Times 28393 – Back in the saddle…

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1. Congrats on the anniversary!
   Tore thru this one. Got the first two acrosses right off.
   Biffed HEARTBREAK HOTEL and then had to correct!
   Only saw XERXES after ASTERIX, but it was one of my faves here.
   “Going straight” is a bit (deliberately, I guess) misleading, as it typically implies turning over a new leaf, while a LAW-ABIDING citizen is generally assumed to consistently have been such.
   POI BARI, LOI PREMIUM.

2. 30 minutes, but a DNF as I failed on BARA and realized after an alphabet trawl that the answer was going to be a place in Italy that I’ve never heard of. If the clue had started with ‘save’ rather than ‘saving’ I might have stood a chance with the wordplay.

   I thought ‘Munich Agreement’ JA was brilliant.

   1. Jack, we do seem to be quite opposites at times.

      My love of football made 13ac BARI a write-in, and after fifty years of travelling to Germany, the ‘Munich Agreement’ seemed somewhat pedestrian, IMO.

      But there is a silver lining, in that my twin brother, after thirty-five years residing at Hydrus Drive in Leighton Buzzard, has retired to the Gower, in South Wales.

      1. Beautiful Gower! I hope your brother enjoys his new life here. We’re generally a friendly bunch in this part of the world…

         1. The natives are friendly! Ann, that is good to know as only yesterday brother Peter was digging trenches! …………. in order to accommodate his new Internet Cable!

3. This was a biff-fest for me – not that literals were obvious, but everything just flowed in. Curiously, I didn’t get any across answers on my first run-through, but the downs were plentiful – inhaled, tea, and metabolism went right in. I had heard of Bari, which gave me confidence, and I parsed Heartbreak House carefully to make sure I was right.

   Yes, Ulaca joined up 10 years ago, when I had already been blogging for four years after Kororareka and I replaced Foggyweb, one of the original bloggers on this site. I’m not really sure how that happened, since I didn’t become admin until 2017.

   Solving time: 25 minutes, very close to my blogging opposite number.

4. 17:50
   Happy anniversary, U.
   I biffed several–LAW-ABIDING, RELATIVE PRONOUN (‘perhaps who’ did it), WHITE-COLLAR, THROUGHOUT–parsed post-submission. I didn’t get SIX=big hit in ASTERIX; should have guessed it was something crickety. LOI XERXES, which suddenly became easy with the X. ‘Conviction’ as a definition for ATHEISM seemed weak.

   1. Many of my fellow atheists insist that atheism does not imply a positive assertion (i.e., stating a conviction) that there is no God but is only the position that no convincing evidence has ever been presented for a deity’s existence. This is important because theists in debate typically challenge atheists to present proof that God does not exist (i.e., prove a negative), rather than themselves presenting the extraordinary evidence that would be necessary to prove their own extraordinary claim.

      1. OMg!

      2. I was going to say something similar, but you did it better than I would have! Russell’s teapot and all that. People also often say that atheism is a religion, which is a bit like saying that not collecting stamps is a hobby.

         1. Some atheists have at least a surface resemblance to believers in respect of a powerful drive to proselytise and an inclination to evangelical zealotry.

            1. Indeed (a certain evolutionary biologist comes to mind), but being an a******e is neither a necessary nor sufficient condition for either atheism or religiousness.

         2. I assume you weren’t going to say something similar to “OMg!”, but anyway, atheism is a belief (true, as it happens) that there is no god; Guy’s friends strike me as a bit wimpy on that point. We have no good evidence that there is no God=agnosticism; There is no god=atheism. (I would say that Trump’s election was a proof that there is no God, but.)

            1. My reply was to GdS!
               I don’t think the distinction between agnosticism and atheism is a useful one. Atheism is a contingent belief – if anyone presented me with convincing evidence, I’d change my mind – so what’s the difference?

            2. I am quite convinced that no God exists as imagined by any of the world’s religions, which are all pernicious rot. But there’s no way to prove the negative proposition that there is not a Supreme Being who set the world in motion and lets it run its course without interfering, as the Deists believed. It’s also difficult to see what difference that would make! Atheism does shade into agnosticism at that level. (Some agnostics, though, seem to reserve judgment about those aforementioned religious conceptions as well.)

               1. ‘There’s no way to prove the negative proposition that there is not a Supreme Being’
                  Well exactly. Agnosticism is really just a statement of the obvious. In other areas of life, if something can’t be 100% proven we don’t conclude that we can’t make judgements about it. If you’re just indecisive, say that!

                  1. I used to spend a lot of time puzzling over these matters , often resulting in a headache. I consoled myself that this sharp pain in the brain might prove that I at least existed!

