Times Cryptic 26578 – November 24, 2016 5 kilos.

Took my time on this one, finishing in 32.21, though with all of the early runners and riders being in double figures that may be quite a decent time and suggest the puzzle is on the chewy side. Plenty of room for the kind of enjoyable side-issue debates that grace these pages, such as how can anything that starts with episode 4 be a trilogy, and what entomological boxes do ticks tick, if any? Just because you can form a superlative by adding -est, and an agent noun by adding -er, should you? Susie?
Early Scrabble high scorers suggested this might have all 26 variations in the set, but J and Z are conspicuous by their absence
Using clue, definition and SOLUTION, I present my findings. Be excellent to one another.

Across

1 Having split, flies very quickly  (2,3,5)
IN TWO TICKS  Anything that is split is at least IN TWO, and flies are TICKS, “the sheep-ked and similar degenerate bloodsucking Diptera parasitic on cattle and horses, etc”. I looked it up because I think of ticks as being not flies but similar to lice. Turns out the ked/tick is a wingless fly. Surely that’s a walk? Open to the floor
6 Vegetable that’s small and sweet (4)
SPUD  The humble potato, which consists of Small PUDdings
9 Greeting, very loud, in deception that one can see through?  (7)
CHIFFON very thin material that therefore hides nothing, woven from greeting: HI, very loud: FF (music) contained in deception: CON
10 Reckoning further cure not working (7)
RECOUNT  a (re)working of CURE NOT
12 Ancient structure to drag into tour of all bases (5,5)
ROUND TOWER  Take your pick from Windsor Castle, several Irish examples and many, many more across the planet and decide which one qualifies as ancient. A tour of all bases is a ROUNDER (“home run” from rounders’ much younger sibling doesn’t work). Insert TOW for drag
13 Old-fashioned message that’s dispatched with passion  (3)
IRE   Keep a look out for clues where the “with” is there for its W. Dispatch W from an elderly message WIRE and you have your answer.
15 Old Yankee taken in by slip of a youth  (6)
BOYISH The first of our NATO visitors today. Yankee gives you the Y, old the O, and slip the BISH. Arrange suitably.
16 Outspoken person responsible for dispatch rider in winter?  (8)
SLEIGHER  A soundalike derived from person responsible for dispatch: SLAYER. I’m ok with tobogganer, but sleigher looks less authentic.
18 State of antagonism ultimately leaves a bitter taste with one (8)
MISSOURI Took a while to break this down post solve. Antagonism finally is just the M, leaves a bitter taste IS SOUR and one I
20 Female, a reliable sort, endlessly felt for one  (6)
FABRIC  F for female, BRICK for reliable sort, minus its end, give our answer of which felt is an example.
23 Money-grubbing to hold back such a tip?  (3)
NIB  Reverse hidden in grubBINg
24 Use a fake King and Queen to move like Castle?  (10)
KAFKAESQUE (The)  Castle is one of Franz Kafka’s most impenetrable works, which even he gave up on, but is a fine example of the style of writing that produces the adjective we have here. It’s an anagram (moving) of USE A FAKE K(ing) and Q(ueen). K, the book’s enigmatic protagonist, appears 5 times in this puzzle.
26 Exit bar after upsetting female  (7)
BEATRIX  An anagram (after upsetting) of EXIT BAR
27 Version of Bible that is most zealous  (7)
AVIDEST  I’m sure we would normally write “most avid”. The A(uthorised) V(ersion)of the Bible is the one you need, and “that” is gives you the ID EST if you translate back into Latin.
28 A reminder that prejudice holds in Romeo and Juliet  (4)
ECHO Not two but three visitors from NATO. Look closely and you’ll see that in  pREJudice Romeo and Juliet hold Echo. Bravo
29 What we should have done perhaps with car tax once  (6,4)
ESTATE DUTY  In the UK, now mutated via Capital Transfer Tax into Inheritance Tax, the Government’s collaboration with the Eternal Revenue to ensure you really can’t take it with you when you die. DUTY, what we should do and ESTATE for car. Some of you might like to think station wagon or (d’un certain âge) Woodie or shooting break.

