Times 26,531: Old McDonald Had A Grid, X-Q-K-J-Z

Whoever it was asking whether longtime Times solvers can guess the identity of the setters – I’ve been under the weather this week and so asked our esteemed editor for a special advance copy, during which transaction he dropped the setter’s name, and once given that information it seemed totally obvious throughout, full of exactly the sort of vocabulary, abbreviations and signature clues for which the individual in question is famed. But hindsight is 20/20 and all that; I doubt I’d have worked it out for myself.

Anyway this was a pleasant middle-of-the-road Friday puzzle that I solved on paper in 8 minutes 22 seconds and eight hundredths of a second (aren’t stopwatches brilliant?). Strangely heavy on the farmyard animals, though what kind of farmer would have a 9ac amongst his livestock I don’t know, probably only one who does the crossword during his tractor rounds every morning. Being a TLS blogger I especially enjoyed the Wilde reference (plus we Magdalenenses have to stick together, don’t you know) and the couple of other moderately erudite literary nods. 1ac was my LOI, being probably not the most obvious word conjurable from the C_A_R_ crossers.

Many thanks to the setter; and with that, I open this puzzle up to the floor…

Across

1 Church – a vessel of salvation, revolutionary centre of spiritual power (6)
CHAKRA – CH A [church | a] + ARK reversed [a vessel of salvation, “revolutionary”]

4 Nonsense in legal document put into understandable language (7)
DECODED – COD [nonsense] in DEED [legal document]

9 Number present, parting with fine, about to get cross (5)
TIGON – NO. GI{f}T [number | present, “parting with fine” (i.e. losing an F)] all reversed (“about”)

10 Thieves take risk with money, beginning to end (9)
PECULATES – SPECULATE [take risk with money], with the first letter moved to into last place (“beginning to end”)

11 Attack what a farmer may do, wanting variety of milk? (4,1,2,2)
HAVE A GO AT – a farmer may HAVE A GOAT, if he wants goat’s milk

12 Congregational members showing lack of discipline ignoring cross (5)
LAITY – LA{x}ITY [lack of discipline “ignoring cross” (i.e. losing an X)]

13 Sanction to restrict home producing beastly sound (4)
OINK – O.K. [sanction] “to restrict” IN [home]

14 Came across as very angry-looking, having swallowed drug after party (10)
DISCOVERED – V RED [very | angry-looking] “having swallowed” E [drug], after DISCO [party]

18 Expulsion of pub staff into street after this person had returned (10)
DISBARMENT – BARMEN [pub staff] “into” ST [street] after reverse of I’D [this person had, “returned”]

20 Foreign writer‘s demeanour putting the Queen off (4)
MANN – MANN{er} [demeanour “putting the Queen off” (i.e. dispensing with E.R.)]

23 Article about a knight, king’s companion (5)
THANE – THE [article] about A N [a | knight]

24 In a queue, you say? Allowance must be made (9)
WEIGHTING – homophone of WAITING [in a queue, “you say?”]
A weighting as in “an allowance or adjustment made in order to take account of special circumstances or compensate for a distorting factor”

25 Causes of disease and sympathy – information is suppressed (9)
PATHOGENS – PATHOS [sympathy] “suppressing” GEN [information]

26 Dance fantastic on gala shows (5)
CONGA – hidden in {fantasti}C ON GA{la}

27 Author gloomy about sin in retrospect (7)
DURRELL – DULL [gloomy] “about” ERR reversed [sin “in retrospect”]

28 British engineers commandeering one old vessel (5)
BIREME – B REME [British | engineers] “commandeering” I [one]
REME are Royal Electrical & Mechanical Engineers, who turn up in these puzzles once every so often

Down

1 Suffer financial loss – i.e. to do this to get diamonds? (8)
CATCH COLD – apparently financial jargon for making a loss or losing one’s investment. If “catch cold” is taken as a cryptic instruction, I.E. “catches” C to become ICE… which is to say diamonds. Clues can’t get much crosswordier than this

