Around 15 minutes for me, which suggests there will be some fast times today: on the one hand this puzzle required some, to my mind, fairly obscure knowledge in the fields of ancient history, religion, law and that frequent bugbear of mine, botany. At the same time it had sufficient unambiguous wordplay and checked letters that I’d expect experienced hands to be reasonably confident that they’d deduced the correct solutions without needing corroboration.
Across | |
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1 | GOOD-TIME GIRL – (LIE+DOGGO+TRIM)*. |
8 | NEMESIA – A1 (=healthy) + S.E. MEN all reversed. I deduced it though I wouldn’t recognise one without help (I am hopeless in the garden). |
11 | INHERIT – IN+H(ER)IT = “be left”. |
12 | ARABIAN – AR(AB)IAN: the Arian heresy is one of those that I suspect would be deduced from wordplay rather than being common knowledge. |
13 | OX-EYE = “neat” being an old term for cattle, OX+E(ngineering)+YE. |
14 | BAS-RELIEF = (S)itter in BARE + LIEF, another somewhat uncommon Old English word meaning “willingly”. |
23 | OPOSSUM – (SOMESOUP)* without the E. |
24 | GROMMET = G(ran)T(urismo) encircling ROMME(l). |
26 | DISREPUTABLE = DI’S+REP+U(niversity)TABLE. |
Down | |
1 | GUMSHOE – Charlie being MUG as in “right Charlie”: (MUG)rev + O inside SHE. I think it’s been a while since we saw this old favourite, which must be much more popular with setters than readers these days. |
3 | TRACTABLE – (BATTLE)* containing the RAC, which along with the AA, comes up here on a regular basis. |
4 | MEDIA – straight def. Again, I imagine more people might have heard of the Laws of the Medes and Persians than could necessarily point out the land of Media on a map. |
7 | INVIGORATING = IN+VIGO+RATING. |
10 | RUN OF THE MILL – those who dislike clues which necessitate knowledge of a particular work of literature will doubtless not have been impressed by this reference to this book, though once more the wordplay makes it easy. |
15 | SOMNOLENT = (O)ld+M(a)N inside the SOLENT. |
18 | TRIMMER – straight def, once more I wasn’t familiar with this particular item but wordplay made it plain. Obviously I know the difference between a joist and a girder (Joist wrote Dubliners, and Girder wrote Faust. Sorry). |
19 | PROVERB – “saw” meaning a saying, ROVER inside PB=lead. |
22 | ESTOP – t(E)am = (POTS)rev. Take my word that the study of the concept of estoppel is not the most fascinating part of English Law. |
I enjoyed this, but I might have thought otherwise if I’d been utterly stumped by one of the tougher allusions!
I was very slow to see 7dn,’INVIGORATING’. I once spent two days stranded in Vigo and it was a lot less than invigorating (prompted lots of “I went to Vigo but it was shut” type thoughts, though it may have changed in the intervening years).
17dn,’RAVIOLI’ was really well disguised. Plenty of smart surfaces here and, as you say, ample confirmation for the literary and specialist words. Is ‘GT’ a luxury car? I don’t have the right dictionaries to hand. I always thought of it more as a ‘sporty’ car.
There is something called “Neat’s foot oil” that you can get for rubbing into leather. See wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neatsfoot_oil. I bet you didn’t know (I didn’t) that the fat in the legs of cattle has a lower melting point than in the body (so it doesn’t solidify in cold weather) so it soaks into leather well. Anyway, that’s the only context in which I’ve run across ‘neat’ in real life.
Media and Arabian were both guesses, but fairly confident, and I’ve never heard of a trimmer or nemesia. But I managed to get them all.
Paul
One of the more traditional style Times crosswords (with the obligatory plants), I thought.
Took me about 25 minutes.
‘neat’ = ‘ox’ is one of those things I’ve never come across outside crosswords, another being ‘tent’ for a wine.
Paul S.
Tom B.
I had distractions during what is normally my quality solving time on the way to work and I didn’t find it that easy, but I got there in the end with several queries which are now all cleared up except 9ac. Why “one coming into line”? No doubt I shall be requiring the boot when someone explains.
And talking of footwear, I had problems in the NW segment having chosen the wrong novel and written in GUMBOOT. I guessed it might be wrong as I couldn’t explain “love” but I had a mental block and didn’t think of an alternative until the checking letters were in place.
Not one of my better days.
As described here.
As you were 🙂
Got there in the end feeling, as others, that this was quite an old-skool offering. No bad points, technically sound (apart perhaps from the TRIMMER thing which Wiki suggests may be wrong, but what does Wiki know?), but no moments of genius either, so can’t suggest a COD.
