Quick Cryptic 937 by Flamande

I worked my way through this one relatively easily until I was just left with 23ac, which took me an absolute age to see (I spent longer on this one clue than the rest of the puzzle combined). It’s not that tricky a clue – I just must have a blindspot for that particular lady’s name. Very strange.

Anyway, an enjoyable offering with plenty of different clue types, a bit of GK required (a PM from the 1930s and a 1970 movie), a neat little trick at 20ac of the type often seen in the 15×15 but less frequently found in the QC, and a very nice splash of wit at 14dn.

Thanks to Flamande – look forward to seeing how you all got on.

Definitions underlined: DD = double definition: anagrams indicated by (–): omitted letters indicated by {-}

Across
1 Frontier having British command (6)
BORDER – B (British) + ORDER (command)
4 Pencil, perhaps, and where it might be kept? (6)
DRAWER – DD
8 Encourage to listen at news time? (7)
HEARTEN – HEAR (to listen) + TEN (news time – as in the “News at Ten” flagship current affairs programmes on both ITV and BBC). Not sure whether broadcasters in other nations share the British penchant for 22.00 news shows: if not, this clue might be a bit baffling for our friends overseas…
10 Loud songs in places of entertainment (5)
FAIRS – F (loud – musical terminology) + AIRS (songs)
11 Crime taking place in parsonage (5)
ARSON – Hidden in (taking place in) pARSONage
12 More important kitchen item, you could say (7)
GREATER – Sounds like (you could say) GRATER (kitchen item – or, in my case, “device for painfully removing skin from knuckles”)
13 Willing to change a flat around, with addition of piece of
furniture (9)
ADAPTABLE – A + PAD reversed (flat around) + TABLE (with addition of piece of furniture)
17 Sensible recruit takes refuge in pub (7)
LOGICAL – GI (recruit) inside (takes refuge in) LOCAL (pub)
19 Instrument, old, at rear of brother’s room (5)
CELLO – O (old) is ‘at the rear of’ CELL (brother’s – i.e. monk’s – room)
20 Locatin’ protest (3-2)
SIT-IN – SITIN{G} (locating with the G dropped), giving us the preferred form of protest by students in the ’60s and ’70s
21 Conservative PM finally secured victory after setback for
Labour (7)
BALDWIN – D (finally secureD) + WIN (victory) ‘after’ LAB reversed (setback for Labour). Stanley of that ilk, who frequently crops up in pub quiz nights as the only PM to have served under three different monarchs.
22 Fish — variety of trout — nibbling bait at first (6)
TURBOT – *(TROUT) – with “variety of” signalling the anagram – and B also in the mix (nibbling Bait at first)
23 Woman sitting on bike or horse, mostly (6)
ASTRID – ASTRID{e} (mostly – i.e. without the last letter – sitting on bike or horse). For reasons I cannot now fathom, this took me an age to spot.
Down
1 One way to punish live leader? (6)
BEHEAD – BE (live) + HEAD (leader)
2 Film disrupted Hungary’s trade (5,8)
RYANS DAUGHTER – *(HUNGARYS TRADE) with “disrupted” signposting the anagram. Classic 1970 drama that had a big impact on me when I saw it as a 15 year old – but I wonder how well known it is to younger solvers?
3 Land crumbling into sea (7)
ESTONIA – *(INTO SEA) with “crumbling” signalling the anagram
5 Weapon held up by rebel first (5)
RIFLE – Reverse hidden in (held up by) rebEL FIRst
6 Referee, perhaps, who gives the game away? (7-6)
WHISTLE-BLOWER – DD
7 Place such as Bournemouth put in order again (6)
RESORT – If you put something in order again, you might be said to “re-sort” it
9 Big lunch organised round front of this cabaret venue (9)
NIGHTCLUB – *(BIG LUNCH) – with “organised” signalling the anagram – and T (front of This) also in the mix
14 Lacking dollars, mostly gives in (7)
BUCKLES – BUCK-LES{s} (lacking dollars, mostly). Witty wordplay – my clue of the day.
15 Small room near end of apartment (6)
CLOSET – CLOSE (near) + T (end of apartmenT)
16 One lad becoming excited, given advance (6)
LOANED – *(ONE LAD) with “becoming excited” indicating the anagram
18 River captured in Vietcong offensive (5)
CONGO – Hidden in VietCONG Offensive