2 French person offering a local wine – no good champagne ultimately imbibed (7)
ANGEVIN – A VIN [a | local (i.e. French) wine], with NG {champagn}E [no good | champagne “ultimately”] “imbibed”

3 Charge subsequently going up, squeezing any number (6)
RENTAL – LATER reversed [subsequently “going up”], “squeezing” N [any number]

4 Plant little girl on bed (5)
DICOT – DI [little (as in abbreviated) girl] on COT [bed]

5 Infatuation of everyone gathered round female in coastal location (4, 4)
CALF LOVE – ALL [everyone] “gathered round” F [female] in COVE [coastal location]

6 Performer admits drinking nothing, one becoming more crazy (7)
DOTTIER – DOER [performer] “admits” TT I [drinking nothing | one]. I don’t know when TT was in common parlance to mean “teetotal”… but where would crosswords be without it?

7 Old-fashioned couple given dirty hovel for nothing (5)
DUSTY – DU{o->STY}: DUO is the couple, exchange STY [dirty hovel] for their O [nothing]

8 Saw a Miss Laetitia outside house briefly (8)
APHORISM – A PRISM [a | Miss Laetitia] outside HO [house “briefly”]. Miss Laetitia Prism is Cecily’s governess in Oscar Wilde’s “The Importance of Being Earnest”, responsible for absent-mindedly placing babies in handbags

15 Show girl’s seen in court to be more wily than the rest (8)
CANNIEST – ANNIE’S [show girl’s] seen in CT [court]. Show girl as in Little Orphan Annie from the Broadway musical and films

16 I fret at the bottom of haunt that’s run down (9)
DENIGRATE – I GRATE [I | fret] below (“at the bottom of”) DEN [haunt]

17 Mark betting system involving a measure of understanding (4, 4)
TAKE NOTE – TOTE [betting system] “involving” A KEN [a | measure of understanding]

19 Ruin brought by second mad person (7)
SHATTER – S HATTER [second | (proverbial) mad person, q.v. Alice in Wonderland]

21 One receiving property, having right to enter a vacated estate (7)
ALIENEE – LIEN [right] to enter A E{stat}E [a | “vacated” estate]. Molto legalese

22 Fashionable greeting is pretentious (6)
CHICHI – CHIC HI [fashionable | greeting]

23 Kind daughter had an office job maybe (5)
TYPE – TYPE D [kind | daughter]

24 Feature of vehicle brings shout of delight to one kind of driver (5)
WHEEL – WHEE [shout of delight] + L [one kind of (learner) driver]

36 comments on “Times 26,531: Old McDonald Had A Grid, X-Q-K-J-Z”

  1. 21:10 … enjoyed this immensely. Everything parsed and understood except 1d which I parsed as ‘what else could it be?’, so thanks V (and get well soon). Nice clear wordplay for the less familiar vocab.

    HAVE A GO AT earned a chuckle so it’s my COD

  2. Same as Sotira re parsing all bar CATCH A COLD, but took me 31:34. Well, I kinda parsed the rest… I assumed a Miss Laetitia prism was something you’d find in a physics lab (yep, I’m no scientist…), and DICOT was from wp.
  3. I never thought I’d get one up on the Great V – 1a was actually my FOI (but thanks for enlightening me on 1d).
    I was glad to get Laetitia Prism, but now the image of Margaret Rutherford in full flow is hard to get out of my head, like a visual earworm.
    At 30 minutes start to finish and with some very cute cluing this was a very pleasant and pleasing end to the week.
    1. Looking at it again, it does have the air of clue that should probably go straight in from “begins with CH or CE” plus the definition… what can I say, I’m just not New Agey enough. Fearsome rationalist, me.
  4. Fine puzzle I thought, the kind when you look at a clue, can’t fathom it at all, don’t skip to the next one, look a bit harder, and get it after all. The exercise took me 24.54, 6 seconds less than yesterday’s which I thought was easier.
    HAVE A GOAT was laugh out loud fun for at least two of us.
    My last one in was TAKE NOTE. Having all the checkers didn’t help much, as knowing the first letter had to be M(ark) left only MAKE LOVE as a solution, for which “(system involving a) measure of understanding” seemed a fairly abstruse, if not feeble, definition.
    DICOT from wordplay only, and CATCH COLD from being in the general vicinity of a parse.
    1. Same kind of feeling about the clues today, e.g. FOI ANGEVIN, though by the end I did have to resort to biffing a few, e.g. LOI DUSTY and was mildly surprised when the “Congratulations” message came up.

