QC 1445 by Tracy – An MER Fer ‘ER And An FER Fer Me, Cor Blimey Stone The Crows Me Old Pearly Queen!

Well what a week that was for eyebrows, and it is carrying over into the first puzzle of this week. Perhaps TfTT could apply for a royal warrant on the supply of acronyms for expressions of disapproval, as it was revealed last week that our very own MER, coined in the TfTT blog a couple of years ago, was suggested by David Cameron to Crossworld’s favourite royal, ER ‘erself, as a method of signalling disapproval for a vote for independence in the Scottish referendum a few years ago. He was obviously struggling to express himself when he suggested that it might help the vote go the ‘right’ way if ER were to “raise an eyebrow a quarter of an inch”, but if everything had happened a few years later he would have had a ready-made acronym for the concept: “Ma’am, you know when you were doing the crossword the other day and you had an MER about that dodgy clue? Well, might I suggest that the same thing could be put to good use in the current referendum difficulty?”

I’m afraid that I got so excited at the possibility that TfTT could be drawn into one of these earth-shaking constitutional battles that seem to happen about twice a week these days that I fell to composing a clue in celebration of the incident:

Prime minister returns no account about slight expression of disapproval (7)

(I’m sure you’ve all got it but just in case I am supplying the answer at the end of the blog below. And of course clue composition is not my strongest suit, so I’m sure somebody can come up with a better one and if so I’d love to see it.)

And just for good measure I’m throwing in the associated bad one-liner of the week:

“I told my wife she paints her eyebrows too high. She looked surprised.”

Anyway, coming to the puzzle (at last!), I thought this was a gentle offering from Tracy, apart from 5D which held me up a bit at the end and which gets my COD. I think it is one of those that I would have written straight in if it had been in the 15 x 15 just because it is the sort of word you expect to see over there, but it is perhaps slightly off the beaten track for the QC. I think my FOI was 9A as it took me a second pass to get the first two.

Although 5D was effectively my LOI in actuality it wasn’t because although I knew what the answer to 22D must be the clue didn’t work as far as I could see. So I left it until the end but then it only took a second to realise that my answer must be right and that I was going to have to deploy the eyebrow. And not just for an MER. No, not even for an HER (Half Eyebrow Raise). In this case nothing will do but the full Monty: an FER (Full Eyebrow Raise), because I think the setter has simply made an error, as explained below.

So apart from that apparent aberration, many thanks for an entertaining puzzle. And even with the aberration, many thanks for an excuse to deviate and expatiate upon alternative uses of the eyebrow other than the presumed evolutionary one of simply keeping bugs out of your eyes.

Definitions are underlined and everything else is explained just as I see it in the simplest language I can manage.

