24633 – placeholder, updated

Sorry folks,

Lack of a report here is entirely my fault. Sabine has given up her Friday slot and I failed to complete the process of finding a new candidate in time. I’ll write something by about 1 p.m. In the meantime, talk amongst yourselves.

Initial verdict: another fairly easy one – 8:51 for me, which might have been faster if I’d managed to convert the too-short craftsmanship at 5D to DRAUGHTSMANSHIP from the sound of the words, instead of just keeping the final SHIP and getting the rest from checkers.


Sorry for the delay today – it’s 12:39 BST as I start this, so let’s see how fast I can write a tolerable report, continuing from the placeholder. (Answer: 24 mins unless I find any howlers when reading it back – add another 5 mins for doing so and correcting a couple.)

Across
1 BAREFACED – ARE in ABCDEF*
6 Today’s omission which some beginners might have to work out from T?A?H
9 1(MM=”two marks”),ORAL
10 A,MATE=colleague,UR=”you are”
11 SHIFT – 2 defs
12 UNGUARDED – 2 defs, one about chess
13 CHIPS – 2 defs, one schoolmaster, one informal carpenter
14 BOTTLE=vessel,OUT=away from shore
17 MAGNESIUM – (MM=two thousand,guineas)* – the Two Thousand Guineas is a classic horse race if the capitals puzzle you
18 VOTES, which are often indicated by (show of) hands, and could be Noes and Ayes = “nose and eyes” – instant choice for COD
19 FORBIDDEN = (in Bedford)*
22 MERIT – reverse hidden in “retirement”
24 REP,LACE = “combination of fabrics”
25 HOTSEAT – T in Hosea (Bible book), then another T
26 HO(L=50=half-century)ST – similar mild reservations about the def to jacckt’s comment
27 SAPPHIRES = (is perhaps)* – an anagram which I’m sure I’ve seen before
 
Down
1 (Arthur) BLISS=composer (search for his last appearance here to hear some of his music) and “what inspires rhapsody”
2 R(E,MAIN)ING
3 FOR,E,TA(S=second)TE – tweaked after a comment
4 COLOUR BLINDNESS – cryptic def. I’m never quite sure about how many “colur blind” people would actually struggle with Rubik’s cube or similar – I thought the problem was seeing (e.g.) red on a green background.
5 DRAUGHTSMAN = “piece moved on board”,SHIP=vessel
6 T(I)ARA – “tiara” is specifically papal headgear as well as a blingy hairband
7 A=article,HEAD=crisis, as in “Fred’s personal problems came to a head”
8 HERODOTUS – “father of history” and hence “historical pioneer”, and (rode south)*
13 (River) CAM,E, (River) FORTH
15 LOVE MATCH – cryptic def for a marriage based on love rather than being “organised”=arranged
16 OUTERWEAR = “we tear our” – unlike a commenter, I didn’t mind “worn” in its double role
20 RE(P)EL
21 I(NAP)T
23 TITUS – T from “revolT”, in rev. of SUIT=become – “stopping” is a two-way containment indicator, here using stopping=holding/arresting/containing

39 comments on “24633 – placeholder, updated”

  1. 15:30 I rated this about 7.5 /10 on the difficulty scale. Ref the ‘top’ in 26 I think it would be a poorish clue without it , but the inclusion makes it quite a good clue.
    I liked VOTES where the eyes and nose had me fooled.
    Needed quite a few checkers to get the long down entries.
  2. 33 minutes. Couldn’t get started; so dived down to the bottom and worked clockwise. As the last one went in (TITUS) I wondered why I’d had trouble in the first place. Oh, the perversities of crossword puzzles! Retired schoolteachers will appreciate CHIPS and the reverse-hidden MERIT. Very neat.
  3. 16 minutes. Overall very straightforward indeed and for the third time this week I thought for a while I might be flirting with the 10-minute barrier. However I was slowed down in the NW (BAREFACED/BLISS/SHIFT) and SE (LOVE MATCH/VOTES/HOT SEAT/TITUS).
    As ever this puzzle provided me with a number of learning opportunities (which is what an obscurity is called when you’re in a good mood). BLISS I think I knew but only very vaguely. REP was unknown although I’ve a feeling I’ve come across it before, which can only have been in this crossword. 6dn had two complete unknowns: the Hill of TARA and the non-sporting meaning of “triple crown”. Somehow this didn’t stop me getting it almost immediately.
  4. Practically out of breath when finishing this. Must go for more strolls in the park. Only TITUS gave me pause, at least once I had decided against an English composer theme.
      1. I see that I did comment back in June, but managed to forget him again in the interim.
        With a memory like that it’s little wonder I struggle with general knowledge.
        Looking on the bright side the pleasure of discovering interesting new facts is one I can experience again and again…
  5. Not so easy here. I had a run through the clues at 1am and wrote only 4 answers in: 9ac ,3dn,13ac and 6ac so I gave up. This morning it took me another 40 minutes to complete. I thought some of it was quite devious so I shall be interested if lots of others agree that it was an easy one.

