Times – 24280 – They’ve had it in for us this week

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I read through all the clues without solving one today. At first I put this down to apprehension knowing it was my turn to write the blog at the end of a difficult week, but having settled into it and solved the thing in a little over an hour I think it really was another harder than average puzzle. I shall be interested to read how others got on. My confidence suffered further set-backs when I found what had to be the right answers in a couple of instances but was unable to explain them. I’m thinking of 2dn and 18ac, both of which leapt out at me on first reading but I didn’t write them in because I couldn’t justify them at the time.

Across
1 S(A,PP)HIRE – Staffs being short for the English county of Staffordshire
5 L,A,SCAR – An Asian seaman. I knew the word but couldn’t have defined it.
9 PAR(e),SNIPS
10 F(ine),ALLEN – Fortunately I remembered the Irish bog from schooldays despite Geography being my most hated subject http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bog_of_allen
12 NO,D(ad)DY – Noddy was Enid Blyton’s most famous character. Her writing is deemed non-PC these days even though it brought so much pleasure and learning to generations of children.
13 R(END)E(-)RING
14 BOOBY-TRAPPED – (Baby torpedo + P)*
18 HA,P(PY-G,O)-LUCKY – This is a beast. HA! =”I’m surprised”, O GYP = “old pain” which is reversed inside PLUCKY = “brave”. The reversal indicator is “recurrence” here taking its anatomical meaning of “turning back”. I didn’t work out any of the reasoning until long after completion of the puzzle.
21 M,I,L,W(A,U.K.)EE
23 R(OOM)Y – MOO = “low” inside YR = “your” all reversed
25 S(TAG)HORN – My last one in. The material is deer antler used for making handles
26 C(R)EASE
27 P,LOT,IN,U.S. – I’m not familiar with this particular philosopher but thanks to Jodi Joni Mitchell I do know about US parking lots
 
Down
1 SU(PIN)E
2 PARA(graph),D, (pag)E – Another beast to work out especially as I convinced myself that the P came from “page” and ARADE would somehow be derived from “fourth chunk of text”
3 HUNK,Y,-DORY – The Y is supposed to sound like “why”, which it doesn’t always
4 RUPERT, BROOK,E – My first in after a very long wait. Noddy and Rupert Bear in the same puzzle! The second and different sort of “bear” = BROOK.
7 CALLIOPE – (Place oil)* This word meaning a type of organ that produces notes using steam whistles came up here recently, but I first met it about 40 years ago in the lyric to a song “Open the Window and See all the Clowns”. http://jackkt.livejournal.com/5607.html
15 ARK,W(R)IGHT – Richard Arkwright was the inventor of the spinning frame, not to be confused with the spinning jenny which was invented by James Hargreaves http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Arkwright
16 SHA,MANIC
17 S,PILLAGE
19 M(O.T.)OWN – The second “cut” in the same segment (see 25ac). I hate it when setters do this.
20 H(YEN)AS

43 comments on “Times – 24280 – They’ve had it in for us this week”

  1. Ha! = I’M surprised.
    Plucky = brave around O for old and GYP (pain)backwards.
    I think.
  2. Yes, sorry Jack. My apology was already in the ether when your response came. I got overexcited when reading your preamble, thinking I would get in first with the explanation. Showing-off really.
  3. About the last four minutes were spent on 19 and 27, the top half having been pretty straightforward as the top row ones both fell on first look.

    Knowing nothing of Plotinus, once the N from MOTOWN was in, I got suckered into philosopher = Plato. Sticking US=American on the back end, I then invented PLATANUS, with Platan = “of Plato”. Should really have seen “Plot in US”, and was possibly distracted by vague memories of platanus being a real world (the plane tree genus). The same kind of instincts helped me out on CALLIOPE though.

    Edited at 2009-07-17 07:54 am (UTC)

  4. I think ad is at in Latin. 27 m with a phone call taken during; for those who requested this, first in 4 – loved the bears – then 14, 18, 15, 25, then rh half, pause for breath and finished with 16, 24, 26. A tough but enjoyable week. yesterday away so did it late, no blog but quickish.
    1. At least that is how my brain got it but I am sure the experts’ reasoning is the correct one!
  5. Sorry Jack for the superfluous explanation. I really must read these blogs fully before commenting.
    Had INSTRUMENTAL as my COD for its elegance but HAPPY-GO-LUCKY as my RCOD (Rotten) for its inelegance.