            3. A-theism – Isn’t it an absence of belief?

               The lie about god isn’t the big one anyway – it’s the whopper about the afterlife that concerns me

               1. It’s all the same really: the latter is the point of the former:
                  That vast moth-eaten musical brocade
                  Created to pretend we never die

                  1. I’m not sure about that, catchy as it sounds. Judaism has rather little to say about the afterlife.

                     Perhaps this is part of the reason why I don’t believe many non-believing Jews to be what they claim to be. Especially when I encounter them after they have moved to Israel!

                     1. I think I know what you mean… (Correct me if I’m wrong.)
                        There have been many ethnically Jewish atheists, and it follows that they weren’t believers in Judaism—or Jews in that sense.
                        The conflation/confusion between ethnic identity and religious creed is, of course, a big problem in the modern world. It’s a throwback to the Bronze Age, during which Jahweh started out as the national god of a certain people.

                        Anyway, you’re right that there’s not much at all even hinted about an afterlife in Judaic scripture.
                        Ecclesiastes 3:20: “All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return.”

                        1. It’s just my tongue in cheek way of saying that I am agnostic about their atheism.

                           1. I, to the contrary, suspect that many people of whatever faith who say they are believers are… just telling themselves that.

      3. Excellent comment, saying what I thought very well.

5. Thoroughly enjoyed pottering along, no real problems. Probably about average time, but I’d expect it to be well under 100 on the snitch. Saw Italy beat Ukraine 3-1 in a Euros qualifier in Bari about 1995, and blown away by the stadium. Extremely minimal use of fine concrete to hold up cantilevered petals: holds about 60 000 .
   Liked WHITE COLLAR, CONJUGALLY, XERXES amongst others.

   1. You have to love those stadiums that serve real communities/areas and are disproportionately large for their town of name. Although Bari may not quite fit, you have Lens and Guingamp in France. Probably many others globally.

      1. Think it was built as a showpiece for the 1990 Mondiale, replacing the perfectly adequate stadium that served the community 😉

         1. Ah, another Stadio Dell’Alpe!

      2. Not football but opera… My dad was stationed in N Africa during the war. They came back to Europe via Bari. His best wartime friend was a violinist (later to play in one of the major London orchestras) who took my dad to the Bari Opera. (Working class lads from the Welsh valleys didn’t get much opportunity to go to the opera.) Anyway, it started a bit of a love-affair and when the Welsh National Opera was founded after the war my dad and I were the first in the queue for the gods – all we could afford. He never forgot that Bari experience – particularly the fact that opera-going there was not an elite interest. The entire community was represented.

   2. Each to his own but for me Bari’s stadium stands out like a sore thumb or something from outer space that Spielberg might use for a remake of Close Encounters.
      Compare that to the way that Brighton’s Amex stadium nestles in nicely with the surrounding downland.

      1. I’m an engineer, so more impressed by the design than the aesthetics.

         1. One thing I’ve yet to understand; if Italy is the home of great design, how do you explain the FIAT Multipla? It’s as if one of their designers has gone on a scuba diving holiday in the Maldives, seen a Humphead Wrasse and thought: “that looks like a great idea for a car”!

            1. Everyone’s allowed a mistake? 🙂

               1. 🤣

6. The solemn temples, the great globe itself,
   Yea, all which it inherit, shall Dissolve;
   And, like this insubstantial pageant faded,
   Leave not a rack behind.

   25 mins pre-brekker. I really enjoyed this. Seven ticks, no crosses, no MERs.
   Wig/bald anagram, Rocky boxing, conjugal cellmates, different hesitation, and the excellent Munich Agreement. Top clueing IMO.

   One of these reminded me of the old gag: Who is the only 16 stone man to ride a Derby winner?
   Thanks setter and U.

   1. Ah, the Long Fellow’s cellmate. Haven’t heard that one for 30 years or so.

7. Technical DNF because, after sailing through most of this, I fell apart in the NE corner. That was largely due to biffing HEARTBREAK HOTEL. I was so convinced of the rightness of it that I made a mess of 8d, 7d and 13ac and used aids to solve them. Quattro Errori! Mamma Mia!

   1. Snap!

8. I slung in HEARBREAK HOTEL at 10ac, and SITUATIONAL at 7dn an then had to unravel the mess up in Geordieland. That took me up to 40 minutes, rather than the 30 I was anticipating. Doh! Doh!!

   FOI 12dn WHITE COLLAR
   LOI 5ac TONE UP rather than TOSS UP!
   COD 22ac CONJUGALLY
   WOD 6dn OCHE – where the late ‘Jocky Wilson used to stand – on the ‘Ocheee’! “One hundred and eighteee!”