    I still have one unexplained. I’m not saying which it is in case I’ve missed something obvious, but I shall admit later if I did.

    Also I don’t quite understand ‘top’ in 26ac as with reference to any composer it’s surely a matter of opinion. But it helps the surface reading, I suppose.

    Using ‘worn’ in the clue to 16dn was a bit feeble, I thought.

    1. 23dn was the one I didn’t understand as I had missed that SUIT (which I had spotted) is clued by ‘become’ and the middle ‘T’ comes from ‘revolt’. I was trying to make ‘SUIT’ = ‘revolt’ (which it clearly doesn’t) and had taken the middle ‘T’ from the last letter of ‘at’.
  6. 20 mins, and I also found it none too easy, as the long central Down clues were slow to succumb. I particularly liked 17A MAGNESIUM. Both 10A AMATEUR and 18A VOTES go beyond conventional homophones in interesting ways.

    Tom B.

  7. 40 minutes again, but with 11ac wrong (SKIRT, ahum…)

    18ac I got, but the reason befuffled me for ages, and in fact even after seeing the explanation it took me a minute to get it.

    REP as a fabric was new, but what else could it be?

    In 15d I got too hung up on having to take ‘union’ out of something, but faced with L… M.T.H, jotted it in and awaited an explanation from the blog.

    In 23d I totally failed to find suit = become, but there can’t be many emperors who fit T.T.S.

  8. 13:33 .. really liked the vertical reversal in 23d (“become elevated”) and the Eyes and Nose of 18a.

    Battening down hatches here ready for the arrival of Hurricane Earl. This is when choosing a house twenty yards from the sea doesn’t seem such a great idea.

    1. Our news just now indicated it is losing strength so hopefully all will be well Sotira but best wishes and good luck.
      1. Thank you, Jimbo. Waiting for these things to arrive is usually the worst part, but they sometimes pick up speed over the coastal waters so we’re keeping everything crossed.
  9. That’s 5 doddles on the trot – just over 15 minutes for this one.

    I’m also with Jack – “top” in 26A is padding. Not convinced that a LOVE MATCH has anything to do with formal marriage. It’s surely partnership, married or not, that is not undertaken for reasons of status, wealth, etc.

    Liked VOTES

    1. I thought the same at first, but the Oxford def is specific about marriage. Collins, which I only just looked at, has “marriage or betrothal”. As there’s not really any such thing as “arranged living together”, the distinction is presumably only thought worth making when the relationship is marriage or is just about to be.
      1. As you didn’t mention Chambers I looked in there and I must have looked it up before because it says “marriage for love not money, status,etc” So strictly according to the dictionary definition the clue “partnership not involving union organisation” doesn’t work. It’s a bit out of date of course but even allowing for that it’s surely far too loose – these days people in a LOVE MATCH may or may not be married.
        1. I don’t understand why the Chambers or other defs mean that the definition doesn’t work. Marriage is surely still recognisable as a possible interpretation of both “union” and “partnership” – COD’s def. for partner includes the words “either member of a married couple”.

          If you think the dictionaries are wrong about “love match” relating to marriages rather than all cohabiting couples, your dispute is with the lexicographers whose definitions the crossword setters are using.

          1. I don’t have any trouble with the dictionary, only your imitation of Humpty Dumpty. Let’s agree to disagree.
            1. Sorry, but I genuinely don’t understand this.

              If you “don’t have any trouble with the dictionary”, then you can’t simultaneously say that “people in a LOVE MATCH may or may not be married” – if you think that, the dictionary is wrong.

              Where do you think we disagree? “Humpty Dumpty” suggests that you think I’m imposing some definition of my own, rather than using precisely what the dictionary says. But I can’t see where I’m supposed to be doing this. I have already said once that I was initially surprised in the same way as you.

  10. 21:03 so on the harder side of average for me. It took a while to get going. Had a few QMs on some of the wordplay when solving but have since figured it out (most notably the nose/eyes).

    I can’t see what’s wrong with “worn” at 16 as it helps both def and surface, although looking at it again “oddly we tear our clothes” would have been enough on its own methinks.

    1. It actually means “be impervious to” (first 3 words of clue) – see the second sub-def of meaning 1 here, which is also in the Concise Oxford.
  11. Not quite EP today, but not the stinker I anticipated. 21 minutes. COD to VOTES. Presumably we can expect something more difficult tomorrow!