Down

1 Long hold-up — hours wasted  (4)
ITCH  hold-up hitch with one of the Hours wasted
2 In experiment I saw sections from original Star Wars? (7)
TRILOGY  I think this is I LOG (saw sections, i.e. a piece of sawn tree) inserted into TRY “experiment”. Research suggest that the original conception for Star Wars was one, three, nine or 12 “episodes”, but hey, after Jar Jar Binks, who’s counting?
3 Presumably no longer taken with music fan out to lunch?  (3,4,6)
OFF ONE’S ROCKER  A sort of double definition.
4 Taken in by local native  (6)
INNATE   “Taken in” gives you ATE if you squint and avoid grammar, and local gives you the INN, as in pub.
5 Spooner’s job to visit Orkneys town (8)
KIRKWALL  The good Speverend Rooner might say “work call” as a rough parallel to job and visit. Spoonerisms don’t have to be spelt the same.
7 Girl to serve as old maid? (7)
PRUDISH  Our girl is PRU, and she serves when she DISHes up.
8 Work as a magician?  (2,3,5)
DO THE TRICK A rather laconic double definition, with “work” being used twice. Works for me.
11 Problem I had raised in renting vehicles in Welsh region once  (13)
CARDIGANSHIRE  Originally Seisyllwg, now Ceredigion. Build it up from problem: SNAG, I had I’D reversed in renting vehicles: CAR HIRE
14 Yet needing to be with one that’s so described? (10)
ABOMINABLE  Add I (one) to the needy YET to get the Himalayan creature and derive the familiar sobriquet.
17 UN etc voting on energy solutions  (8)
PREFIXES  Un- being an example and etc suggesting others. One version of voting is PR, energy is E, and solutions provides you with FIXES
19 Starts on shirts and blouses on wash day  (7)
SABBATH  Very much not a wash day, of course, unless you’ve got a shabbos goy to hand.. The first letters of Shirts And Blouses plus BATH for wash.
21 Rake fetching in large gold coin cylinder (7)
ROULEAU  Careful construction needed. Rake is ROUÉ, into which you place L(arge) and then ad AU for gold.
22 One in hand — or 3 short  (6)
BANANA  The standard bunch of bananas is, of course, a hand 3 (see above) equally suggests bananas, but you only need one.
25 Time to visit for example?  (4)
STAY Decent enough &lit, with T(ime) “visiting” SAY for  for example.

67 comments on “Times Cryptic 26578 – November 24, 2016 5 kilos.”

  1. Agree that this was an extremely chewy one.

    Never heard of ROULEAU, and needed a full set of allen keys to assemble CARDIGANSHIRE, but very satisfying to get there in the end. Great puzzle.

    Thanks setter and Z. BTW Z, I had log as “saw sections from”.

    1. Yes, that’s much better, verb rather than noun. I’ll leave it as it is and see how many people read the comments before adding their own.

      1. Well I (mis?) read your comment, Z, and took it that you meant it as a verb, but yes, I’ll fess up to not reading to the bottom of Gal’s comment. Soz.
  2. celebrating World Fibonacci Day (11-23) didn’t help my speed on this offering. 56 inglorious minutes.

    But managed a Fibonacci style start – FOI
    1ac IN TWO TICKS – followed by
    1dn ITCH
    2dn TRILOGY
    3dn OFF ONE’S ROCKER
    5dn KIRKWALL
    8dn DO THE TRICK

    However 13ac IRE did not materialise in so orderly a fashion.

    The southerly slopes was were where I went off piste.

    COD 24ac KAFKAESQUE WOD SLEIGHER

  3. Not the best of solves, but I got there in the end with a couple not fully parsed. My eyes glaze over at the very mention of Star Wars or Star Trek or any others of their ilk so I bunged in TRILOGY at 2dn and moved on.

    I had problems deciding on the answer at 13 but settled on IRE without understanding why until much later; however before the penny dropped I wondered if I had overlooked another possibility so I typed I?E into Chambers Word Wizard which returned IDE, IKE IRE and even I’VE, but not ICE! I had been considering ICE because of its meaning “kill” or “despatch”, but then discounted it.