   The Kia Oval Test Match v South Africa has been quite sensational. At last ‘Creepy’ Crawley played a proper innings. I fear the heroic Subaltern Stokes is heading for the Zimmer shop, if he doesn’t get sorted out soon. Otherwise he won’t be able to stand for ‘God Save the King’!

9. I also managed to mis-biff HEARTBREAK HOTEL, but I sorted that out very quickly as soon as EDUCATIONAL hove into view so it didn’t slow me down much. Neither did never having heard of BARI, Puglia, David Platt, or indeed even the fact that Italy has regional capitals… I romped home in 22 minutes, my quickest solve for some time. COD to 8d PREMIUM

10. I started this puzzle after making a cup of tea and then TEA was my FOI. TIRED and INTIMATE followed and were soon accompanied by HEARTBREAK HOTEL. This entry persisted until EDUCATIONAL forced a rethink, at which point the NE corner fell nicely into place, with BARI finishing the puzzle. Liked XERXES and ASTERIX. 23:13. Thanks setter and U, and congrats on the milestone!

11. 13:25. I also checked in at the HEARTBREAK HOTEL. Seems like it was pretty busy there. I finished with BARI, which occurred to me before I parsed it resulting in much head scratching as to how it could be a capital when Rome is the capital. So as is often the case I’ve learned something new from the crossword today. Now to find out what the other capitals are…

    1. Dear Mr. Pootle, Go on-line to ‘Easy Diplomacy’ for the Italian Regions and Regional Capitals. It is easy to forget that until 1861 that Italy as such, did not exist, only the Italian language. There were twenty states that became a confederated Kingdom.

       So there were twenty state capitals in Italy from Aosta to Venezia. This number included Roma which was the state capital of the Lazio region. Little wonder that the volatile Italians have had so many Goverments since WWll!

       The German states had federated by 1871, with each state naturally having its own capital. Again it was the language that was the unifying discriminator.

       The UK is now going in the opposite direction and we may soon revert to having an English King, rather than a British Monarch. And so who might be the ‘New Pretender’? Bonny Prince Charlie II seems to have disqualified himself, unless like his Great Uncle he abdicates prior to his Coronation!

       1. We “did” Italian unification in history at school, but the only thing I can remember about it, other than that it happened, is that Garibaldi had a hand in it somewhere, and I’ve only remembered him because of squashed fly biscuits.

          1. You are bang-on Professor Penfold, old bean! Garibaldi’s mama did the biscuits (under less than hygienic conditions), whilst his wife ran a shirt making factory, more often dyed bright red than not, so as to hide any signs of bloodshed, or was it the ketchup? Meldrew

             1. And there’s me thinking it was Guiseppe’s brother Aldo who created the Garibaldi biscuit when he was the manager of an outlet of Greggs in 1870s Milan!

          2. Same on all counts, but also something about red shirts.

12. This felt like a bit of a work-out to me – made rather heavy weather of some (e.g.) RELATIVEly easy solutions. The layout of the 10a clue made it clear that “rock ‘n’ roll hit” couldn’t be the definition, but like others I had to fix HOTEL. Still had a lot to do in the SW at 30m – eventually XERXES was quickly followed by ASTERIX and TROY (a bit of a leap of faith) and finally GAINSAID.

    Monday completions have been thin on the ground for me recently, so 38:21 is no bad outcome. Thanks U and setter.

13. Excellent crossword. Many great clues.
    Congratulations ulaca on your milestone.

14. Very quick EXCEPT for the NE which took longer, as to start with, I had the hotel not the house. Works in Monopoly, but ..
    Also being a wine drinker, I tried unsuccessfully to parse GAVI before settling on the right answer.

    1. I note from my Saccone & Speed Days, Piedmontese Asti frizzante, like Gavi, is derived entirely from the Cortese grape. There is a rather similar Portuguese wine. Meldrew

       On edit: from memory Louriere is the Portuguese grape, grown in the Minho region – (Vinha Verdi ?) I appear to have first sampled Gavi in Genoa.

15. 25 minutes. Never heard of the ‘Play’ at 10a but once a few crossers were in, the wordplay helped. I couldn’t have told you the BARI was the capital of Puglia either. Interesting to see XER(O)XES for copies, not a word you hear used much these days.

    I’m in the “like” camp for the misleading surface for JAPAN.

    Congrats to ulaca and Vinyl on your ten year double-act.

16. 14:20. Held up by about 3 minutes at the end in the NE corner by the mistake many others made of having HEARTBREAK HOTEL. Welcome back Ulaca and congratulations of the anniversary. Nice puzzle. COD to PREMIUM but I also liked the Munich agreement and CONJUGALLY. Thanks Ulaca and setter.

