRDLIME – MILD RIB reversed,  treaclE. Birdlime is a sticky substance spread on twigs in order to trap small birds.
9 MILANESE – Anagram of ‘isle name’ which for some reason managed to escape my notice until the very end. It was my last in.
10 GROUND – Good,ROUND
11 PERSIA – Peru,SIAm
12 HELIPORT – ‘ Edge’ = LIP then ‘soldiers’ = OR enclosed by anagram of ‘the’. ‘Bombed’ is the anagram indicator.
14 UNREMARKABLE – ‘Plain’ is the straightforward definition. The paper referred to is an exam paper which cannot be re-marked.
17 UNREASONABLE – Double definition, the second as in ‘dear’ meaning ‘expensive’.
20 CROTCHET –  ‘Delicate craft’ = CROCHET enclosing  pinT . ‘Bar’ provides the musical context for the note. I think it’s called a quarter note in the US.
22 Deliberately omitted, please ask if baffled.
23 CAIMAN – AIM inside CAN. This reptile is more commonly spelt with a ‘Y’ I think.
25 RHINITIS – Hidden
26 MEMORIAL – ME,MOR(I)AL
27 NUMBER – Double definition.
 
Down
2 OLIVER – The thespian is Sir Larry Olivier who loses his second ‘I’ to give us OLIVER (Twist) who famously demanded more.
3 TRANSLUSCENT – Anagram of ‘reluctant’ signalled by ‘degenerate’ enclosing North and South partners in the game of bridge.
4 THESAURUS – The star sign TAURUS enclosing HE’S (man’s). The reference book was consulted more than once during this morning’s ordeal.
5 BEECHAM – BEECH,A,Men  – The conductor Sir Thomas Beecham (1879 – 1961).
6 RIGEL – Irish’ = IR reversed as signalled by ‘rampant’ and followed by GEL (setter). RIGEL is the brightest star in Orion.
7 LOO – My first in. Double definition, a WC and a card game.
8 MANDRILL – MAN as in chess followed by DRILL  gives us this member of the monkey family.
13 PLANETARIUM – Anagram of ‘arena it’ enclosed by PLUM. ‘Best’ as in ‘plum job’.
15 REBELLION –  B for ‘bowled’ inside REEL followed by LION .
16 INCREASE – ‘Old people’ =  INCAS encloses RE = ‘on’  followed by E for ‘energy’.
18 NATURAL – Another musical reference. A ‘natural’ is one semitone lower than the same note with a sharp sign. ‘Natural’ meaning a simpleton is new to me and is in the dictionary as an archaism.
19 BELIZE – A somewhat disrespectful reference to our own dear HMQ enclosed by BEE. I think the idea is that a woman said to be ‘queen bee’ is in a position of dominance over others in her circle. I can’t find any reference to these people necessarily being her friends but the question mark covers that I suppose. On edit: It has been pointed out in the comments below that ‘among friends’ refers to the informality of LIZ rather than being applied to BEE. Thanks!
21 HANOI – H,AN, (and to grab your attention) OI !!!!
24 MAO – This is  fOAM reversed, ‘Red’ being the rather loose definition..

38 comments on “Times 24567 – Labyrinth”

  1. This seemed as if it was going to be a reprise of yesterdays cracker/monster (delete one) but after much agonising was left with 17 ac and 16 dn. Having seen a possibility in unseasonable (“not fair” when referring to weather), but with nothing I could see leading to “dear” I found myself in a complete bind. I gave up and went to the aids for the headbangingly obvious, and oh so close UNREASONABLE. INCREASE then fell, and being a beautifully crafted clue is my COD. 33 min.
  2. I’m with you on this one: a long struggle (28 minutes) with none of the wit and elegance of yesterday’s. I thought both long across clues were on the feeble side, and hazarded uncomplicated for 14 (with no conviction and less reason other than it fit the definition) until MANDRILL made it impossible. I’m not enthusiastic about “rampant” effectively meaning “upside-down” in 6d.
    I think the “among friends” in 19 signals the informal LIZ for OODQ.
    Didn’t like anything much, but OLIVER, last in, makes it as my CoD
  3. 20:17 here, so another tough one but not as hard as yesterday’s. I didn’t see much to grumble about myself, but I think the lack of multi-word or hyphenated entries might have made it seem tougher than it was. I don’t know about anybody else, but for me they’re normally an easy way in to a tough puzzle.
  4. 49 minutes. 19 dn: the “between friends” refers to “Liz”, doesn’t it?
  5. 11:42 for this one – no blogging pressure of course. I liked the false allusion to Henry Wood in 5D – here’s a bit of Beecham. Also liked the bishop/primate joke in 8.

    Last four in order were 26, 18, 17, 16.

    Persia and Siam – yes, former countries strictly, but “A country and an old country shortly merge to make another old country” seems a plodding kind of clue.