Across
7 Gift tied up at resort (8)
APTITUDE – straight anagram (‘resort’ – as in ‘re-sort’) of TIED UP AT.
8 Star clue (4)
LEAD – double definition.
9 Ordered in more wool (6)
MERINO – straight anagram (‘ordered’) of IN MORE.
10 Victor leaking wife’s secret (5)
INNER – wINNER (victor) ‘leaking’ W (wife).
11 Employ trick, right away (3)
USE – same idea: rUSE with R (right) ‘away’.
12 Name one foolish person, then another (6)
NITWIT – N (name) + I (one) + TWIT (foolish person).
14 Tired agent outside shelter (6)
SLEEPY – SPY (agent) ‘outside’ LEE (shelter).
16 Tabloid reportedly studied first (3-3)
RED-TOP – homophone (‘reportedly’) of READ (studied) + TOP (first).
18 Released a Parisian, drawn (6)
UNTIED – UN (French indefinite article, thus = ‘a Parisian’) + TIED (drawn).
19 Tear in jumper I purchased (3)
RIP – hidden word: jumpeR I Purchased.
20 Army chaplain quietly read novel (5)
PADRE –  P (piano, quietly) + anagram (‘novel’) of READ.
21 Black parasitic insect does for garment (6)
BLOUSE – B (black) + LOUSE (parasitic insect).
23 Old garment, article obtained in recession (4)
TOGA – A (article) + GOT (obtained) ‘in recession’.
24 Complex patterns in part of church (8)
TRANSEPT – straight anagram (‘complex’) of PATTERNS.
Down
1 The old man rises with very little desire to eat (8)
APPETITE – PA (the old man) reversed (i.e. ‘rises’ in this down clue) = AP + PETITE (very little).
2 Note short skirt (4)
MINI – if I remember my music theory correctly a MINIM is a two-beat note. Shorten it and you have MINI.
3 Issue dismissed (3,3)
PUT OUT – double definition.
4 Run two sons across lake (6)
SERIES – S + S (two sons) ‘across’ ERIE (one of the Great Lakes). A rare chance to quote the great Tom Waits:
“Sittin’ by the Erie with a Bull-whipped dog
Tellin’ everyone he saw they went thatta way, o boys,
Tellin’ everyone he saw they went thatta way.”
5 Noisy fellow supporting idea (8)
PLANGENT – GENT (fellow) ‘supporting’ (i.e. underneath in this down clue) PLAN (idea).
6 Adequate food, it’s said (4)
FAIR – homophone (‘it’s said’) for FARE (or FAYRE if you are going to be particularly twee in writing your pub signs) = food.
13 Take back and charge up (8)
WITHDRAW – WITH (and) + WARD (charge) reversed (i.e. ‘up’ in this down clue).
15 Exercises before first of several drinks (5-3)
PRESS-UPS – PRE (before) + S (first of Several) + SUPS (drinks).
17 Rather small-minded hiding last of cider (6)
PRETTY – PETTY (small-minded) ‘hiding’ R (last of cideR).
18 Optimistic at university before defeat (6)
UPBEAT – UP (at university) + BEAT (defeat).
20 Fifty on board vessel providing storyline (4)
PLOT – POT (vessel) with L (fifty in Roman numerals) ‘on board’.
22 Force out from famous street (4)
OUST – I believe this is meant to be a hidden word, but I am raising my eyebrow (how appropriate after last week’s royal raised eyebrow), and signalling not just an MER but an FER (Full Eyebrow Raise). I believe the setter MEANT famOUS STreet to give OUST but unfortunately there is an extra S in there. I hope someone can tell me I am wrong but that’s what it seems like to me. The only other way to read the clue that I could see was STREET = ST leaving OU somehow to mean famous, but I cannot find any basis for that.

And the answer to the clue in the preamble: CAMERON (NO AC (no account) ‘returned about’ MER (slight expression of disapproval). But of course that clue only works in the TfTT world, because nobody else, not even ‘ER indoors at the palace I suspect, knows what an MER is.

64 comments on “QC 1445 by Tracy – An MER Fer ‘ER And An FER Fer Me, Cor Blimey Stone The Crows Me Old Pearly Queen!”

  1. FOI was INNER and after a slowish start all went smoothly and I finished with WITHDRAW and REDTOP in 10:57.
    I did not spot the OUST error. COD to SERIES.
    David
  2. Jack, entirely agree for once. I find this style unreadable and the content verbose and irrelevant. Hard going! I skipped it.

    I too noted the error at 22dn OUST! Editor fast asleep no doubt!

    16 minutes alas!

    FOI 2dn MINI

    LOI 8ac LEAD

    COD 7ac APPTITUDE

    WOD 12ac NITWIT

    1. Just to be clear, I wasn’t commenting on the content of the blog only the discrepency in font sizes. I’ve no idea why this should be so but it seems to vary from device to device.

      I’m usually on a desktop PC running Windows 10 and viewing in Chrome, and that’s what my earlier comments were based on with the introduction and Across section in very large font (looks like point 16 when viewed at 100% zoom) and the Down section a bit smaller, say point 14. On my Android tablet and iPhone the font sizes are reversed so that the intro and Across clues are smaller than the Downs. I can work round it by adjusting the zoom size as I read but if any techies out there could identify the problem and come up with a solution it might be useful.

      1. I’ve got no fewer than three font sizes! – “massive” in the introduction, “too big” in the acrosses, and “big” in the downs.
    2. I very much agree about astartedon’s verbosity. It probably makes him feel good but it wastes an awful lot of our time.
      kpc
      1. Jeeeeeez really?!

