Times 26389 – Suffering from cramp?

I made a bit of a meal of what was – to be fair – a meatier Monday offering than usual, with my less than stellar scientific knowledge holding me up on 3 across and making the elephantine clue more difficult than it already was.

Some nice stuff here, I thought, with 25 across getting my COD nod, not least for putting me in mind of the newly elected politician here in Hong Kong, who became something of an Internet sensation when he responded to a question posed by a reporter for an English-language television station by telling him repeatedly that his party would do their “breast” to make the most of a disappointing result. 43 minutes for me, with one wrong, which will learn me to stop inventing words.

ACROSS

1. GAME – double definition.
3. ACETIC ACID – AC + IT reversed in ACE + CID. I was pretty proud of myself thinking of ‘lactic acid’, but sadly, when I got round to parsing the clue, I couldn’t quite see how ‘lac’ could mean great. I thought it just about possible, though, on the basis that a ‘vide’ could mean a hole at 24a.
9. END-USER – ENDURES (‘puts up with’) with two letters doing a swap. I don’t know about you, but I’ve never liked the expression ‘end-user’. But then, I don’t like words like ‘product’ (as in ‘We need to make more product’) or ‘grow’, when used transitively (‘We aim to grow our business by 200% this year’), so I score highly on the intolerant-of-anything-that-smacks-of-business-jargon scale.
11. NITPICK – TIN reversed + PICK. ‘Nitpick’ is putting itself in contention for the Kim Kardashian Award for High Visibility.
12. TONGUE-IN-CHEEK – INCH in TONGUE + EEK. Collins to the rescue prevention of nitpicking wise, with its seventh nominal sense of TONGUE being ‘utterance or voice (esp in the phrase give tongue)’.
14. CHAPS – double definition, putting one in mind of frontier folks who ate beans.
15. OUBLIETTE – [d]OUB[t] + I in LETTE[r] for the place even Jason Bourne would be hard pressed to escape from on his motorbike after he’s ridden across the Algerian rooftops chasing the bloke who looks like Youri Djorkaeff.
17. THE CREEPS – HE in an anagram* of RESPECT.
19. EERIE – E + ERIE.
21. SOCIAL CHAPTER – SOCIAL + CHAPTER (as in ‘Dean and Chapter’, which body stalks Trollope’s novels). I’m no fan of the European Union (or whatever it’s calling itself now), so I will merely quote Oxford: ‘The section of the Maastricht Treaty dealing with policy on social matters such as workers’ rights and welfare.’
24. EMINENT – NET* around MINE (not ‘vide’).
25. ABREAST – ‘level’, as in he pulled ‘level’ in the final furlong plus a suckling babe doing what comes naturally.
26. MAGISTRATE – MAGI + sounds like ‘straight’.
27. SKID – S + KID.

DOWNS

1. GREAT SCOTT – the definition is ‘my’ (more often masquerading as a single word such as ‘cor’ or ‘blimey’); GO-CART TEST*.
2. MADONNA – DO in MANNA.
4. CARNIVORE – the literal is ‘elephant is not one’; CARE around N + IVOR[y].
5. TUNIC – TUNI[s] + C.
6. CATHERINE PARR – TRAIN PREACHER*. ‘Survived’ in terms of the mnemonic, Ms Parr holds the distinction of being the most-married English queen – unless Elton John gets on his bike…
7. CRICKET – CRICK + ET. Personally, I think it’s unfair that a bunch of insects rubbing their forewings together and annoying the bejeezus out of you should be bracketed with a group of chaffinches trilling outside your window of a summer morning, but I had no say when the language was growing its meanings.
8. DUKE – K in DUE.
10. SQUASH RACKETS – the slightly posey full name for the preferred game of city types who grow businesses. I had ‘squash ladders’ for a while for no particular reason other than it fitted.
13. DESECRATED – this may prove to be the clue that makes the writing (and indeed reading) of this blog worthwhile in terms of crossword-related explication. Actually, I just worked it out myself: it’s DE[con]SECRATED, where a ‘con’ (‘criminal’) leaves ‘no longer to be used religiously’.
16. BUSHCRAFT – H in BUS + CRAFT – a useful skill-set (there’s another one) for those who like to get lost in the desert to find themselves.
18. EASTING – finally we have it, today’s clue for hot debate. I can’t find a single reference to that big ball of fire in the various dictionaries I’ve looked at. What we have are variations on the Oxford line, viz. ‘Distance travelled or measured eastward, especially at sea’. That star may rise in the east, but it doesn’t stay there from our perspective, so I have to say I don’t get this. If I were playing Scrabble, I would certainly challenge. But will the letters be withdrawn or will the setter get 5 points and a smug smile on his face? For the record, it’s T in EASING.
20. RATPACK – AT + P[erson] in RACK.
22. ASTER – [m]ASTER. Our flower du jour.
23. SEAM – SEA + M.