    Nice puzzle. Some very good clues but if one is on a roll (as I seem to be) nothing is a problem. Pride comes……!

  12. Having started quickly (all the more so as I was execting a toughie and so relative quickness counted all the more) I decided to go for a time, throwing things in and thinking later. For some reason with four to go in the NW corner well under 10 mins I slung in FORESTATE, which I was happy with on word play, and didnt even think about the meaning being wrong. BLISS came quickly and I shoved in CHINA for no reason apart from checkers, before taking another 7mins looking at S_I_S and scrolling through letters. The best I came up with was SUITS as in “office workers” and at a push garment, although the singular/plural thing grated. So about 15 mins and THREE! wrong, even though I was adamant earlier that the carpenter bit was some variant of CHIPPY – even thinking MASTER=SCHOOL=FISH=CHIPS!!

    The moral of the tale is the extra few secs getting FORETASTE would have saved several minutes of pain and the errors, although in my defence FORESTATE is plausible, even if it doesnt actually exist!

  13. Regards to all, and, to Sotira, keep your head down and good luck. Right now the storm is SE of us in NY, and out to see heading for Cape Cod, and thereafter towards you, but considerably weaker. We hope. As to the puzzle, I found it on the easier side today, 15 minutes ending with the LOVE MATCH/BOTTLE OUT pair, since I’d never heard the ‘bottle out’ phrase. Wordplay and the checking letters only for that one. I liked the VOTES clue, but I nominate BAREFACED for COD, for the ‘first letters, out of order’ device. Best to everyone.
  14. 52 minutes for this, a fair bit of which was wasted by carelessly assembling ‘fortastee’ instead of FORETASTE. Notwithstanding that, the three 5-letter words in the NW were probably the hardest part of the puzzle, anyway. Indeed, CHIPS entered without full understanding of the wordplay, because I couldn’t slip from ‘Mister’ to ‘master’! COD to the excellent UNGUARDED.

    Perhaps tomorrow’s will be a terror. With everyone here in HK hunkering down for a typhoon (I note this is also affecting Sotira in Canada), that might be good timing.

    PS to Peter – you’ve left the ‘English’ out of FORETASTE: something, sadly, I was bound to notice given my travails …

  15. Managed in two sessions for a total of about 40 minutes. Liked 1a and was held up by 5d until I remembered ‘draught’. Also had made a margin note ‘JESUS” which was briefly a possible answer for 13a Master carpenter.
    Good luck Sotira….hope this helps

    http://www.stormpulse.com/hurricane-earl-2010

    Bob in Toronto where a heavy rainstorm has held up the air show at the annual Canadian National Exhibition.

  16. Was going well quite well here but came to grief on Outerwear and Hot Seat (thought it was Spot), uncomfortably enough; at least got there in the end. I’m with the ‘top’-ers; it gives the surface a touch more energy, and is surely acceptable as “one of the top” as a general measure. Love Match is used mainly for a marriage or marriage-to-be in a community where there are a lot of arranged marriages; and not as a particular term of similar strength anywhere else, I’d have thought. Liked the first letters in 1.ac.
    1. If ‘one of the top’ was the intended meaning, which I accept it was, it might have been better if the clue had been ‘Crowd welcoming half-century for a top English scorer’.
    2. LOVE MATCH seems to have caused some controversy today!
      I agree with your interpretation, and in this sense in Western societies it’s more or less archaic.
      I’d also say that it has to apply to a marriage. It’s a term that takes its meaning from what it is not, and I’ve never heard of an arranged cohabitation!
    3. I had the same view of LOVE MATCH being a marriage for love in contrast to an arranged marriage (which is the result of”union organisation”)
  17. A bit over an hour, though I did finish it correctly this time (but I checked REP and BOTTLE OUT with the dictionary before daring to look at this blog). Strangely enough I saw DRAUGHTSMANSHIP right away but needed the crossing entries before I firmly believed it. Last in were VOTES, LOVE MATCH and finally BOTTLE OUT (which I have never heard of)corrected from BOTTOM OUT . And I had to keep reminding myself that the Dutch fishing vessels called botter are not likely to appear in an English crossword. The clues I liked best were for VOTES and TITUS.
  18. Almost certainly talking to myself here, but this was a PB for me. Quite by chance I had the stopwatch running, and stopped it at 23min 26.9sec. Things are looking up.
    1. All PBs should be duly recognised – especially those which equal mine. I’ll be keeping a wary eye on you now, you know!
      1. …thanks ulaca, although any hopes that this might be a permanent state of affairs were quickly wiped out by the Saturday puzzle.

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