    This thing has been trying to defeat me all week and finally managed it today with STAGHORN and MOTOWN not solved. Supposed PARADE without knowing why and needed Jack to explain FALLEN. Never heard of PLOTINUS or CALLIOPE as a steam organ.

    Very tough but enjoyable week at least for those of us who don’t have to blog. Well-done to all bloggers this week.

  6. Similar experience to yours jackkt. About an hour; mystified by PARADE and FALLEN and last in the STAGHORN/MOTOWN crossing, having finally decided there must have been a PLOTINUS and hence BOOGIE couldn’t be as correct and inexplicable as the aforementioned answers. Not entirely happy or go-lucky in the end, but that was mostly my own fault. I liked 15 for its novel clueing of island=wight rather than man, etc, etc.
  7. 35 mins; totally stuck in the SE corner. I was looking for a clue/light reversal in 1ac: ST = STONE, A = AREA…. etc. But then FF is “very loud”, not “very quiet”. COD must go to 23ac (ROOMY); although the anag at 14ac was pretty damned good too.

    Having failed O-Level geography, I was pleased to find that MILWAUKEE is a port. Currently I have a house guest from the US, and she didn’t know that maritime fact either. Out of a mutual interest, all she could say is that it’s where they make beer!

    26ac was very close to a perfect &lit. Let’s hope that’s how the English batsmen are for a while.

  8. Don’t thank me, thank jackkt. At the time I was quite happy to accept it wasn’t PARODY and that an ARADE was a printing term I didn’t know. It has been a long week.
  9. When all else fails, cheat. 36 min, but when I only had 4 in after 20 min (PARSNIPS, NODDY, ATLAS and CREASE) intellectual pride went out the window. A shaming end to an exercising week, not helped by a touch of self inflicted wine flu. Rather too many nonsense surfaces and contorted constructions for it to be a great puzzle, but certainly a great challenge. COD? I rather liked NODDY.
  10. Please explain….

    I can see a chunk of text = PARAGRAPH, I can see bottom of page = E, but where does D come into it, and how come GRAPH gets dropped?

    1. PARA is an accepted abbreviation of paragraph (in Collins at least) and D would be the one after paras A, B and C.
  11. For me this week’s puzzles have been at the right level, just beyond my ability.

    There were a few missing for me today 19,23, and 25.

    First in for me today where Noddy, and Atlas. Both clues I rather liked.

    Held up with not getting Sapphire (there should be a ‘Coppunty’ stone), and Rupert Brooke (again I there should be a poet by the name of ‘Winnie Browne’)

    Last in for me was Hyenas, I knew the answer just couldn’t work it out until I came here. Ditto for Parade.