  6. Slightly intrigued by the two UNRE????ABLE answers in the middle.

    RIGEL at 6D fits my pet “the 20 brightest stars are all you need to know” theory, coming in at no. 6.

  7. Well – I never thought [as a “lurker”] that I would ever be the first to comment. I agree with all that jakkt says about its difficulty and unrewarding nature. I was particularly cross about my last in, “Persia”, since neither it, nor Siam, are contemporary countries. That ought to have been acknowledged in the clue. All that said, I finished in an hour – resorting to Chambers merely to check Rigel.
    1. I had that in my draft blog but deleted it as I thought I was already being negative enough about the puzzle. It’s a fair point though, in my opinion.
  8. Opposite to z8, OLIVER was my first in with BEECHAM immediately thereafter. Were it not for those 2 I might have suspected we had the wrong clues for the grid. At the end of my allotted time 6 remained unsolved with 2 others, PERSIA and HELIPORT not fully understood, but like yesterday’s I used every imaginable aid even to get that far. Too many obscurities in yesterday’s for me to join the chorus of purrs but this one just showed how far I have to go. COD to BELIZE for the queen variation. Bad luck Jack.
  9. Well done Jack, this can’t have been particularly pleasurable to blog.

    It’s always a shame when one can only find things one doesn’t particularly like in a puzzle with no balancing gems. I too think having two defunct countries, neither signposted, is unreasonable as is the archaic use of NATURAL (fair enough in bar crosswords, where the archaic use would almost certainly have been highlighted and the use of the dictionary normal practice). I don’t buy the “among friends” in 19D nor queen=BEE and I’m not that keen on LIZ for HRH. Finally at 21D “required” seems like surplus padding.

    To balance that I can find nothing. This puzzle is best forgotten. I’m off now to do the highly recommended offering from yesterday

    1. At 21D there has to be something between “Husband, an attention seeker” and “capital” to save the surface reading from being nonsense. “… needed to get capital” might have been a better way to show that the wordplay produces the answer, but this kind of tweak aside, what’s your better clue including {attention seeker => OI}, which seems a nice idea.

      Although archaic, ‘natural’ is in the Concise Oxford and is an everyday English word rather than something you’ve never seen in print and have to look up in Chambers to verify that it’s a word at all.

  10. This was indeed every blogger’s nightmare; commiserations, Jack. The clues fell like teeth in a spittoon. I can’t say any were unreasonable, (except perhaps PERSIA) so my slowness should in part be attributed to the setter’s guile. No complaints, then. In the end I couldn’t get 9ac, as a result of BEACHAM (sic), and hence having to abandon my first idea that it must be an anagram. Eventually I decided a morning constitutional was required, during which I ran through every possible variant of ?I?A?E?A at least twice. On returning I noticed my egregious error and got MILANESE straight away. Who said a good walk was a waste of time?
  11. I agree with linxit, tough but not murderously so, and nothing to take exception to (apart from the lack of an “old” reference somehow in 11. And perhaps ‘just’ as ‘moral’.). I enjoyed it as much as most side-dishes to that first mug of tea. Interested to find exact meaning of translucent. 36 minutes.
  12. 23:50, with the last four minutes on 5ac (BIRDLIME) and 7dn (LOO).  Unknowns: CAIMAN thus spelt (23ac), BEECHAM (5dn), MANDRILL (8dn), and NATURAL meaning “simpleton” (18dn).  The game LOO still feels unfamiliar, despite being common in crosswords.

    It’s nice to have a challenge, but I share the general feeling that this puzzle was a comparatively unrewarding slog.  A few points of detail that haven’t been made above:

    I don’t see how ‘obscure’ can be an anagram indicator (9ac MILANESE).  17ac (UNREASONABLE) is not a genuine double definition, as the second part (“dear?”) is just a special case of the first part (“Not fair”).  Beginners should note that 26ac (MEMORIAL) relies on the thought that tour = go round, go round = surround, ∴ tour = surround, a fallacy sanctioned by convention.  The wordplay in 13dn (PLANETARIUM) is botched but defensible: schematically, it reads “PLUM containing ARENAIT is anagrammatized”, which gives an anagram of PLUM-containing-ARENAIT rather than (as no doubt intended) PLUM containing an anagram of ARENAIT.

    Clue of the Day: 8dn (MANDRILL), despite the padding.