49 comments on “Times 26389 – Suffering from cramp?”

  1. i had the same query about easting. i know it as half an ordnance survey grid reference but nothing to do with the sun. i biffed citric acid befre realizing it didn seem to have much to do with the wordplay. 30 mins or so
  2. 24ac was evident to me, too; I quickly thought ‘vide=empty=hole’, even more quickly thought I really should return to think about this, and yet more quickly still submitted without thinking. I wondered about EASTING, and wonder now even more. Liked 4d and 20d.
  3. …although it says 4h 46m 7s on the leaderboard, as I had to abandon ship and do some work soon after starting.

    Definitely meatier and more enjoyable than the average Monday. DNK OUBLIETTE or SOCIAL CHAPTER, and took a long time to get the ACETIC ACID / CARNIVORE crossers.

    The clue for RATPACK was a bit (ahem) tortured, but I’ll give it COD for the definition.

    Thanks setter and Ulaca.

  4. Missed my 30 minute target by 1 minute today, delayed by 15ac and 25ac at the every end.

    ACETIC ACID was my first one in having considered “nitric” and rejected it as it would leave a bit more than a sour taste, and then “citric” which seemed more likely until I considered wordplay.

    Add me to the growing list of solvers who doesn’t understand the “sun” reference in 18dn. I lost time there considering “wanting” before checkers did for that idea.

    I wondered if there was more to “swapping a couple of positions” at 9ac, S (South) and R (Right) perhaps. I’m not sure it needs to be that specific but if I’d been blogging I’d probably have mentioned it just in case.

  5. My, my you are crabby today Ulaca! You have a go at the phrase “End user”,the EU, crickets, squash and Kim Kardashian (OK, she deserves it). Wrong side of the bed this morning?
    I took EASTING to mean the further East you go, the nearer you get to the sun, i.e. something of an &lit. But I’m not totally convinced.

    Edited at 2016-04-18 07:12 am (UTC)

  6. Found this easy enough to enter the answers in a pattern, for the second time in recent weeks .. nothing obscure except possibly the Easting question .. it’s only towards the sun for an hour or two each day
    Chirping crickets count as exotic here in SE England, and thus far more interesting than boring old chaffinches ..


  7. About 45mins, the last 10 or so on ABREAST. ‘evident’ didn’t occur to me, so no worries there. Put in EASTING from wp, assuming it was some technical term I dnk, so no worries there, either. Lots biffed, which, on this occasion, turned out to be ok.

    COD: OMNIVORE

  8. With me fresh as an aster on a Monday morning, all solved in twenty minutes. Never heard of EASTING so didn’t know the definition was obscure. Sadly nobody looking like Youri Djorkaeff is turning out for Wanderers now.
  9. FOI 6 dn CATHERINE PARR

    I know it is correct but I don’t like ‘M’ as the abbreviation for the plural marks – for me just the singular so LOI 23dn SEAM

    I’m with Ulaca on most of his crabiness – bar his COD –
    clinging is not the primary verb that associates babies with breasts – is it!? MY COD is 4 dn CARNIVORE
    I loathe passengers on trains and planes being referred to by over-chirpy staff as customers!

    For 24ac I just banged in EVIDENT – it is Monday after all – so 55 mins DNF

    Today was a :(-

    Marks slightly crippled old man finally with a grumpy old man(7)

    horryd Shanghai

    1. Collins to the rescue again on M: ‘(currency) mark(s)’

      I’ve no first hand experience of the baby situation, but it strikes me that, if the equipment is sufficiently voluminous, a baby might well cling thereto.