40 comments on “Quick Cryptic 937 by Flamande”

  1. I was definitely out of it this morning: I thought I was going great guns, might even get in in under 10 minutes. Which I did, but it was only when I submitted and saw the leaderboard that I finally noticed that it was the Quicky and not the 15×15 that I was doing. (I do recall thinking at one point, Didn’t we already have a hidden?) I even wrote down the anagrist, something I make a point of not doing on the Quickies. Lack of sleep, I suppose. Anyway, like Nick I liked BUCKLES. 9:36.
    1. Yesterday you said you were a rhotician……can you decind, as I can’t find its meaning anywhere….📚
      1. Jack replied to this question yesterday. For your convenience, here is his answer:

        jackkt
        Oct. 10th, 2017 06:19 pm (local)
        Rhotician
        Not sure whether the word actually exists but it’s a reference to ‘rhotic’which is defined as: Phonetics
        Relating to or denoting a dialect or variety of English (e.g. in most of the US and southwestern England) in which r is pronounced before a consonant (as in hard) and at the ends of words (as in far). ‘rhotic and non-rhotic speakers’

        The homophone here is ‘garner’ which contains two Rs, which if one or other or both are prounced by a rhotician does not sound the same as ‘Ghana’ which contains none.

        Edited at 2017-10-10 06:21 pm (local)

        1. Might I suggest you set up a (free) Live Journal account, anon, as you would then have the facility to correct errors after posting?
  2. I guessed early on that it wasn’t a movie I’d heard of, so I left it till last and worked around it

    No idea what time the news plays at this end of the world, let alone the other—haven’t watched it in years. I’ve heard of Not the Nine O’Clock News though, so I was slightly confused for a second

    And the only Baldwins I’ve heard of are the American actors

  3. The North West was a struggle. Finished eventually in about 40 mins.

    LOI the vaguely familiar movie from the long anagram.

    The others that held me up were border (was looking for frontier + B = command.
    hearten, behead, and Estonia.

    COD close call but adaptable over buckles.

  4. Just managed to scrape home in 10 minutes. No problems, but there were a few clues that needed thinking about.

    Despite being a big fan of David Lean’s films I have never seen ‘Ryan’s Daughter’. It was a huge box-office success but did not find favour with the critics, especially in the US where they savaged it and as a result Lean didn’t make another film for 14 years.

    Edited at 2017-10-11 05:37 am (UTC)

  5. 12 minutes here even with Astrid going in quite easily. 2dn took a long time even though the film was familiar – I attempt anagrams without word circles in the QC so the long ones sometimes cause delays. Loi and cod buckles.

  6. LOI 23ac ASTRID should be bike only – strictly speaking ladies ride horses side-saddle – methink!

    Bit on the tough side but I should have been under ten.

    COD 3dn ESTONIA

    WOD none

  7. I really dislike clues where the answer is just a random name. Might have got there if it had just been “sitting in horse mostly” but was confused by the addition of bike – thought it would end “rod” (as in short for “rode” a horse) with the bike bit doing something else. Hey ho, had to come on here to be enlightened.

    Also not a fan of film titles, though at least it was an anagram.

    I liked 6dn and 14dn, very witty.

    Finished (apart from Astrid) by London Bridge.

    Thanks for the blog, Nick.

