Quick Cryptic Number 3 – Grumpy Setter, Grumpy Blogger!

Well, that was fun! Having carefully planned the day around ensuring adequate time to complete the blog before breakfast time for the UK contingent (i.e. by late afternoon here in Sydney), I was thwarted as the puzzle did not appear online. Eventually, the redoubtable jackkt rode to the rescue by posting an image of the elusive offering on his website: sir, I am utterly indebted to you. Thank you.

OK, so here goes – first blog on this august forum, so please forgive any faux pas. Enjoyed this puzzle: good mix (I thought) of a few “gimmes” to get you rolling, and a few that (at least for those of us still wearing our L plates) were quite tricky. Glad to see the new offering does not (so far) seem to require the same levels of arcane GK as the traditional cryptic – which for my money makes it more of a fair tussle. (Of course, the usual caveat applies: what is arcane to one may be blindingly obvious to another – and vice versa. I was particularly lucky today as I am not at all a plant man – but I happened to have 7 down tucked away somewhere in my store of trivia).

Thank you to the setter (I live in hope of one who styles himself “Red”: probably an old gag amongst the crossword fraternity, but it only just occurred to me… bear with me, it’s been a long day).

Oh, and if anyone is interested, took me about an hour including time out to feed cat and also welcome home wife.

Across
1 CAMPFIRE -Cryptic definition, conjuring up images of the bewoggled lads belting out “In the quartermaster’s store” (or maybe that is dating me somewhat) as the fire blazes… Somewhat unsatisfactory clue I felt as there was no alternative angle other than the obvious.
5 BIFF -Hit is the definition bit of the clue. The answer is also derived from the first letters (“fronting”) band include fab four
9 RINSE -Hair treatment is the definition bit. It is also revealed in some (“provided by some”) of the letters in barber in Seville.
10 BROTHER -Sibling is the definition bit. The wordplay also giving the answer is BOTHER (“worry”) about R (Rivalry’s beginning – i.e. first letter)
11 AIM -Mission is the definition bit. The wordplay is the “even” letters of “Racism” (i.e. a, I and m) with the odd letters (i.e. r, c and s) being “ignored”.
12 CONSTABLE -Artist is the definition bit (hay wain bloke rather than the local bobby who knocks up a quick sketch of the suspect). Wordplay also giving the answer is “CON” (scam) with “STABLE” (not likely to shake). Nice.
13 SERAPH -“Angel” is the definition bit, arrived at from an anagram of HARP with edges of “simple” (s and e): “extremely” often points to the first and last letters of the following word.
15 BOLT-ON -“Additional” gives the definition (i.e. a bolt on being something added on) with the reinforcement of the answer from Notlob (as anyone from the Python era still thinks of the fair town of Bolton which is up north)
17 MINELAYER -Naval vessel is the definition bit, and the answer is also derived from an anagram of “enemy lair” (the inclusion in the clue of “blowing up” is one of many potential signals that there is an anagram lurking in here…) Must admit I was not aware of this particular vessel. However, given familiarity with the Minesweeper I figured (eventually!) that there was a strong logical possibility that a minelayer might be it’s natural foe (or its raison d’etre depending on how you look at it). Lesson to be learned: if it feels right and is reinforced by some kind of strong corroborative evidence (in this case an anagram) then slap it in. Probably not advice from the purist school, but works for me!
19 CUT -Double definition type of clue. Ignore socially, and get the secateurs out.
20 SWANSEA -Bit underwhelmed by this one. “Port” is the definition bit. The word play is “SWANS” (gliders) with EA (being an abbreviation of Each). I’m sure Swans glide, but are they noted for it? To the same extent that (e.g.) bats do? Probably just being picky. But I didn’t like it.
21 EXPEL -Nice clue with some tight wordplay. “Kick out” is the definition bit. The wordplay that also gives the answer is “P” (being start – ie. first letter of – “Paddle”) “in” the river Exe (delightful river in Devon) with L being added on the end (being standard abbreviation for Lake).
22 RAKE -Double definition. “Rake” (as in hunt around for) and “he’s a bit of a rake” (sound advice to young ladies administered in the 1950’s, so I’m told).
23 UNAFRAID -“Fearless” gives us our definition. The word play that also provides the answer is UNA (“girl”) with F (leader – i.e. first letter of – “Foreign”) and RAID (incursion).