      Sorry to be slightly grumpy, but I had the fortune to have an hour to sit on my sofa this afternoon and do this (and check the validity of 9, 10, 28 ac & 1, 4, 21 dn), but I think stuffing a crossword with quite so many obscurities would be quite frustrating if I had 30 minutes on the train or lunch break.

  5. …which is a lot better than I expected halfway through this one.

    COD HAVE A GO AT. LOI CATCH COLD, strictly from the checkers as I never got close to the wordplay and didn’t really know the definition (although I’m familiar with the old expression “when Wall St sneezes, the world catches a cold”).

    Felt a bit out of form this week, as my 23-over-par total would suggest, and went down 3-2 to The Man From Hong Kong. Well played him.

    Still fun though. Thanks setter and Verlaine. Have a good weekend everyone. Go Swannies.

  6. It didn’t bode well that I had to reduce zoom to 92% to get the clues and grid on one page – the crossword equivalent of finding oneself required to plough through War and Peace when one had been expecting a little light-reading at bedtime.

    Anyway I struggled to get going and was almost ready to give up for the night when it started to come together and I was pleased to find myself finished with everything parsed after 45 minutes. I might not have had every last detail of the parsing at 1d but I was in the right area and knew the main definition.

    The unknown answers were fairly clued but did take me a while to work out from wordplay and checkers: CHAKRA, ANGEVIN and DICOT.

    Edited at 2016-09-30 07:14 am (UTC)

    1. Verbosity may well be a standard feature from this particular setter – not that I’ve checked, but that’s my gut feeling…
    2. I have taken to leaving the zoom at 90% all the time .. eliminates any crossword printing issues, saves ink, and never caused a problem.
      1. Unfortunately I’ve now reached the age when my eyesight is failing a bit and I prefer the maximum size of print within the confinements of one page.

        Ink is not an issue now that I’m on a contract paying so much per month although I still prefer grey as available in the Club so that I can annotate within the grid to show the parsing as I solve. Greyscale as available on the new platform it’s no use because it lightens the print for the clues too and causes further eyesight problems.

  7. 17d my undoing; I couldn’t have come up with a term for ‘betting system’ to save my life, and the checkers were a fat lot of good. Glad not to be alone in not knowing CATCH COLD. APHORISM was late in coming–or understanding, since I biffed–because for some reason I had thought Miss Prism’s name was Sophronia (I do remember her misunderstanding Canon Chasuble’s allusion to Egeria). We’ve had DICOT (or DICOTYLEDON) before. TIGON was impressive, but of course my COD is HAVE A GO AT.
  8. That’s me above as Anonymous, not sure why. I now discover that both the March Hare and the Hatter are described as ‘mad’ by the Cheshire Cat. Carroll never used the phrase ‘Mad Hatter’, the phrase ‘mad as a Hatter’ pre-dates AAW.
    1. Like the Geordie bloke in Dark Side of the Moon says, ‘I’ve always been mad, I know I’ve been mad, like the most of us…very hard to explain why you’re mad, even if you’re not mad.’
  9. Quite a number biffed here but still took me 41 minutes, ending with the two C words at opposite ends of the grid. CHICHI is among the silliest words I can think of – or not, when it comes to crosswords.

    Utterly clueless as to who the setter might be, but then I only know a handful, and I don’t think it’s the Don (I finished it), John Henderson (ditto, and I didn’t hunker down for the weekend with camp-bed and flasks), Dean Mayer (not enough laughs), John Halpern (not enough smut) or “Harry” McLean (I was always more or less on the wavelength of this one).