    1. Have to take up the cudgels for the setter here. Obscure as hidden or half-hidden seems fair enough as an anagram indicator. Unreasonable can mean costly – an unreasonable price is never too low. Touring that does not go round in the literal sense still vists distant parts of the same area and the correlation seems close enough. In planetarium I suppose one can argue the apostrophe s needs to mean ‘that’ is but seeing the possible longer elision I think makes the jump from the usual shorter one seem natural. There appears to be a collective virtual grouch on today, a cluster (or whatever the collective term should be) of darkening screens.
  13. well…around 1 hour and 45 minutes for me. i actually enjoyed it as i like to persevere at hard clues and i was thrilled to finish! funnily they all seem reasonable when you have the answer as opposed to unreasonable…if id have been faster to see Tomtit then the puzzle would have been much easier. I also struggled with Bridlime and thought that the hardest clue! agree with comments on unfiarness with persia but pretty sure have seen that clue and Oliv(i)er before but not recently!
  14. I had a fairly heavy night last night so I’m not on top form but that alone can’t explain the extent of my failure on this puzzle. I found it incredibly difficult and gave up after spending about the same time as yesterday with fully 10 unsolved. And like others I didn’t find much to enjoy. Harumph!
  15. Another toughish puzzle but easier than yesterday. Time 16:50. Was unfamiliar with CAIMAN with an I and was also misled by the ‘obscure’ anagram indicator in 9. I saw the answer quite quickly but spent a bit of time trying to justify ,or find an alternative. I thought the bait=rib wordplay in 5 was nicely deceptive and OI raised a smile in 21. Above average difficulty – average quality (which is quite good actually – I think we are really quite spoilt – oh no , not steak again!)
  16. Similar experience to others – the 25 m seemed quite a long time as I plodded through. First in Beecham, last in crotchet. Was able to work out the wordplays but this gave small satisfaction. Annoyed by Persia, and the long ‘uns were slow to reveal themselves.
    1. “Lilibet” is the pet name that seems to be mentioned most often, e.g. at this satirical blog.

      But even if the other royals called her Doris, the clue is just a joke, and I think acknowledges that by including “?” after ‘among friends’.

      1. I’m told Prince Philip’s pet name for Her Majesty is “Cabbage”!
  17. This was just a hard unamusing tedious slog. It took me the same time (one hour)as yesterday’s cracker. No comparison.

    I just do not accept that one should have to treat the daily crossword as a rehearsal for the Mephisto!

    By the way, Jimbo, I would be interested to hear your views on 24566.

    1. Mephisto? Where’s the difficult vocabulary? Apart from the proper nouns, I can’t see anything that’s not in the Concise Oxford.
  18. Much harder than yesterday’s for me, with a whole lot of things I’m not familiar with (crotchets, naturals, birdlime, “oi”, tomtits, loo as a game, Beecham) so my time was off the charts, and needed aids to finish/confirm several of these. Despite my being utterly beaten by this offering, I will say that TRANSLUCENT is very good, followed closely by OLIVER. First in MANDRILL, last BIRDLIME/LOO. Regards.
  19. Just dreadful. After today and yesterday, I’m thinking of changing to the Telegraph – or getting another cheating machine. I have been trying to give up the aids.

    Only one amused me – 21 down, HANOI. I used to live there, and to attract someone’s attention, you call out their name, followed by ‘oi’, e.g. Dan – oi! It’s not considered at all rude.

    I agree with Kororareka’s comment about teeth and spittoons – very well put!

  20. I checked in with a DNF not being able to get 1 across or 2 down. Couldn’t finish it before falling asleep, couldn’t finish it over breakfast, didn’t fill it up over coffee… not my best day.
  21. I’m very interested in the comments so far and glad I was not alone in finding this very difficult.

    Some, like Kevin, have been able to explain their difficulties as they were unfamiliar with a number of the words/meanings but apart from the alternative spelling of CAIMAN and an archaic meaning of NATURAL I can’t offer that excuse. Linxit has mentioned the lack of multi-word and hyphenated answers and I agree this may have had some bearing, but I still have absolutely no satisfactory explanation of why I and some others found this one so hard. I’m not sure I have ever gone over 2 hours before today. I am baffled.

  22. A 74 minutes ordeal, harder still ,though a lot less enjoyable than yesterday’s puzzle. Too many obscure clues suggest the compiler is hell-bent on beating the majority of solvers at any cost. A source of great irritation throughout,the type of crossword that could put you off crosswords.
  23. Why does The Times keep doing this? You can be fairly sure that a really difficult one will be followed by another equally difficult or even harder one. There seems to be absolutely no attempt to even out the difficulty.
  24. Another thing I just meant to say: 14ac struck me as bad because the answer could equally well have been ‘unacceptable’.
      1. WHAT HAPPENED TO TONY HAYWARD’S YACHT?

        Given the deep level of piscesit incest between Jacky Fisher and Mohammed Reza Shah, all true sons of BP, like Tony Hayward, are know as Shans. So with a toot from Lilibet de Fart Hayward’s Bob went three sheets in the wind, i.e. a fit hit the shan.

  25. This seemed a bad clue to me – the only reason UNREASONABLE means ‘expensive’ is because it means ‘not fair’, so it’s hardly a double-definition.

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