        There’s me thinking Crosswords were meant to be fun!

        Appreciation for the time taken and effort put in to writing these blogs far outweighs petty grievances about a mistaken font size and a strong attempt at bringing something other than “there’s the answer chaps” to the blog.

        If you don’t like it don’t read it but grumpily dismissing the efforts of others (which is appreciated by most including me I’m sure!) just isn’t cricket!

  3. Didn’t notice the OUSST problem, but then I tend not to notice things; like hidden clues. Or the different type sizes! Probably a pb (I can’t believe I’ve ever gone below 4′) at 4:02.
  4. I spent a little time at the end trying to work out if PLANGENT could really be a word but as no alternatives sprung to mind I pressed submit with fingers crossed. Other than that it was relatively straightforward, although I missed the error, finishing in 9.20.
    Thanks for the blog
  5. 9 minutes and I agree with the blogger’s conclusion that the setter made an error at 22dn as I can’t think of how it could have been caused by a slip-up at the type-setting stage.

    I’m used to seeing the intro in a much larger font than the rest of the blog on alternate Mondays, but today the dividing line has moved downards to between the Across clues and the Down clues. It’s all a bit disconcerting.

    1. Darvid Parfitt (editor writes): Apologies for the error in the original version of 22D. “street” has now been replaced by “town”.
  6. I was terrible this morning, finishing in 6 (count them – SIX) Kevins for an Absolutely Awful Day. I knew it was going to be bad as soon as I saw that grid; today has exposed just how very dependent on first letters I am. Dear oh dear oh dear. I will not bore you with tales of my various failings.

    Thanks Don and Tracy.

    Dejected Templar

  7. 12.53; held up with RED TOP for the last month minute or two. Also confused by OUST but it had to be – I always assume if I think it’s an error that I’ve just missed something but maybe not today. PLANGENT also unknown.

    NeilC

  8. Like Templar, I found this a SCC effort at 5 Kevins. I was slow to start (APTITUDE didn’t click and PLANGENT and LEAD came slowly, later). I began from the bottom up. Wasted a bit of time on OUST but it had to be. WITHDRAW wasn’t obvious to me and I biffed TRANSEPT before I saw it was a well-disguised anagram (slow today….). Thanks to Tracy; now to read the don’s blog. John M.
  9. No difficulties with this, as I failed to spot the double SS in 22D. LOI PRETTY, where I tried PREFER first. I liked NITWIT. 4:31.
  10. ….on the QC, so I’m grateful to Don for WITHDRAW. I didn’t notice the pesky superfluous S at 22D.

    FOI MERINO
    LOI NITWIT
    COD RED-TOP
    TIME 3:23

  11. Thanks to Dave Parfett for being so upfront about the OUST error, for that is what it surely was. But he could have prevaricated and suggested that ‘from’ is the hidden indicator: I’ve seen both ‘of’ and ‘from’ used as such and I don’t like them.

    Edited at 2019-09-23 10:14 am (UTC)

  12. Mostly straightforward, but I got stuck in the NE corner. Lead, fair and inner were minor hold ups, but took me over the half hour mark and then series took a while longer. I realised that the fellow in 5d was probably gent, but as I neared the hour mark I decided to give up or at least take a break for a while. As so often happens, when I returned a little while later, the plan/idea possibility jumped out at me, but the word plangent is entirely new on me. Not sure I remember padre meaning army chaplain either. COD to 13d or 9a.
  13. Bit naughty as “sign” could also mean star or clue. Went for that first until tried down clues
    1. There is no sarcasm intended.

      The efforts of the bloggers are very much appreciated – that’s how we all learn. In addition the daily comments from jackkt and kevingregg are very welcome.

      But we are all busy people and frankly are not looking for humour or details of bloggers’ domestic affairs etc.
      Whenever I see “astartedon” I reach for the page forward button to get to the relevant parts of his blog.

      It would be useful if you would identify yourself with your initials or whatever.

      And maybe cut down on teh blasphemy.

      kpc

      1. I am a slow reader, but even I only took a couple of minutes to read the blog. Surely even the busiest people can afford two minutes! I enjoy the humour too.