  10. Biffable but never heard of DICOT. It looks like a ‘d’ has dropped from the railway/power station sign. Only got CATCH COLD from first definition, followed by LOI CHAKRA where I was slow to switch from western to eastern thinking. Remembered Miss Laetitia Prism only after having seen APHORISM. She could have been clued with a nod to refracting light for us physicists. Very enjoyable puzzle. In my dotage, I like the longer crossword while appreciating the puns in shorter clues. I know many contributors sign off with thanks to setter and blogger. I don’t usually, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have my heartfelt appreciation for making every morning brighter. Just under 40 minutes today.
  11. I have learned a lot today. Dnk CHICHI, ALIENEE, DICOT, or Miss Prism, all worked out from wordplay. Thanks for the parsing of 1d, like others I knew it had to be the answer, but couldn’t completely see why. However, the association of HATTER with mad person is not that of Lewis Carroll; the Hatter is a character but nowhere referred to as mad in Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland. Hatters may have been more susceptible to brain damage caused by fumes from the mercury (Hg) used in hatting. After a very slow start, with THANE FOI, thanks to Macbeth, 39′, thanks V and setter.
  12. Excellent stuff; wish I’d had more time to devote today, as I had a half-dozen left in the bottom half at the end of my hour, but I need to push on with work.

    Glad to have got the unknown ANGEVIN, DICOT and CALF LOVE from the wordplay. It’s also pleasing to note that some crossword words are starting to seep their way into my memory at last, like PECULATE and TIGON.

    Not sure I’d have had the brain power to tease out the unknown CHICHI and ALIENEE even if I’d had a whole extra hour, mind.

  13. OK once got going. Pathos isn’t sympathy though it may be a cause of it. Prefer G. Durrell to L. About half an hour.
  14. I didn’t click at all on this ‘middle of the road’ nasty.

    Cow corner had me although 1dn CATCH COLD was known but as ‘CATCH A COLD’.

    I found 11ac HAVE A GO AT pathetic – finally failed on 3dn RENTAL and ANGEVIN – I simply got bored and in mode meldrew. So DNF.

    COD 24ac WHEEL WOD CHICHI

    meldrew Shanghai

  15. Found this tough but satisfying, 55 minutes, had to check DICOT and CHAKRA afterwards as just from wordplay, I find it hard to imagine doing it in 9 minutes (respect, V).
  16. 10:29, taken past the 9- and 10-minute marks agonising pointlessly over 21dn. The wordplay pointed clearly to ALIENEE but I couldn’t quite believe it was a word, so I considered just about every other possible combination of letters in search of something better. I even seriously considered ASIGNEE, despite knowing full well how to spell ‘assign’. In the end I put it in and submitted, fully expecting to see one error.
    DICOT and CALF LOVE also from wordplay, but with less dithering.
    I didn’t have a problem with 1dn but like galspray I only knew it in the form ‘when X sneezes, Y catches a cold’. X always used to be the US but these days is more likely to be China. At what point does a commonly used metaphor become an acceptable definition?
    Nice puzzle, in any event.
  17. 45 minutes but with 2 wrong. Failed to spot the hybrid and mombled TEGAN despite having noticed GI(f)T while pondering and knowing the creature, and also failed to spot the reversal indicator in 1a, mombling CHAARK. Dunce’s corner for me! Otherwise I was quite pleased to work out other unknowns such as ANGEVIN, ALIENEE, DICOT and CHICHI, who I seem to remember was a panda. I knew the expression for 1d and also saw the reference to ice. FOI RENTAL, LOsI both wrong, 1a and 9a. Thanks setter and V.
  18. 25 min, so well ahead of barracuda today. 17dn LOI – I’d thought of ANTE POST from enumeration, but soon disabused by checkers, and SP was never going to work, but TOTE came to mind at last.
    Although I saw what 1dn was about, never did parse it properly, so thanks for that, also for identifying Miss Prism in 8dn. (I’d had a vague memory of there being a Miss Prune and Miss Prism somewhere as a fictionalised Miss Beale & Miss Buss.) In 17dn I thought of the gunslinger rather than the orphan after seeing CLASSIEST wouldn’t fit. I did like 11ac too, which was almost FOI.
  19. 19:11 for a most enjoyable puzzle. As Z suggested if you stared at a clue long enough it eventually came into focus. Well mostly: I couldn’t parse CATCH A COLD and didn’t know ANGEVIN, who Miss L was, what FRET and GRATE had in common and ALIENEE. DICOT was right at the bottom of the garden of my brain, hiding in a pot with Bill or Ben.