    Edited at 2016-11-24 07:55 am (UTC)

  4. 18:09 … lots of fun, and lots of setter’s licence on display but I think they got away with it. I’ll admit to biffing ECHO, assuming it was some unknown quotation. Too many satisfyingly off-beat clues to pick a winner. Bravo, the setter.

    Great blog, Z8. Party on, dude.

  5. Sadly this was not a morning for me to meet something this tough, having missed a few hours’ sleep last night. I gave up after forty minutes with not much of the grid filled in.
  6. 35 minutes. ROULADE and ESTATE LEVY delayed me for 5 minutes. This crossword had a fun feeling to it. Thanks setter and Z8 (for the 5 kilos).
  7. Very tricky, but got there in the end, with all parsed bar “I LOG”=”I saw sections”, very devious.

    Ended with ESTATE LEVY, STAY and ROULEAU. Phew. About an hour all told.

    COD: ABOMINABLE

  8. It felt like quite an accomplishment to finish this one when I’d been stuck with gaps in various places. LOI KAFKAESQUE which thankfully I saw fitted before I’d managed parsing or definition. I had no idea what was going on with ABOMINABLE so thanks for the parsing of that one.
  9. 20m. I thought this a very good puzzle but the abundance of what sotira calls ‘setter’s licence’ did irritate me a tiny bit. Is a tick a fly? You have to give it to the setter but it feels like a technicality. Does DISH mean ‘serve’ without ‘up’ or ‘out’? Is SOUR the same as bitter? Can you call a method for aggregating votes ‘voting’? It’s all justifiable in a ‘close enough for government work’ sort of way but a little bit loose for the Times.
    Only a little bit though, and I did enjoy this more than a little: chewy and satisfying. Any puzzle that includes Star Wars will be looked on favourably by me, although the missed opportunity for a Buffy joke at 16ac is regrettable.
    1. Interestingly, the first time I heard of wingless flies and the first time I’d encountered “bish” since the Jennings books was back in September, both in the same puzzle…

      So, now I add “tick” as well as hopefully refreshing my memory on “ked”, ready for the next time…

  10. I think you have to decide early on whether this puzzle is going to irritate or amuse. Once you opt for amuse it becomes fun and you forgive the licence whilst appreciating some fine word play finished off by the customary excellent z8 blog.
  11. Got there in 45 minutes after a second coffee, finishing in NE with SLEIGHER, an unknown word. I wanted to fit SLEDGER in from the start in tribute to that once proud cricket nation Australia, but like they’re doing it fell short. Some great clues: ABOMINABLE was biffed before seen and producing a belly laugh: KAFKAESQUE being close to my present experience installing new Desktop with a missing cable lost by Amazon Logistics: KIRKWALL a fun use of Spooner which I like though I know some contributors are sniffy about them. Proud of getting TRILOGY, being one of the select few who’s never actually watched STAR WARS. After my time, I tell my disbelieving kids. By the way, the most PRUDISH folk I know are not usually old and split 50:50 by gender.

    Edited at 2016-11-24 10:12 am (UTC)

    1. Good sledge BW. Oh sorry, you’re not Australian, so it’s not sledging is it? Ummm, clever banter old chap!
  12. A 45 minute dnf, with no less than six undone. Was pleased to get KAFKAESQUE. Tomorrow is another day.
  13. Not sledging, just bemoaning your batter’s inability to get an edge!

    Edited at 2016-11-24 11:33 am (UTC)