Neat’s foot oil is the way for me to remember neat=ox/cattle, too – I had some back in about 1980 to care for a pair of Adidas Tokyos (running spikes – made of kangaroo leather, supposedly). I think you can meet tent=wine in Shakespeare or similar lit.
Didn’t know about ‘dressing the line’ but had seen {dress = adjust} enough times to make the connection. No possums in Britain – nor continental Europe, Asia or Africa I believe.
Mike O
Skiathos
I always thought there was a “rule” which specified no brand names etc? If that’s the case, are the RAC and AA arbitrarily excused like her madge is from the “no living person” rule?
Apart from 10, I found this enjoyable enough but, like others, can’t see anything worth nominating as COD.
AA and RAC are indeed “permitted brand names”. You could probably say the same about things like ‘footballers = FA’, or ‘gallery = TATE’. So if you want to remember a rule so that you never consider “Boots the Chemist” as an answer , it needs to include “except for cases that provide useful bits of wordplay” – the reason for the ER exception.
Michael’s comment below, ‘anyone who doesn’t know that the phrase “bubble reputation” comes from the “seven ages of man” surely deserves a kicking.’, is surely a contender for Pseud’s Corner. You’d better come and give me a kicking then!
In an Everyman crossword some months ago, we had:
Saying name of dog held by lead (7)
I would say the present clue-writer does it still better!
Rishi
Well, I can’t argue with that. If I’d ever owned anything that wasn’t one careless gearshift away from the breaker’s yard, I might not have needed to ask.
Glad your investment in a shiny new Chambers is paying off!
Neat = cattle is now such an old Times xwd favourite as to be obscure only to non-cruciverbalists. The most recent example of its actual use in this archaic sense quoted in my edition of the OED dates from the 1850s, though it seems to have survived a little longer appositively in the phrase “neat cattle”.
Whether or not literary references have a proper place in cryptics has been much discussed in recent blogs. I side with those who feel it’s perfectly OK.
Shakespeare aka Waggledagger seems to be a particularly bone of contention. But, surely, it is entirely reasonable for the setter of a Times cryptic to assume that knowledge of our greatest writer’s better-known passages is or should be part of the mental furniture of any moderately literate English speaker. Unreasonably obscure references are tiresome (and requiring solvers to know exactly how the first line of Troilus and Cressida begins perhaps comes into that category). But, on the other hand, anyone who doesn’t know that the phrase “bubble reputation” comes from the “seven ages of man” speech from As You Like It (another Bardic reference from the same xwd as the Troilus and Cressida one) surely deserves a kicking. References to the titles of novels also seem to me perfectly fair provided they are reasonably well-known (and Flaubert’s Parrot certainly qualifies on that count). As Peter B says, you don’t have to have read the novels to know the titles and to be able to solve the clues (though it helps). I confess, to my shame, that I’ve never read The Mill on the Floss, referred to in today’s 10 dn, but I know the title well enough, as must almost everyone else, I would have thought. Certain poems feature fairly regularly as reference sources – Coleridge’s Xanadu and the
Rime of the Ancient Mariner come to mind, as do various verse by Edward Lear and Lewis Carroll (e.g The Owl and the Pussy Cat and The Hunting of the Snark). Again, this seems to me the sort of stuff that everyone should know and, if it is not known, it can be learnt. Scope here, I feel, for one of Peter B’s elegant little monographs along the lines of Poems That All Times Crossword Addicts Need to Know?
Congratulations to Peter B, by the way, on his 4.21 mins. Well within semi-soft-boiled egg time (Yes, Peter, I know that the Provost of Eton story is apocryphal). I guess, from the comments above, that today’s xwd would have been a fastish one for most of us (according to our own lights – about 30 mins for me), but Peter B’s time was gobsmackingly fast.
Michael H
I wholly agree with 7dP. Where a setter resorts to this type of device they are in my opinion either showing off their knowledge or too lazy to think up a proper cryptic clue. Jimbo.
Mike O,
Skiathos
Anyway, back to thinking impure thoughts about ONJ.
There’s always stuff that some people don’t know. I’ll start worrying when it’s always stuff of the same kind. But I’ve failed on DIY/engineering, botany, early British history, astronomy and doubtless many other things as well as literature. How many people can honestly say today that they didn’t know the Tullivers but did know every single other snippet of general knowledge that was required or would have sped things up?
I’ll conduct an experiment tomorrow by counting up the number of snippets in each of the six slices of the 6 Trivial Pursuit (TM) “pie”. I dont’t promise to continue it, and Whether other bloggers want to add extra work by doing the same is of course up to them.
MH
BTW, I’m another who deserves a kicking – not because I’m Brian McFadden but because I wasn’t hitherto familiar with the seven ages of man/bubble thingummy (Anax, I think you should cut McFadden some slack for having to put up with that Katona woman for as long as he did).