    Templar

  8. After a 10 minute triumph yesterday and a quick start today I stalled and ended up over 20. Enjoyed 6d and understood the rest. Like you though I think Ryan’s Daughter (great film as it is) would not occur to younger cross-worders. I do hope our compilers will start to take this seriously.
    1. Hmm, bit of a tricky issue as to which movies from bygone eras are fair game for our setters. If we equate movies with books (which seems reasonable) then antiquity per se should not be a bar, I would suggest: a clue requiring the solver to know (say) Treasure Island, Oliver Twist, or even (going back further) Moll Flanders would seem to me eminently fair. In which case the issue appears to be whether the work is a “classic”, as opposed to how old it is.

      I am not enough of a film pundit to have a firm view as to whether Ryan’s Daughter is a “classic” movie (in the way that, say, Oliver Twist would probably be generally regarded as a classic novel). From (roughly) the same era, I’d have thought Easy Rider or The Graduate would probably qualify as classics – maybe Ryan’s Duaghter is a bit of an edge case, but let’s not be too hard on the setters!

      Edited at 2017-10-11 11:50 am (UTC)

      1. Definitely wouldn’t want to be too hard or even hard at all! I accept that defining a classic is tricky. Ryan’s Daughter has had an occasional screening in the last decade or two. I stand by my plea for a little more age awareness. It’s too often generational rather than general knowledge in my view!
      2. Apropos of nothing much, the same director made a classic film version of Oliver Twist in 1948, 22 years before Ryan’s Daughter.
  9. I was taken over ten minutes, mainly by the film at 2d, despite having all the crossers, and the film being familiar once I’d got it. ASTRID galloped into view as we’ve seen her quite recently elsewhere. 21a was going to be BALDWIN or BALFOUR, but the victory sealed it. Biffed RIFLE without spotting the hidden. 11:58. Nice puzzle. Thanks Flamande and Nick.
  10. Although the news is now at 10 on both channels it was 9pm on BBC for 30 years, hence spawning Not the 9 o’clock news. It was also THE definitive news of the nation, overshadowing the somewhat lighter ITN approach. Then BBC changed to 10 (2000) in order to leave a longer mid-evening slot for football, films etc.

    About 15 mins for me, no real problems but biffed in BEDSIT for 15d and BALFOUR for 21a which took a while to sort out. ASTRID was not a problem although I must admit it is hard to think of a famous one. Google throws up those two well known celebreties Astrid Lindgren, (a Sweedish writer) and Astrid Kerchherr (a German photographer)

    Edited at 2017-10-11 10:24 am (UTC)

    1. News at Ten was the flagship ITV news programme for 32 years (1967-1999) in the days of the great presenters, Alastair Burnet, Andrew Gardner, Reggie Bosanquet and Trevor McDonald amongst others.
      1. Quite so – but it lost 2m viewers when the BBC switched to 10pm.

        Edited at 2017-10-11 08:11 pm (UTC)

  11. Does anyone else thing that Flamande’s puzzles have got harder recently? It used to be that I would regularly solve them in close to 10 minutes (as fast as I can go), but this one took me 21, and I seem to remember his last few being similar. I’m not complaining as I’ve always found them entertaining and they now come with the bonus of being a challenge as well.
    I had to wait until I had most of the checkers to get the unknown film (I was born in the 70s) and I couldn’t parse 13a as I was trying to make an anagram out of flat for the 1st four letters.
    LOI 1d. Lots of excellent clues including 8a and 23a.
    Thanks for the blog
  12. Exactly 10 minutes – I’ve not watched the film, so it took a little while to come to mind. For me, Astrid was the beautiful Queen of the Belgians who died in a car crash – although I was only 9, the mourning stamp issued made an unforgettable addition to my collection.
    1. It was/is a very beautiful and dignified tribute to poor Queen Astrid – issued in 1935 there were seven values in the set.