  14. Hi all, after encouragement from Sotira, I decided to stop being a lurker and make the occasional comment.
    I found this very tough going and biffed rather too many for my liking, ECHO, ABOMINABLE, PREFIXES but what else could they be?
    Maybe it was the hangover but I certainly needed a lie down after completion, unfortunately I was sat at my desk.
    My COD was SLEIGHER and my LOI.
    1. Welcome theworm. As Jack says it only gets easier but to be fair, you have picked a hardish one to start with. Good luck going forward, especially with Mondays.
  15. Thanks for the parse on ECHO Z. I’ve met quite a few ticks (the insect kind as well as the other) and keep a special pair of tweezers in the medicine cupboard to deal with them. Horrible little disease-carrying so-and-sos they are, and they’ve all been creepy crawlies – none of them had wings. But it’s Thanksgiving today so it’s the time for me to express the deepest gratitude to all our splendid setters and wish Kevin et al a very Happy one. [And I’ve persuaded the offspring to peel the SPUDS – yay!] 19.25
    1. If your good wishes are directed here, Olivia, thanks and same to you and the others in Rhinebeck. Best regards.
  16. 52 minutes (which I was quite pleased with, so low have my expectations sunk, finishing with the Star Wars clue. Never watched the sequel/prequel thingies, but The Empire Strikes Back would make my top 100 films.

    No wish to kick a man (or an Australian) when he is down, so suffice to say Cook needs to win the toss and we should be in clover.

  17. Enjoyably tough puzzle which has left me thinking it must be Friday, and a blog to which I can add little other than agreement that we shall never talk of Jar Jar Binks again.
  18. Found this tricky but fun, taking 45 minutes, starting with IRE and finishing with TRILOGY. Unsure why it took me so long to see it as I had TRI_O_Y for ages before the penny dropped! Didn’t see the parsing for ECHO and biffed SLEIGHER, missing the finer wordplay. Didn’t know ROULEAU but managed to work it out. Liked the YETI clue and the woolly county. Thanks to Z for his most bodacious blog and to the setter for a fine puzzle.
  19. Reading and contributing to these blogs each day adds a little spice to my life. Mind you, I’m retired, which you could be soon if you fall asleep at your desk each time!
  20. About 40 min, with last ten wasted trying to find anything better to fit 27ac than ALIMENT. So resorted to aid, when solution became obvious. Having Q X & K prompted thoughts of a pangram, with J improbably appearing at 28ac, from Juliet somehow.

    Edited at 2016-11-24 12:34 pm (UTC)

  21. Have to admit that I hated this puzzle. Some of the cluing just seemed far too forced. Getting the correct answer still seemed like opening an unwanted Christmas present. Just think what I could have done with my hour instead – give the cat a bath, sort my vinyl by genre, cycle in force 6 wind.
    Echo indeed.
    Alan
    1. Agree that ECHO was pretty ordinary. Must take issue too with Zed’s description of The Castle as impenetrable. Unless by that he means brilliant.
      1. As I remember, the main point about the Castle was that you couldn’t get in, which seems a fair synonym for impenetrable. I agree on the beauty and brilliance of the writing, but given that it’s difficult to find any two readers that can agree on its analysis, and that Kafka himself appears have not known how to end it, it does encourage a certain reputation for opacity. Perhaps that makes it, even more than the Trial, a commentary on the nature of existence: “an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is”.
        Personally, perhaps because I had it sussed, I thought the ECHO clue rather original and clever, but like a lot of this particular puzzle, there are clearly unusually strong variances of opinion. And I did that without mentioning Marmite!
        1. Thank God that, so far as I know, pace The Trial, they haven’t tried to make a film of The Castle. Kafka’s masterpiece still astounds in its ability to convey the immense capacity for harm of those whose modus operandi and raison d’etre is deception. Those who live to make mysteries, not solve them; to rule out the possibility of error rather than work to eliminate them; to disavow all responsibility while making a show of the importance of equality between human beings.

          As CS Lewis – a great fan of Kafka – put it, ‘I live in the Managerial Age, in a world of “Admin”. The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid ‘dens of crime’ that Dickens loved to paint. It is not done even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices.’

  22. Two tricky ones in a row for me and I’m glad it was Z’s turn and not me as I had no clue how ECHO figured into wordplay and wrote it in with a shrug. Ditto IN TWO TICKS. 20ish minutes and a lot of head scratching
  23. No time, but it felt like double the usual, and a DNF to boot. I finally reached a full grid save for K?F?A?S?U?, and I was fixated on castle as the chess move. Resorted to aids to get the answer. Enjoyed YETI, but didn’t parse the clever ECHO. Regards to all.
  24. Best to all, especially to the blogging team.
    Last time I gave out a general ‘good Thanksgiving wishes’ was in a famous bar in Venice. Ms paul in london suggested it in a way that left little choice if I wanted peace of mind for the next day or two, so I stood up, informed the room that if they were not aware the day was Thanksgiving, gave a little lecture on Thanksgiving, and wished the best to anyone present who was American. Three seconds of silence, then a room-wide chorus of: ‘In THIS bar, American would be pretty much everyone, wouldn’t it?’. Red face, and, as a consequence, no peace of mind for the next day or two.