Down
1 CARPALS -“Bones” is the definition. The word play is CARP (‘fish”) with ALS (being “also” – as in “too” – shortened).
2 MINIM -“Note” gives our definition (“minim” being a term of musical notation I vaguely remember from early days playing the recorder). It is constructed from MINI (car) on M (being the standard abbreviation of a motorway).
3 FRENCH POLISH -This one also went in somewhat on a wing and a prayer, but it just had to be right (given the word play and the checkers) – and lo, subsequent validation justified my rashness. “Shine” gives us our definition. The Curie’s were of Polish origin, but made their home in France. So, they were French Polish, so to speak…
4 ROBIN -Neat clue. “Bird” is the definition. The wordplay is PROBING (“investigating”) without the P and the G (being its “wings” – i.e. edges).
6 INHABIT -“People” gives the definition: in this sense it’s the verb “to people” (i.e. to populate by putting people in there) I believe (grammarians please correct me). And a habit is some kind of riding clobber worn by ladies, I seem to recall. So, if you are In Habit, you are, presumably, hot to trot.
7 FURZE -“Sounds like” kind of clue (“reportedly” being the indicator of this). “Furze” is a kind of gorse like plant, and sounds like “Firs” (trees).
8 DO IT YOURSELF -Double cryptic definition. Further comment probably superfluous.
14 RANSACK -“Loot” gives us the definition (i.e. to ransack, to loot). The answer is also derived from the wordplay of RA (= Royal Artillery = gunmen) N (abbreviation for note) and SACK (get rid of as in “you’re sacked, son…”)
16 NETTLED -Tricky one, I thought. “Cross” is the definition (not sure how widespread this usage is outside the UK). The wordplay is NETT (“clear” – as in nett of tax / clear of tax) with LED (being a type of light that tech people refer to).
17 MISER -Scrooge, everyone’s favourite “miser”, with the “endless woe” being MISERY without the end Y.
18 YEARN -Initially went down the wrong track on this one, as I was relishing the fact that in a recent Times cryptic I’d picked up that Quito was the capital of Ecuador. This was information too good to waste, so I thought. Turned out to be a complete red herring, as the “capital” here was the crossword convention of “first letter” (i.e. capital of Ecuador gave us E). The E is then embedded in YARN (“story”) with the whole giving us YEARN meaning to long for.
19 -Probably my favourite today. Neat. “Drink” is the definition bit, with the wordplay coming from C (“caught” – cricketing abbreviations are big around here so bone up on your O, B, LBW, R etc.) with UP and PA (“old man”).

65 comments on “Quick Cryptic Number 3 – Grumpy Setter, Grumpy Blogger!”

    1. Thanks jackkt. Sent you a direct reply but it has not shown up here – so just checking you did in fact receive it. Not yet sufficiently familiar with this site to know if all replies are posted, or only those sent via this page (as opposed to direct responses from within one’s email system).

      Anyway, still no sign and unfortunately I cannot access the e-newspaper (my research indicates that requires a subscription of a type not available to those of us overseas – but I may have got lost in the jungle of different package offerings described…)

      Very frustrating!

  1. Don’t panic, Nick! It’s very frustrating on your first time, but remember that it’s yet 6am in the UK and Jack and many others may still not have surfaced! I just checked the Times online and the Quickie is still ‘Coming’.

    Take a deep breath, check in to that site from time to time and then take your time solving and blogging, when it finally appears.

    We record solving times here, not blogging times!!