      Edited at 2017-10-11 01:24 pm (UTC)

  13. Same for me re ASTRID – I assumed it would end in rod, so it was a DNF thanks to that. I’m youngish, but had heard of Ryan’s Daughter and Baldwin so that was ok. BUCKLES took a while…I thought ASCENTS (ASSENTS wrongly spelt!) at first, as in “has cents mostly” but no dollars…bah.
    Re: cultural clues, it would be good to see some more modern classics — films and books — in the crosswords. TRAINSPOTTING, any setter?!
    Thanks Nick and Flamande for an enjoyable half-hour.
    1. I agree with you, Lucy. Bring on more modern everything – ‘youngish’ people should get a fair shot. I am not one but appreciate that many subjects and more recent current events are under-represented in crosswords.
      1. Good to know I’m not alone, Skate6. I’m by no means whatever-the-opposite-of-reactionary is, and I greatly appreciate the power of cryptics to expand my general knowledge…it just occasionally feels a bit fuddy-duddy (now there’s a cryptic clue in waiting)!
        1. This is always an interesting debating point. I think part of the problem (if indeed it is a problem – views differ on that) is the convention that only deceased people may be referred to in the Times weekday cryptic crossword (other than HM the Queen), which inevitably puts some limitations on contemporary references – albeit, granted, more up-to-date subject matter would not necessarily have to refer to living people.

          Of course, the exception to this is the Sunday Times cryptic (my favourite) which is a bit “racier” (though these things are relative!) and in particular does not follow the “dead people” convention. Thus Tina Turner and Michael Palin both cropped up in the ST a couple of Sundays ago, and there is often a liberal scattering of very contemporary street slang (particularly from drug culture and gangster rap) to spice things up (and cause irritation to some). If you do not already do so, you might want to start having a crack at the ST on a regular basis and see if it is more to your taste.

          1. Hi Nick. Yes, I do the ST one occasionally and infuriate my mother by getting the ones she can’t (most weeks are a DNF for me, though)…which I suppose is exactly my point 🙂
            Love the daily Quick, though; not too fussed if it never leaps into the 21st century. Life moves fast enough!
  14. As so often my experience seems to resemble plett11’s. I took 23 minutes and LOI was 1d.
    I thought this quite a challenging QC but at least had no major hold-ups (unlike yesterday). When you just can’t see what to others is obvious…
    I recall an Astrid in the life of The Beatles but not a common name in England.
    David
  15. Took two sittings to crack this, with 1d and 23ac only succumbing after lunch. Quite hard for Flamande, so I would agree with Plett11 that this setter has become a little trickier of late. Invariant
  16. 20 mins or so across two sittings. DNK the film, but nothing else too taxing. I like SIT-IN as COD, good to see rarer clue constructs as this.

  17. Managed to complete my first quick crossword (72 minutes), biffed a few, looked up lots, complete opposite of “neutrino” a mega slow. But a great feeling of success.
    Tony.C.
  18. Very pleased with a straightforward solve of 8:30.

    Only hold-up was thinking a ‘big lunch’ was ‘club’ as in sandwich and missing the anagram. Don’t even know if this definition would be acceptable as presumably a club sandwich could be eaten any time of day??

    Astrid didn’t elude me, but of course women ride astride horses in my book ….

    Thank you to blogger and Flamande

    1. I think the main reason it is unlikely that ‘big lunch’ would be used to clue ‘club’ would be that – in that instance – club is just one of a very large range of possibilities! Big lunches I have eaten in recent times include toad in the hole with chips and gravy, half a chicken with a load of veggies, a monumental Greek mezze to name just three… and not a club sandwich in sight!
  19. My slow-brain phase continues into its second week, with this one taking just over eighteen minutes, quite a few of them trying to work out the unknown film without resorting to pen and paper, and finally giving up…
  20. A bit late to the party, but.. yes, I too think Flamande’s puzzles have been a bit tricky recently, but I don’t mind – as long as we get a good mix for those dipping their toes into the crossword ocean. The film at 2d took me a while, but I got there with the checkers. 21a my favourite, and it wouldn’t be amiss in the 15×15. As for Astrid – she appeared in another recent crossword I’ve done. I think it might have been the Times 2. And while we are on that topic, today’s has a lovely nina. 8:01 for this.

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