17. 10:16

    A pleasing solve, in that whilst nothing was an immediate write-in, a few seconds’ thought on most clues brought everything into focus. “Ah, that’s the definition, so the wordplay must be that and the answer is therefore…”

    Applying that to the first two acrosses opened things up nicely, whereas moving on too quickly would have led to a longer solve. It also meant that I had EDUCATIONAL in place before I got to HH, and while I paused to figure out why H HOTEL didn’t fit, I wasn’t tempted to BIFF.

18. 10.15 but… I slowed myself down hugely on this with two over-hasty biffs – the HOTEL and CONJOINTLY – which I then didn’t question for far too long. And then I managed to type MATABOLISM.
    Welcome back, u, and congratulations on the anniversary.
    23d is a bit harsh. I had an image of JAPAN doing this puzzle and saying ‘you just have to keep bringing it up, don’t you?’

    1. A belligerent is a country participating in a war; Japan was one, so was the UK, inter alia. ‘Belligerent’ isn’t the same as ‘aggressor’ (which, of course, Japan was, too).

       1. Technically yes, but in everyday speech I think the adjective leaks into the noun meaning. And even if not it’s a bit reductive. But I was mostly just being facetious.

19. 30:57

20. “Well since my baby left me….”
    Whoops ! Pass the Tippex….

    I thought this was rather un-Mondayish, and struggled for a good 4 minutes at the end in the NE corner

    FOI INTIMATE
    LOI PREMIUM
    COD CONJUGALLY
    TIME 12:45

    1. Phil, for no reason whatsoever, I checked-out Brian Hyland. Perhaps I thought he was spelled Highland? I note that his first hit was ‘Itzy-bitzy, teen-weeny, yellow polk-dot bikini which went to No.1 both in the UK and Stateside. I was only nine at the time. They don’t make ‘em like that anymore! His only other success was, ‘Sealed with a Kiss.’
       Was Brian on your radar? It looks like The Bolton Wanderer is on his hols.

       On to the Oval where England require just over 33rpm to gain a remarkable victory, so over to E. W Swanton!

21. I was 40 minutes over this, but enjoyed it greatly, Jocky at the OCHE and HEARTBREAK HOUSE being my favourites. I was too long down at the end of lonely street with Gene and Grace before the crossers told me it had to be Ned. ASTERIX has passed me by and was LOI. Thank you U and setter.

    1. Talk of the devil!

22. Very nice crossword; as Penfold says you could nearly always work things out even if not immediately, which is what I did although not at his speed. Wasn’t tempted by HOTEL, since I was vaguely aware of the HOUSE and so didn’t want to biff one or the other. Liked PREMIUM. 35 minutes.

23. (18.28)

    Congratulations Ulaca!
    After a week’s holiday in Scotland, this was a very jolly puzzle to return to. Not difficult but loads of fun throughout, with too many good clues to signal one out. To add to that, my knowledge of Italian constitutional matters has been significantly improved by the comments on here. I’m now hoping that Schleswig-Holstein might turn up in a puzzle later this week.

    Thanks to Ulaca and the setter.

24. Nice to get you back Ulaca. I thought this was going to be a pangram with all those Xs, Ys and Js but in any case it landed right in my wheelhouse at 9.52 which doesn’t often happen. It was years before I realized that XERXES and Ahasuerus were one and the same. Some very good stuff here but the Elvis/GBS mash-up was my favourite.

25. Enjoyed it, 20 minutes, didn’t put in HOTEL, have been to (through) BARI on the way to / from Greece. Congrats on long service ulaca. I have a milestone approaching too.

26. 32:59

    Initially bunged in HEARTBREAK HOTEL before working out EDUCATIONAL and with HOTEL in doubt, working out PREMIUM soon after.

    RELATIVE PRONOUN cleared up the bottom half, with ASTERIX/XERXES and JAPAN/CONJUGALLY/DISSOLVE coming after that.

27. A mention in dispatches for Galspray, who stormed home in 10 minutes.

    We miss you!

28. A rather slow 26 mins held up by the HOUSE play which I hadn’t heard of, and not making USE of USE. Started in the SW, and was expecting Q and Z but they never materialiZed.

29. I thought this was pretty easy, partly because of some easily spotted definitions such as at 25a. I avoided the HOTEL trap at 10a because I didn’t enter anything until the end. All done and dusted in 20 minutes.
    I liked the clues on the whole. Although relatively easy, they weren’t bland.

    1. Opposite reaction to my reading! Having lost heart over no entries on first look-through of acrosses, my confidence completely drained, I was in a negative frame of mind by the time I reached 25a ( which should have been easy). So followed a pathetic amount if head-scratching, and a conviction that solvers would find it as obtuse as I did! Not so …
       Setter a master/mistress of misdirection! Setter 10, Solver 0. 😫

30. 18:38. Nice and gentle – bar the HOTEL for HOUSE dead-end. The crossers put me right but it took a while.

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