    1. Thanks Ulaca – wise counsel. Feeling a bit better now I’ve let rip at the Times customer complaints department (or “Feedback” as they quaintly refer to it).
      1. I have posted an image of the puzzle on my own journal. You should be able to see it if you click on my username.

        Edited at 2014-03-12 06:56 am (UTC)

        1. Thanks very much jackkt – greatly appreciated! I’ll endeavour to get cracking now. Let’s hope it’s not too sticky…
  2. Conclusion 1: solving on paper is quicker than solving on tablet/iPad/online. Today, infinitely quicker.
  3. This took me 10 minutes, which suggests it’s harder than some normal dailies! Presumably I just wasn’t on the wavelength.
    I haven’t been able to do the main puzzle because my iPad app still has yesterday’s and the Crossword Club doesn’t work with the obscure browser our IT department choose to use. When I complained to them about this at the Times they explained that they don’t support Microsoft Explorer and I should install something else.
    1. I found it much harder than the previous two and resorted to aids once my self-imposed time limit of one hour passed. One or two really clever clues I thought. There is still one solution that I cannot parse and so eagerly await Nick’s blog.

      Today’s puzzle only just came up on the on-line newspaper. I’m still frustrated by the lack of a print button and no way to see previous solutions.

  4. The puzzle was available at 0930 UK. I took 21 minutes so also found this chunky but I’m still not used to screen filling rather than wrestling with a piece of paper. I didn’t help myself by leaping at Curtail for 1dn. Hadn’t linked Swans with Gliders before but COD to 3dn.
  5. Nick got stuck with a hard one. Not sure how long I took because I had to break off before finishing. About 10 minutes for all but 15a and when I came back it took a run through the alphabet before I saw it which took at least another 5. I don’t think I’ve heard the term the US side of the pond.

    On edit: Excellent blog Nick!

    Edited at 2014-03-12 10:51 am (UTC)

  6. My first quickie, and I quite enjoyed it.. about 6 minutes. No problem with northern towns, but I did enjoy 3dn

    Thanks ever so to Jack for posting a pic of it.. if I give you my crossword club subscription, will you do that every day? Only joking.. 🙂

    Edited at 2014-03-12 10:23 am (UTC)

    1. Not every day of course, but I shall do the same tomorrow and Friday if the puzzle fails to appear on the interactive page. Hopefully by then the Times will have restored the functionality that worked from midnight on the first two days. I believe the e-newspaper rolls over to the new one at around 5 or 6 AM.
      1. Have you now removed the picture of the puzzle Jack as I can’t see it? I’m in the same boat as Jerry – I can still acess the crossword club but not the online paper.
    2. Jerry, According to The Times, your cat set today’s Quickie! That is a very clever cat!
      1. Yes Martin, good spot… he *was* a very clever cat.. (sigh).. the only cat I’ve ever had who really understood mirrors. He would look at himself and have a quick wash over to make sure he was looking cool. And drinking coffee from a mug, opening doors, don’t get me started.. crossword setting might well be within his compass, given a bit of practice. The two more recent additions, Manon & Leon, are both lovely cats, good mousers, affectionate, but not exactly the intellectual type..
        1. Oh, I’m sorry, Jerry. We have cats and dogs so I can sympathise. Have you seen the YouTube videos that feature Henri, the Existential Cat? They are hilarious.
          1. That’s OK Martin, he was nearly 19 so had a good innings.
            I have seen Simon’s Cat, but not Henri.. will look out for him, thanks for the tip
  7. As indicated above, I was able to do this when my paper version arrived well ahead of the electronic. Now I know why I persist in the arcane practice of having the newsprint delivered.
    7 minutes for this, with the Curies being by far the best of the clues (it helps if you know Mrs Curie was born Marie Skłodowska in Warsaw. Pierre Curie was born in Paris, so the clue works really well.
    Top notch, informative and readable blogging, Nick, with or without the trying circumstances.
  8. Great blog Nick, thanks.


