The Online Crosswords Championship – Second Try

As many of you have discovered, the Times Crossword Championships did not come off this morning due to various problems.

The Championship has been rescheduled for tomorrow, Sunday, November 22 at 10:30 GMT.   Please use this thread, and not the prior one, for your discussions.   The prior thread has now been locked.

174 comments on “The Online Crosswords Championship – Second Try”

  1. Classic. The page opens, hope flies free of its gilded cage and then… “Someone seems to have pulled the plug on this page”.
    Beyond parody as they say.
  2. This is just about as bad as trying to get Glastonbury tickets…

    ah well – back to Portrait Artist of the Week, let’s see how I get on with that this week!

    1. If Magoo got in he’d be done by now so maybe he can let us know and we can go to bed 🙂

      Edited at 2020-11-22 10:42 am (UTC)

  3. Another wasted morning of expectation. Very foolish to have tried running the competition again before they could be confident the system was working.
  4. I’m no IT expert, but I would have thought a couple of hundred people all simultaneously clicking on the site is not conducive to fixing an obvious capacity issue. Perhaps we should all go away for a while, say a week?
    1. Admit it … you’re hoping we will all log off and then you’ll have a clear run at it 🙂
  5. I’m getting 503 then 404. This is no longer a fair competition since some people have got in and some not. Abandon ship. I just want to print off the puzzles at some point.
  6. Well, the first puzzle was surprisingly easy, pleased with that one. Let’s see how #2 goes…
      1. humour does not translate well through email. your claim to have gottem through to an actual puzzle encouraged many of us to waste even more minutes trying to connect,piling frustration upon frustration. Probably not your intention, but certainly not funny.
  7. I can get to the page where it says “Our IT team have now resolved the problem, and they are confident it will not fail again” so that’s something.
  8. Maybe it’s because people have been giving up but it seems more stable now….? Still no puzzles yet.
  9. I just wanted to congratulate this site. Several people are frustrated at the same time and it hasn’t crashed.
  10. It’s still not working today. The Whole ToL site has been flakey this morning. Mr Grumpy (surprisingly not enraged. More philosophical)
  11. Finally managed to get the first clue solved after all the delays with loading the puzzles: “Take in aspect of crossword competition (5)”
  12. Has anyone seen any of the puzzles? I did get the page heading once, thought I was in there.
  13. What is the point? Some people may have crosswords, others not. I cannot get on the site at all. The whole spirit of the idea is gone.
  14. What a let down for the second day morning in a row – feels even more annoying today as they appeared to know what the problem was and thought they had fixed it. What a bunch of amateurs!
  15. For the IT department to advise the competition could run, and then find that the servers could not handle the traffic (yesterday) is arguably – and only arguably – forgivable.
    For them to advise David yesterday that the changes to be made would allow the same amount of traffic to succeed 24 hours later, and be wrong about that, is not.
    Not to know whether they could handle the traffic (which is clearly the case) shows an utter disrespect for their customers.
    Will heads roll? And if not, why not?
    1. If this is indeed Magoo, you only need about 10 minutes to solve all 3 anyway… so loads of time left… teehee!
  16. The site is accessible. The puzzles aren’t. This reminds me of the sample sentence for the word “fairly” in my Japanese-English dictionary (published 1937): “Don’t torture me, but kill me fairly”.

    To repeat what others have said: if this is an ONLINE competition and the task of timing puzzles has really been solved, even by the Times, why not set a 24 hour window for doing the puzzles and let everyone log in whenever is convenient, with the requirement to submit all three puzzles within 90 minutes of starting the first one.

    1. In short, because that opens up the opportunity for the kind of funny business seen for ages on individual daily puzzle leaderboards. We had to trust people’s honesty to some degree, but that seemed too much.
      1. Fair enough, I see your point. I have never understood what pleasure the neutrinos can possibly get from their activity, but, like Trump voters, there are inexplicably many of them.
  17. Well I can’t mess the family around much more (again), so if we haven’t got a definite start time by 11 I think I’m off.
      1. I’ve promised the kids to take them to the garden centre and do Christmas stuff in exchange for being an absent father yesterday to try and do some kind of competition.

        And yet, here we are again…..

  18. Incidentally, I’m already a bit of joke among my family for doing silly things like cryptic crosswords. Even more of one yesterday for getting up at 5:30 to do them. Even more of one when it turned out I didn’t even get to do them. Even more of one when I decided to do it again today. I just can’t wait to see their reaction at breakfast in a few hours.
    1. I too am something of a laughing stock in the house for doing this.