      1. “…if the equipment is sufficiently voluminous, a baby might well cling thereto.” So might a number of adults, given half a chance.
    2. Just checking, are you thinking currency, horryd, or something else? I’d have thought in that context it would suit both singular and plural.
  10. 22m, but with EVIDENT. ‘Vide’ for a hole just seemed so plausible that I didn’t think twice about it.
    I didn’t understand EASTING, but the wordplay was very clear so it didn’t bother me at the time. Seems a bit odd now that I know what it’s supposed to mean.
    1. I also tripped up on EVIDENT, putting a question mark next to it but not bothering to look again at the end. 8m 37s for the lot, with 21a as LOI.
  11. 35 minutes for me today, a slightly chewier than usual Monday offering, but very enjoyable. Hadn’t heard of EASTING, but I went where the wordplay pointed and was rewarded. Took a while to see LOI ABREAST. FOI DUKE. Considered ACETIC and CITRIC for the acid but quickly saw the wordplay for the correct answer. MINE was the first thing that came to mind for hole in the ground so wasn’t distracted by VIDE. Liked 4d and 13d. NIce puzzle and blog. Thanks U and setter.
  12. A 28′ dnf, having put in evident. The distance to the sun is an AU, so spent ages trying to fit this in. LOI ABREAST.
  13. 20.31, but I’d like to knock at least 5′ off that for neighbourly interruption. Too naive perhaps, to spot the possible booby traps at 21 and 24, or just lucky. Likewise, didn’t worry about EASTING too much, as the wordplay was unmistakable. I suppose, given the definitions cited, it’s true enough on occasions. I found a 1771 book on surveying which goes into the subject in staggering detail, by the very earnest Thomas Breaks, but glazed over before finding an apposite quote.
    The two that almost did me were 3ac, where I had LACTIC, since lac/lakh is “an indefinitely vast number” which adequately translates “great”, and while I have no idea what lactic acid tastes like, I thought its association with milk might well indicate “sour”. This left me at 4d with the rather zen contemplation of what an elephant is not, beginning with A, hoping it wasn’t AIRWORTHY, because then I’d have had to discount Dumbo and make some changes elsewhere in the grid.
    This sort of thing messes with your mind. What is the sound of an elephant not being? And if it isn’t something in the middle of the forest, does its trumpeting make a noise?
  14. This has been associated with Frank Sinatra and his carousing buddies (Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jr. and someone else I can’t think of) for so long around here that I’d forgotten it had any other meaning. This went in smoothly across the whole grid which is unusual for me. 11.56
      1. Interestingly, both Frank and Sinatra have references in today’s Quickie. Is there an anniversary today I wonder?
  15. 18:16 for a gentle Monday. Still not happy about EASTING though. This is the distance East. Outside the two Tropics, the Sun is never in the east and indeed later in the day it is somewhat westerly. Scribbled it in though. Not getting into baby feeding habits but again, I thought this a bit strange. Thanks ulaca.
    1. Strictly speaking, the easting isn’t even a “distance”, in the sense of something measured in metres or miles. It is one half of a grid reference, and specifies the number of degrees that a particular point is east of the Greenwich meridian (or other reference point). It translates (broadly speaking) into an equivalent distance, of course, but not uniquely so without also knowing the radius of the earth at that point.
  16. I biffed Ransack at 20d which then threw me on Social Chapter. Wasn’t confident with Easting and feel setters should be a bit more literal on ‘scientific’ clues. Had a moan about elephants being herbivores before I read the clue properly. So fell into just about every ‘vide’ that the setter, erm, set. DNF a Monday which has sent me back into beginner’s class.
    Alan (will add an avatar one day)
  17. 24 mins today which Is over par for a normal Monday offering. I did not help myself by giving consideration to that star of the dawn chorus – the “crampet”. Fortunately I remembered that there is always one cricket reference in the solution.
  18. Is a dangerous thing. I knew plenty of acids, first put in CITRIC then once I had TUNIC I saw it must be LACTIC; then my LOI was the elephant thing beginning with A, no such word fitted, so a third re-think. Then I felt sure an elephant is a herbivore? Anyway I bunged in CARNIVORE and then had fallen into the VIDE v MINE hole so ended with a scrappy DNF after half an hour or so. Glad I wasn’t blogging this one, it had a messy feel to it, although there’s nothing too weird except EASTING which is a ?? for me, like Rob R above I knew the 150,000 km or so to the sun was an AU so I was hung up there too for a while.
  19. Just popping by to thank you for putting me right about crickets, which I had always thought made their racket by rubbing their back legs together.