    ‘if it feels right and is reinforced by some kind of strong corroborative evidence (in this case an anagram) then slap it in’

    This is more or less my guiding principle when solving!

    I forgot to mention earlier that I sat down with my daughter to go through some of the clues in the second of these yesterday evening. They’re much too difficult for a ten-year-old to do alone of course but they are simple enough for her to get some of the answers with help – she got DOZE almost on her own for instance – and more importantly to understand and enjoy the cleverness of the wordplay. It was sheer bliss, and for that half-hour alone I am grateful for this new format.

    Edited at 2014-03-12 11:07 am (UTC)

    1. Thanks very much! Conjures up delightful domestic image of you passing on the lore to your daughter.
    2. What a great thought, that I could use this as training for my sons. My 9 year old was well pleased when he got ‘Packet of sweet herb (4)’ (MINT – triple def) in the main crossword a while back and remains curious.
      1. I’m very impressed by your 9 year old!
        We had another little session this evening. There’s an awful lot you have to explain but she really seems to enjoy it. I hope it’s something we’ll keep doing together. I’m trying not to think of myself as a kind of Mike Agassi, targeting the eventual overthrow of Magoo in 2030… 😉
  9. 13 minutes including all parsing. The main delays were FRENCH POLISH and SWANSEA. Great first blog, Nick.

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    1. Thanks again. At risk of repeating myself, your intervention with the image you had obtained saved my bacon.
  10. Nice blog, Nick, and I’m sure you were grateful that of all the things you might have dreaded about your first one (Internet connection goes down, can’t parse a clue, etc), you ended up with the real stinker of not even being able to get hold of the puzzle. Fortunately there seems to be a 24/7 global readership here so someone will generally be available to help.
    1. Spot on! You encapsulate the angst I was going through beautifully. It was very much a “why me?” moment. Hats off to jackkt (and the general camaraderie of this delightful group).
  11. Well done Nick, I’m really glad I didn’t get that yesterday!

    A very enjoyable read. I like the way you put the definition part at the front of your explanations. When solving, I tend to try and identify that part of the clue first. Is that what most do?

    I didn’t get CARPALS. I had guessed CARCASS but that didn’t fit the wordplay. Got the homophone for FURZE but had never heard of the plant name before and didn’t know the spelling.

    I got stuck for ages in the SE corner. Thanks for explaining NETTLED. I just couldn’t parse that and of course it is so obvious when explained.

    Like many others, my favourite was FRENCH POLISH. Very clever I thought but I had to resort to google to verify my guess about the husband being Pierre.

    1. There’s no rule about order of blogging etc, so find a style that suits you and use that.

      If you read the main cryptic blog regularly you may notice that the definition part of the clue is omitted more often than not. This is probably historical as in the early days the participants were mostly very experienced solvers who took that part of the clue for granted, and that tradition has continued as, apart from anything else, it saves time.

      When I set out to blog the first Quickie on Monday I took the view that the potential audience for this blog may be on the whole less experienced, and the info put out by the Times suggested that they see the puzzle as part of a learning curve, a stepping stone to the main cryptic puzzle, so I decided to include every definition along with explanations of the wordplay. We can continue with this or not as suits individual bloggers and/or their mood on the day.

      Edited at 2014-03-12 12:22 pm (UTC)

      1. Thanks Jack. Actually my question was more directed at the mental processes followed by experienced solvers. Do people tend to try and identify the definition part, work out a word that means the same and then justify it with the wordplay, the other way around or a bit of both?