    W

  12. Thanks, but I would never have thought of anything like that in a month of Sundays. Far too contrived for me!
  13. Around 45 minutes of what felt like hard labour. If yesterday’s puzzle wore its difficulty lightly, this one staggered under the weight. There was really nothing in this melange of mangled syntax and ‘crossword English’ that made me happy. Bah, humbug! And a pleasant and peaceful weekend to all.
  14. Strange how they often seem to come in pairs. Like yesterday’s this was average difficulty difficulty for me, but left with one unsolved (Motown). Less excuse for not getting the last one today than yesterday as in a previous life I was a bass guitarist and had to learn a lot of James Jamerson parts. bc
  15. About an hour for me. Found several harder than I should of done. One quibble – I don’t see how Atlas can be described as ‘holder of world’. Surely he supported the sky on his shoulders, not the world.
      1. Yes, I agree that he’s generally represented as carrying the world, but is that enough? According to Greek mythology, he didn’t. That aside, a nice neat clue though.
        1. This would seem to be quite a longstanding confusion, given that in the Temple of Zeus at Olympia there is a marble metope dated at c465bc allegedly showing Hercules supporting the world for him, while Atlas slopes off to pinch the golden apples of the Hesperides. The Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology (which has a picture of it) refers frequently to Atlas “supporting the world on his shoulders.” Wikipedia refers to him supporting the “celestial sphere,” which one assumes would contain the world within it?
          1. It occurs to me that the book called an atlas contains, i.e. holds, the world. But I had that image of the chap shouldering the globe as first thought.
  16. I’m glad some others found this hard. After two failures to finish on Wed and Thurs my heart sank as I went through the clues getting little at first glance (NODDY, RENDERING and BOOBY-TRAPPED being the only ones that came quickly). I got through in the end, but it took 55 minutes. Some things I didn’t know: that Allen is a bog; that Calliope is anything other than the Muse of epic poetry. PLOTINUS was familiar but I didn’t see him for ages, but he led me to the last entry, MOTOWN.
    Clue to ATLAS was COD for me.
  17. I have to agree with daveperry – how did that slip through the net? I don’t expect the Times to make slips like that! Atlas, of course, supported the heavens on his shoulders, not the Earth. If this were QI, the alarm bells would be ringing.
  18. 18.55 which could have been longer but 3,4,7,15d and 14,18a came reasonably quickly and gave a good framework for the others. CALLIOPE is only familiar to me from Springsteen’s “Blinded by the Light”. Entered PARADE in good faith like many of you, might have taken a month to(maybe) get the wordplay.MILWAUKEE took a long time , even as the checking letters appeared one by one.I even looked at UK as being part of the answer but couldn’t see it. I have to confess I have no idea where in US it is , or that it is a port (just that it is known for beer as per Rod Stewart song “What made Milwaukee famous (has made a loser out of me)”
    Last to go in was PLOTINUS (vaguely heard of) after eventually getting MOTOWN. I was also looking for a Plato type (PLATOSUS) solution but I had to dismiss as too improbable
  19. I found this really hard and probably took close to 2 hours, although not continuously. Another piece of trivia for you all is that Milwaukee is the home of Harley-Davidson motorcycles, and that is where they are all(?) made.
  20. JODI Mitchell? Please, no, Jackkt – Joni is my first love, musically speaking. I thought 4 down must be Rupert Brown (brown bear) so that put me off. I have actually been to Arkwright’s mill, but that was my second last in, Motown being the LOI. But I finished it, in 45 mins! I thought yesterday’s was harder.
  21. Wow, that was a toughie, at the end of rehearsal last night I was left with 21, but a niggling doubt that my poet RUPERT BROWNE may not exist (or may be the brother of the Times Crossword editor). So tossing that N out of contention and thinking about cities rather than ports caused MILWAUKEE to appear and then a stab at the BROOKE as a likely surname. Lucky lucky lucky for once.
  22. Like Sotira, I found this somewhat ungainly but was happy to finish in under the moins le quart.

    History GCSE came in handy for Arkwright and ‘Hunky Dory’ always goes in quick, being my fave Bowie album.

  23. Am relieved that Jackkt took a long time to figure out the logic of 18ac: I woke up this (west coast) morning with “happy-go-lucky” still churning in my head after doing the puzzle last night. Didn’t know the anatomical meaning of recurrence, and still think it a sneaky indicator. Is it often used in the Times? I can’t remember seeing it before, but that’s probably just me. At least I won’t be fooled by it next time.
    1. I don’t remember seeing this meaning before and I didn’t fully understand how the clue worked until I looked it up this morning. I had previously wondered if “gyp” might have accounted for the recurring pain in which case we would have been missing a reversal indicator.
  24. As a veteran of the Telegraph crossword I have over the last few months been trying to cross over to the Times! I have found this site invaluable in explaining some of the clues.

    Usually I can get a few clues most days but this week have been well and truly stumped!

  25. Made a rod for my back by jumping in with “gospel” for kind of music from good books, which didn’t help with either “staghorn” or “Plotinus”. I’d worked staghorn out, but couldn’t find a definition in either Collins or Chambers, or in Bradford. So have to confess I looked here, so can’t claim to have completed it. Been a hard week!
    1. Staghorn is in COED with a specific reference to the handles that are made from it.
  26. H’mmm…. Looked again in my Collins 2003 edition. At first, looked like it isn’t there. Nothing under stag. Then, there it is under “stag’s horn” a fair bit further on, probably why I missed it first time. Thanks for both comments after my initial post, as they’ve restored my faith in Collins. I don’t have COED.
    1. So it is! I missed it too. It doesn’t mention handle though, the specific reference in the clue, which is explained in COED.
  27. 11:43.  Finished in the SE corner, haunted by Plato.  Didn’t know LASCAR, ALLEN, or STAGHORN.  CALLIOPE and ARKWRIGHT were unfamiliar.

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