      Although at least I’m in the UK so I don’t have the crack-of-dawn issues to contend with (apart from 3 children all demanding breakfast at 6.30am obviously)

      1. Yesterday I couldn’t go back to bed. When I was making breakfast for the family I was so tired my hands were shaking. Okay, I think I gotta try going back to sleep. Wish I hadn’t had a cup of coffee though.
        1. Hi Jeremy. Wouldn’t be so bad if it was light outside. David got up at 6 to ask how I was doing yesterday and got snapped at. Luckily I warned him there was likely to be a repeat this morning.
  19. In briefly now, clicked on puzzle 1, error 503. Call it off. If you’re going to try it again in the future, some sort of testing would help.
    1. Hi Tom. You are one of the lucky ones. You at least got on the site. I have a blank screen. Favouritism I guess!
      1. Hi Napasai, remember meeting you in the George a couple of years back. Happier times! System chucked me out promptly, going for a ride on the bike at 11.
  20. Appears someone got a print of puzzle 2 (cf. Crossword Club Forum thread). That’s even more problematic.
  21. In many ways we’ve all won the crossword competition this week. Where “winning” is “coming in equal last” 😛
  22. The online Crossword Championship situation has developed not necessarily to The Times advantage.
  23. It was the bitterest disappointment that we are going to have to cancel this year’s championship. I am sure you all also extremely disappointed and upset too. It seems that the database changes made yesterday were not effective. We desperately wanted to do something special for you this year in particular – and to bridge the gap while we were unable to put on the championship in the usual format. I’m afraid that despite our best efforts, we have failed to deliver this.

    All I can do is offer my sincerest apologies for disrupting both days of your weekends. I hope that by this time next year we will be in a position to run the championship as normal, when we can attempt to make it up to you all.

    David Parfitt
    Puzzles Editor

    1. How about doing the decent thing and making entry free next year as recompense for this year’s disappointment?
    2. I didn’t have to wake up as early as some, but I still feel grateful for what you’ve attempted to do here. Doing the Times crossword has been one of the daily joys of lockdown (I’ve gotten a lot better at it!). Sorry it couldn’t work out, and at least I’m not verlaine.
    3. Thanks David. Obviously this is not your fault in any way whatsoever. Can you let us know if the puzzles were released to anyone? If so, we can gradually go on and at least enjoy them. If not, then fully understand that you might be saving them.
    4. Thank you for trying to set this up, it was a great idea, derailed by its popular appeal. Please do not give up on the idea of creating an online competition. There are some good suggestions in the comments. Keep trying and come back with something greater.
      1. Thank you so much for your understanding on this. We would love to have pulled this off for you. Absolutely gutted.

        David Parfitt

    5. I never contemplated participating, so have no complaints (access to the regular puzzles was unproblematic); but your phrase “despite our best efforts” I find worrisome.
    6. I appreciate the idea and effort DP, sorry it didn’t work. I don’t feel at all poorly done by that you couldn’t make it work, I do feel well done by that you tried.
      The good news is that the rest of The Times now knows that the crossword is important to a lot more people than they might have thought it was important to.
  24. I went for Puzzle 3 first. Clicked on ‘Play’ and got a ‘404 page not found’ message. Returned to Home Page and Puzzle 3 now has ‘Resume’ against it (meaning a clock is ticking?) – I still get the same error message on clicking that.

    I said yesterday that I thought 24 hours notice of a further attempt was unfair on those who can’t easily re-schedule plans at such short notice. Evidently more time is also needed to get some more rubber bands in to fix the system.

    Very disappointed of Quorn.

  25. Index finger suffering from repetitive stress of pressing the refresh button. Brain suffering from repetitive stress of trying to do this competition day by day… who do I sue?
  26. The comments in the forum suggest some people have had access to the crosswords, so the playing field is decidely no longer level.

    IN which case, I’m out.

  27. Just posted my message to find the whole shebang has been cancelled. What a desperately disappointing and defeatist decision! Surely it’s not beyond the wit of the techies to get it sorted.

    How about a refund?

    Even more disappointed of Quorn.

  28. How about releasing all three puzzles together, at some point in time, so that people can do all three together, whenever they like, and solvers report their own times? High trust situation.
    1. You ought to know by now that we are never trusted. Remember all the arguments about not posting times immediately for competition puzzles?
    2. An excellent idea.
      Leave open for a couple of days, and competitors could choose their own time, freed from the GMT constraints.
      Have been happily doing (not) the Parkrun throughout COVID time. Run your 5K during the week, choosing your own course, and enter the time online. Who would want to cheat? It’s only a bit of fun, after all. This would work for me, until normal life returns.
      1. Who would want to cheat? I don’t look at the individual puzzle leaderboards as much as I used to, but when I did there were plenty of people quite clearly posting fake times for daily puzzles. I can’t prove that any of them would spoil a contest, but it seems pretty likely.
  29. …anticipated this and did the Sunday early, after the site crashed on me yesterday during the Jumbo. Glad I did.
  30. Well it’s 3 am again and I have a quiz at 9am tomorrow for some absurd reason. Goodnight all! This weekend was kind of fun in a way… we’ll look back on it one day and laugh.
    1. Good attitude – I agree – there are worse things in life – a bit of a disappointment – but I still LOVE the Times Crossword
    1. No you are not. That’s the subscription to the newspaper and access to the daily puzzles, both of which you have. Normally there is a fee for entry to the competition but this year’s on-line experiment would have been a free bonus.