        1. I’ve been giving a bit of thought lately to how I actually solve clues, following someone asking me at an S&B how I manage to solve cryptics so quickly. I think that after, in my case, getting on for 45 years of cryptic solving, you develop some sort of sixth sense/automatic pilot thing about definitions versus wordplay – I used to take down shorthand dictation without actually consciously listening to what the dictator was saying, there was a part of my brain somewhere at the back taking it all in, and I think that part now works to sort out the cryptic wordplay while the front part gets on with clue reading and writing in.
          1. Sue – sorry I just posted only to find yours had arrived in the mean time. Maybe sixth sense and ‘feels right’ are about the same?
        2. If there is a ‘process’ then I’m sure it’s mental – as in ‘that’s mental, Ron!’. Not having really thought about it before I’m pretty sure that the majority of clues are solved by spotting the definition at either end of the clue and then justifying with the remainder. The fast times achieved by the sub 10 minute brigade (to which I can only aspire) could surely not be achieved otherwise and I question whether much time is spent in justifying as it most likely ‘just feels right’. This points to speed of recognition, thesaurus and general knowledge. These type of clues are, of course, only one of 8/9 types. For full info on clue types and how to go about all this there are links to ‘how to solve cryptics’ on the blog home page.
          For harder crosswords I find I’m not able to get the definition straight away and then the clunky process of sorting out word play/clue types starts. I find the most frustrating clues are cryptic definitions where the whole clue is the definition and you can spend ages trying to work out what’s not there!
        3. It’s a bit of both, but if you don’t spot the definition immediately there are often bits of the wordplay that ring immediate bells:
          > placement instructions: in, on, by
          > instructions to do something to a word: back, first to last, curtailed, short…
          > …or take a particular bit from it: at the end, last bit of, ending in, top of, middle of
          > words with common abbreviations: second, united, runs, wide, account, tons, height, court, area, gold, work
          > anagram indicators: silly, terribly, loose
          > homophone indicators: for the listener, on the radio
          > words that just appear very regularly: a container is a can, a stole is a boa, a fish is an ide, an informer is a rat (and to inform is to sing), drama is Noh (or no)
          I think the main benefit of practice and experience is that you gradually acquire the ability to recognise these things immediately, even when they’re quite well disguised. This helps to work out how the clue is constructed, i.e. which bit is the definition, which is wordplay.
        4. I’ve been doing cryptics about 15 years and have thought about this now and then, although I’m not nearly as fast as Sue. It’s a sort of semi-disciplined free association. It doesn’t always work – sometimes you just have to hack it out of the coalface. Sometimes it’s almost spooky the way a clue seems to solve itself before you’re even conscious of having read it. And there is the whole wavelengthy thing with the setter that occurs occasionally. I like to print and solve on paper because I find there is a connection between forming the letters by hand and arriving at the answer, particularly with anagrams. I solve very early in the morning before I’ve fully woken up. I used to check every unfamiliar reference with the dictionary or whatever but I’ve learned to trust my instincts – which are a lot more reliable than my typing. In the end it is just practice, memory and enjoyment.
    2. Thanks Ian, very kind.

      I struck lucky on several fronts here. CARPALS was something I knew because of several breakages of said bones when playing cricket and rugby. FURZE was embedded somewhere in the back of the mind.

      NETTLED was also my LOI. Tricky clue, I thought.

  12. About 20 min (a bit longer than main puzzle)
    1dn LOI by a long way, as I couldn’t think of anything better than CARCASS, and eventually had to resort to an aid to see if anything else fitted checkers

    Nick, I did like your blog – a fresh voice is always welcome here.

    1. Thanks very much.

      I too toyed with the CARCASS solution, but then recalled the sporting injuries I’d had around the CARPALS. Pure luck.

  13. Yes, well done, Nick! It must be very daunting to blog.As ianb21 said, I liked the way you put the definition at the beginning of your explanation. I’m not brave enough for blogging…yet. I was in the 20s apart from 15ac and 16d. Final time:33mins. 3d was my favourite. I only learnt very recently that Marie was Polish by birth. Bit like watching Arjen Robben fall over in the penalty area last night (twice). As with Polish, Diva works well with both pronunciations.
    1. Thanks for that. If you are doing 33 minutes then I reckon you are well ahead of me in terms of expertise! The only really daunting bit was the puzzle not appearing (which is somewhat discombobulating).

      linxit was very kind in sending me the html templates etc. for the blog, which worked beautifully. Lot of support here if you do fancy having a go.