    Helen – a long time lurker (also in Hong Kong)

  20. Thought I had a completion on my hands, they don’t happen that often, having fought the NW corner to the end. Opened the blog and found I had missed completing 23d,mainly because I was trying to justify term, its hidden, for join.
    I did like 1d

    Tyro Tim

  21. Hi all. Not an easy Monday. It appears I am the only philistine who had no prior knowledge of whatever an OUBLIETTE might be, or at least the only one willing to fess up. I constructed it from wordplay as my LOI, which added some extra time to my overall time. I also didn’t know these definitions of RATPACK or SOCIAL CHAPTER, not to mention the aforesaid issues with EASTING. Surprised to be all correct given these forays into the unknown. And I just looked up the OUBLIETTE. Yikes. I don’t know why you all have more knowledge of medieval French prison terminology than me, but I’m not totally unhappy about it. Regards.
    1. Hi Kevin. I’m pretty sure I only know oubliette from these puzzles so you’re probably suffering from poor memory rather than a lack of knowledge.
      1. I certainly do suffer from poor memory, so that indeed might be the case. I don’t recall ever seeing OUBLIETTE in these puzzles before, but of course that might be proving your point. Thanks Penfold.
        1. On 11 November 2010 who said: “This took me 45 minutes but I confess to needing aids for OUBLIETTE. I don’t think I’ve ever met this word before, and I couldn’t guess a likely arrangement of letters even with all the checkers”?

          It came up in 2008 and 2011 as well for certain. Welcome to the club!

            1. Kevin,

              I guess that those Brits of my age who had to study French would know an oubliette as a place where you are just forgotten. As said above, it comes up once in a while.

  22. I’m afraid I was another “evident” so my 18 mins counts for nothing.
  23. 12:03. For some reason I found most of this pretty easy but got a bit stuck at the end on easting and, finally, Social Chapter.
  24. I luckily went for SOCIAL CHAPTER over SOCIAL CHARTER, had all sorts of acids before ACETIC (the one the lasted the longest was LACTIC) and took forever going back and forth through the alphabet to get ABREAST. Phew!
  25. Ah yes, not MINE, that’s EVIDENT. Glad I’m in good company. SOCIAL CHAPTER seemed more likely (also in view of the clergy) than SOCIAL CHARTER, so at least that was right. All of which gives me 17ac (and over an hour’s solving time).
  26. Late solve today and a slow one at 42m but all correct with the now usual ?? over EASTING and what seemed like an endless struggle to deconstruct the elephant and the acid. Enjoyable blog – thanks, Ulaca.
  27. 8:28 for me. The top half went in at quite a decent lick and I had high hopes of a clean sweep. However, I had another ghastly senior moment trying to think what preceded the obvious (!?) CHAPTER in 21ac, and eventually abandoned the attempt.

    Like others I have my doubts about EASTING; and like Olivia I associate RATPACK with Sinatra and Co. (My wife has retired to bed so I’ll have to ask her another time, but I seem to remember her telling me that Peter Lawford came from round Ealing way and that she used to know a girl he’d dated in his younger days.)

    I assumed I’d finish a long way down the TCC leaderboard, but I seem to have fared better than likely. Anyway I found this a pleasant, reasonably straightforward start to the week.

  28. Well, heavens to Betsy! I was pretty sure that I had failed at 13d, which was a toss-up between “celebrated” and DESECRATED, and was pleasantly surprised to discover that I had plumed correctly. So, about 30 minutes for me.

    Looking back, I can’t see why I wasn’t faster, since everything seems reasonably straightforward in retrospect. I wasted a little time with “lactic acid” at 3ac, and my botanical knowledge failed me at 22d, but there were no NHOs – not even a single cricketing reference nor an obscure life-stage of a salmon (apart from 6d).

    1. Co-ho-ho!
      27 minutes, and all correct including parsing of desecrated & not understanding easting. But nearly tripped up trying to justify TERM as join.

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