      Edited at 2020-11-22 11:59 am (UTC)

      1. Not quite true …some puzzles are only accessible (and able to enter) via the crossword club site
        1. And the crossword site is accessible. It was only down for a brief period when everyone was trying to open the competition puzzles and before the the organisers pulled the plug. But perhaps you were urgently trying to access the archive at just that moment?
  31. A real shame that it’s cancelled, as well as a colossal failure of imagination on the IT department’s part to anticipate and then, even worse, fix the error. What’s sadder is that this may kill the idea of an online championship altogether, which would have been a fine idea to continue alongside the more regular championship.

    Apologies from the Times Crossword heads are of course accepted, but to fail twice in a row is seriously unimpressive.

    – James

  32. I’m grateful for the effort made by all to try to get this to work, and I’ll take perverse pleasure in claiming the honour of attempting to compete in the inaugural, and possibly only, virtual Times Crossword Championship. I hope, in years to come, that my descendants will be able to say with pride that their family still fondly remembers that November weekend back in 2020 when their great, great grandad, cocooned in the splendid isolation of his private study, amidst the general confusion of the global pandemic, doggedly fought the odds, competing with the might of the Times Information Technology department and all that it could throw at him. Fuelled only by a large cappuccino and packet of custard creams, he persisted for two days (for at least an hour each day, give or take a toilet break), clicking on his Refresh and Back Buttons in vain whilst shouting in desperation at the computer screen: ‘Have you tried switching the bloody servers off and on again?!”
  33. “Huge apologies to everyone affected by the technical failure of the Times Online Crossword Championship this morning. Our IT team have now resolved the problem, and they are confident it will not fail again. We have rescheduled for 10.30am on Sunday, November 22”.

    This is the only indication on the Crossword site that something was amiss. There’s no reference to the competition being cancelled whatsoever.

    I’m surprised that more people haven’t expressed their disappointment and anger. I appreciate Derek’s heartfelt apology and I’m sure he is profoundly embarrassed and disappointed too, but I’d really like a full explanation as to what the problem was, why only a 24 hour postponement was deemed appropriate and what the rationale for abandoning the much heralded and anticipated event was. Not too much to expect is it?

    1. Thanks for your message, and many apologies once again for the failure. The cancellation was announced both here on the Times for The Times blog and in the General Forum of the Crossword Club, where regular updates were posted during the event. I also changed the title of the puzzles’ panels to “With deep regret, event cancelled” for several hours after the event before removing them. I have now updated the relevant article in Crossword Articles, which I apologise for missing previously.

      Following the crash on the Saturday, our IT team made changes to the underlying database, and as stated above, they were confident these changes would be more than sufficient to support the increased level of traffic. When these changes were made, the site immediately began functioning again, which bolstered the level of confidence. The decision to postpone until the next day was based on this confidence, along with my feeling that having got everyone keyed up for the event that weekend, it would be better to reschedule the event for as soon as possible, rather than drawing it out to the following weekend.

      Clearly, the database changes were not sufficient. In the aftermath of the second crash, the IT team were still of the opinion that the changes should have supported that level of traffic, and they felt that something deeper, perhaps in the coding of the site itself, was the root cause. They will be investigating further.

      With regard to abandoning the event, this really was simply a case of not wanting to take any further chances with the software and compounding the disappointment should further problems occur. Having tried for a second time on the Sunday with the same outcome, I thought it best to cancel and then everyone would know where they stood and could get on with other plans. One thing that is certainly the case is that there was a significant level of interest in the online event, and we’ll certainly look into a more robust method of holding an online event in the future.

      Once it had become clear that Covid was going to make the traditional format impossible this year, we were very keen to keep some form of championship going in an online format, even if it was “just for fun”, rather than simply giving up and missing the event entirely. I am desperately sorry that we failed to deliver this for you and all the participants, and for the disruption to your weekends.

      David Parfitt
      Puzzles Editor

  34. Dear Derek,

    Many thanks for your prompt and detailed response to my query. Clearly you have been very frustrated by the whole affair as well. I see that you have updated the Crossword page to confirm the event’s cancellation.

    Without wishing to sound like too much of an old fogey I’d have thought, in the modern technological age, it shouldn’t really have been that difficult to create a system that could easily cope with the demands of its cruciverbalist users. I for one would have been happy to wait another week for a working format. But never mind, a first world problem in the grand scheme of life, especially at present.

    Kind regards,

    Kevin Ward
    Quorn, Leicestershire

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