  14. Nice work, Nick — to the manner born. Will you always be “Nick the Novice” or do you have plans for an evolving handle? (of course, for all I know, the “Novice” bit may have nothing to do with crosswords … )

    I’m not sure these Concise Cryptics are a whole lot easier, just smaller.

    Edited at 2014-03-12 12:25 pm (UTC)

    1. Thanks very much sotira. An “evolving handle” – now there’s a concept!

      Thinking about it, my evolutionary options would appear to be Nun or Sister – both of which seem a tad questionable given my personal circumstances…

  15. OK – three of these smaller cryptics in… I think the first one would have been a lot easier if I had the enumeration, the second one was pretty simple, this one was a little more tricky, took just under 10 minutes.

    Are puzzles 1 and 2 still obtainable, or is this going to be like the Independent where if you don’t do them on the day (or on the two weeks the files stay up on the site), they’re gone forever?

    1. I don’t think they’ve made up their minds yet. The editor has been contributing to this thread on the crossword club forum. The new software is work in progress and it seems like there may be an opportunity to lobby for things you want by contributing there.

      You might also try via twitter to @timescrosswords if you are that way inclined.

    2. Nice blog- clearly aussies make very good bloggers (must be good at something non-sporting :-)) and the time difference helps. Enjoyed the puzzle- perhaps on the difficult side- but you’d expect that from a setter called grumpy.
    3. I think you can still access them by fudging the URL for the current day’s puzzle – change the date to the appropriate one and reduce the final figure in the link by an appropriate number of days (e.g. today’s is 20140312/102, so to get yesterday’s use 20140311/101, or for Monday’s use 20140310/100.)

      You can access old Independent puzzles via a process that is described on Tony’s blog (linked to under Other Crossword Sites on the right of this page), in the entry for 1st July 2013. I’ve been able to access puzzles from months ago using that technique.

      1. Bonus: future puzzles are accessible via fudging the URL too. Possibly not the best IT design …
        1. Haha, I can start working on my next one already!!

          Nah, that would spoil it.

          On edit: They seem to go out to #11 on 21/2.

          Edited at 2014-03-12 03:11 pm (UTC)

  16. Look here Nick, are you sure you are a novice at this?!! Excellent blog, really well done, hugely entertaining and informative. Looking forward to more from you. Good puzzle too.

    Nairobi Wallah.

  17. As always, I agree with Nairobi Wallah. An excellent first time blog, says someone who has not done one in his life.
  18. I’m quite enjoying this… new crossword, new bloggers, new style, all very energising.
    Well done on a difficult day, Nick_the

    I had firmly made up my mind to depart these shores, blogging included, when my crossword club membership expires (in June?) and try pastures new with the Guardian, FT and Independent, all of which are free. However The Times’ cunning move of supplying a new cryptic, which can only be accessed via the main website and not the crossword club, (accident? I think not) has got me thinking again. All to play for still

  19. 6 mins, all of which I enjoyed. Because of other commitments today there was a gap of several hours between my doing the main puzzle and then doing this one, and I have no idea if the time delay helped or not. 3dn was indeed an excellent clue, and BOLT-ON was my LOI.

    I’ll add my congratulations to Nick for an excellent first blog, but that isn’t to say that the previous two weren’t good.

  20. This was the first new cryptic I was able to access–after a pleasant and very rapid exchange with the club person, one Natasha Farthing, who informed me that everything was fine at their end and that I should clear cache and cookies. I have no idea what that means, but somehow it didn’t matter. I found the format disconcerting: no clock, icons without explanation, and that really irritating square-jumping, which took a couple minutes off my time, whatever my time was.
    Anyway, let me add my congratulations to Nick the ex-Novice; splendid job.
  21. Didn’t time this one. Just wanted to join the general acclamation of Nick’s first blog.

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