    Edited at 2016-11-24 03:18 pm (UTC)

      1. Yes indeed. It was a bad idea in several dimensions before I got started, worse after.
          1. It was Harry’s. Better than Bellinis (a hard thing to write, but true), Harry’s mixes Martinis by the two dozen – pouring first gin, then vermouth, up and down a line of 12 x 2 shot glasses on a tray, which tray is then put into the cooler. That means many are always available. Perhaps next year in lieu of the George, all of the TffTs should book EasyJet to Harry’s.
            In my defense, I did explain to Ms paul in london that this might not be the best idea.
        1. Happy Thanksgiving, by the way. It’s one of my favourite times of the year, as I work for a large American multi-national and Thanksgiving means our bosses go missing for a week. Now that’s something to be thankful for!
          1. As a brit who worked for 36 years for two US multinationals (one of whom collapsed after I left it) I know exactly what you mean. A good time of year!
            1. When I really was Paul in London, I found December a complete shambles due to the lack of Thanksgiving. With it, we come back from summer, work hard for a bit, collect thoughts at Thanksgiving, then a three week sprint to Christmas hols. Without it, Santa is on display in the high street starting as soon as the poppies are off the lapels, and no one has any clue how far into December it is seemly to work.
  25. 22 mins of wide awake solving. I thoroughly enjoyed this challenge, although I have to confess that like a few of you I biffed ECHO. KAFKAESQUE was my LOI after PREFIXES. Happy Thanksgiving to all on the other side of the pond.
  26. This one took me such a long time that I have no choice but to lie and say I did it in under half an hour. I was surprised (perhaps the surprisedest person here) to learn that AVIDEST was a word, and failed to parse quite a few (including ECHO).

    I suspect that calling ticks flies was an error on the part of the setter – the fact that one type of wingless fly is sometimes called a “tick” hardly seems adequate justification.

    ROULEAU came to me only because red blood cells can sometimes stick together in stacks known as “rouleaux”. I think (though the internet refuses to confirm this for me) that rouleaux are also non-spherical or non-round shapes of constant diameter – they can act as rollers, even though they appear lumpy; the 50p coin is a flat version of this – all its diameters are the same, even though it has corners. If I wasted less memory space on such useless facts, I would probably remember more important things.

    1. My own research came up with the following fact:- Rouleaux formations are also adopted by spermatozoa as a means of cooperation between genetically similar gametocytes so as to improve reproductive success through enhanced motility and, therefore, fertilization capacity. You live and learn!
      1. Now that is something I did not know. Presumably the spermatazoa of Oxbridge men form up in groups of eight? And no, I am not going to make a joke about the cox.
    2. A releaux (rather than rouleaux) triangle is probably the simplest case of a curve of constant width after a circle but there are many many more. You would not want them as wheels on your car though
      1. No, but if you were an Egyptian pyramid-builder moving blocks of stone around on rollers, you could probably freak out your foreman.
        1. Yeah, I’ve tried that (in miniature) with a 50p coin. Sort of defies logic, doesn’t it?
  27. No Thanksgiving this year (piano’s filling the kitchen while the house is being refurbished) and not feeling especially thankful anyway for all of the political nonsense unfolding worldwide before our very eyes. I did solve this puzzle, but it took an hour and a quarter, with many things hard to parse (ABOMINABLE my LOI, for example, and ECHO, so I really should learn the NATO alphabet — of course, with Trump as President, who knows how much longer that will last). COD to SLEIGHER, perhaps the most amusing clue today. I kept looking for words starting DEC….. or JAN….. because of the “in winter”.

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