    Oh, I didn’t know CALF LOVE either, so my first stab was HALF LOVE but DECODED sorted that one out.

    TAKE NOTE was LOI with its nasty checking letters.

  20. Quite enjoyable, although I gave up before getting the (in retrospect) easy RENTAL. Oddities today were DICOT and ALIENEE, which I had to confirm afterwards in the dictionary. Most oddly, my FOI was CHAKRA – put it down to my being a child of the 60s, although, sadly but perhaps mercifully, the sex drugs and rock ‘n roll passed me by. Nice penny-drop moment with Miss Prism while parsing the (too obvious?) Saw = APHORISM.

    Edited at 2016-09-30 02:35 pm (UTC)

  21. Travelling back from London to Barcelona, the Spanish mum sitting in front of us called her little baby girl Chichi, much to the amusement of my wife (also a Spanish mum) – “chichi” is Spanish slang for ladyparts…
    1. Ouch! I will now never hear “ce n’est pas chichi” without breaking into a broad grin. Innocence once lost …
  22. 20 mins. Unlike V CHAKRA went in straight away but I struggled to get on the setter’s wavelength for the most part. I’m another who would usually put an “a” in the middle of 1dn, and because I didn’t get 18ac for ages I was reluctant to enter CATCH COLD until I could parse it, which I eventually did (and tipped my hat to the setter for the ingenuity). HAVE A GO AT raised a smile in this part of the world too.

    As far as the “PRISM” element of 8dn is concerned I didn’t have a clue how it related to Laetitia, but the answer seemed obvious enough so in it went.

    I finished in the SW with DURRELL after SHATTER, both of which took far longer than they should have done, as did THANE.

  23. 19:37, but about half of that was on the phone and distracted. CALF LOVE and DURRELL from wordplay.
  24. So, if I have this right, to solve 1d, you had to know the answer to understand the wordplay rather than the other way round. Sounds a bit odd to me. In 9ac, I was working on “number present’ as being ‘gate’ but couldn’t work out where the f(ine) fitted in.
  25. Oh dear! 15:16, leaving me feeling old and slow, as this is the sort of puzzle I’d have made reasonably short work of in days past. As it was, I could tell I was in for a slow solve from the time it took me to get my head round CHAKRA at 1ac (I was determined not to move on before coming up with an answer I was almost certain I could crack straight away), and indeed I made ridiculously heavy weather of some easy clues further down the line.

    I thought of DICOT straight away, but couldn’t fathom it until I had all the letters in place when its longer form came up and bashed me over the head.

    Nice puzzle though.

  26. Just solved this online (not a good idea at well past 11pm) in over 22 mins. Couldn’t get on the setter’s wavelength at all, and I think over 3 minutes had gone by before putting in the first answer. Seems I’m in good company on the wavelength aspect, but still alarmingly slow for me a month before the Championships.
  27. This one took me an unconscionably ling time, but at least it means I’ve got through the week without a DNF, which was nice. LOI PECULATES because (a) I barely remembered the word (and that only from Times cryptics, I’m sure) and (b) I was looking for a synonym for “money” to be the second half of the answer.

    ALIENEE was an NHO, got it from wordplay and a vague idea of “lien” meaning something. ANGEVIN equally unknown, perhaps because the French clearly have no idea how to spell “Anjovian”.

    Out of curiosity, I wonder what criteria the setters (or the relevant dictionarians) use to admit a foreign word into our fine language? Paella, pasta and baguettes must all have once been exotic foreign words for exotic foreign foods – what level of popularity do they need before they’re adopted?

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