        I am enormously grateful for all the time and effort the bloggers put into helping me. I can now complete most of the QCs and usually manage to parse (almost) everything. Without the amazing help from this site I would have given up on cryptics long ago.

        So a HUGE thank you to all the bloggers. As I see it, you deserve to have free rein!! MM

  14. Thanks for the comments. I’ll give a couple of comments in reply and then shut up.

    I am very short-sighted and my reading sight is getting worse so I pump up the font size when writing the blog because it makes it easier for me to read. I had assumed that being easier to read might also be a benefit for other readers and that it would at least not be to anybody’s detriment but it seems on balance it is better to post the blog in the normal sized font. I will therefore try to remember in future to resize the font to normal after I have used the larger size for my writing and editing.

    As for my comments in the preamble, most weeks nowadays I do stick simply to solving the puzzle and then getting out. When I first started I assumed that people would like a bit of extra material as well so I used to write a bit of padding, once even composing a little story using all the answers from that week’s puzzle. Some people found this entertaining and some found it boring, but on balance the feedback was not all that positive so I started slimming my blogs down.

    Every now and again though something comes up which I feel may be worthy of extra comment, as was the case here. I did not do it, as someone has suggested, to make myself feel good. I just did it because it entered my head. Quite honestly the only thing that makes me feel good after writing this blog is a positive response, for example when somebody says that they found my elucidation of a clue helpful, or when something I have written sparks a comment from someone else and it begins to feel a bit like the start of a conversation.

    As for the content not being to some people’s taste, well, it’s a bit like me and television. I can’t stand watching it most of the time, but it certainly seems to be popular with a lot of people. Luckily though there are other rooms in the house where I can do other things when it is on. I don’t need to harangue the watchers and tell them to turn it off. So if I write a preamble that you find boring then do please just skip to the explanations and surely no harm is done?

    The last thing I want though is for people to make negative comments at each other. That certainly doesn’t make me feel good. Thank you for the anonymous poster who waded in on my behalf, that was very kind of you. But honestly I do regret the fact that I seem to have provoked at least two people to ire. That is not my intention. It is no hardship to me to keep the blogs short and to the point and in future I will try to do so.

    1. Don, I really like your blogs and I am grateful for the time and effort which you put into them. I am sad that people took the time to comment negatively. I stopped participating here when what has happened to you also happened to Jeremy. Don’t be downhearted.
      1. i wasn’t on yesterday and have just caught this up due to a comment made in my blog today. This comment is to thank you and everyone else for supportive comments and also to say that I wondered where you’d got to – we missed you – now I understand (and respect) why.
        1. Thanks, Chris, for your kind comment. As my aged mother used to say, “if you only have unpleasant things to say, it’s usually best to say nothing.” In this, as in so many other things, she was spot on.
    2. Just ignore the naysayers. As far as I am concerned anyone willing to give their time to help us can say and present how they want. I enjoy people bloggers widening the picture so well done. Good crossword and tricky NE Done in just over 10 mins.
      1. I, too, would like to jump to the defence of astartedon. Whether reading the blog on a PC or on a smartphone it is easy enough to just scroll forward to the answers to the clues if one doesn’t want to read the preamble. Personally, I enjoy reading the introduction, and I remember the story astartedon created, which I thought was very clever. I appreciate the time and effort that all the bloggers put in, and hope that astartedon resists the temptation to keep his blogs short and to the point.
    3. Dear astartedon,

      Pretend that you’re reporting on a football match and get stuck into the meat of the action pronto. We don’t need to know what you had for breakfast or how you travelled to the stadium – reserve the chummy banter for your Facebook pals.

      It’s very telling that your resolve to be more concise takes another 6 paragraphs.

      “If brevity be the soul of wit…”

      Polonius

      1. As Homer Simpson might say, “Oh, they even have internet policemen on crossword blogs now”.
      2. Telling the analogy you chose, I suspect a lot of the people here are more likely to follow cricket and are well used to TMS digressions. As others have commented, why not just scroll down (as I did)? If It isn’t there the people that enjoy reading it miss out, and suggesting that they should be deprived for your convenience seems an unpleasant form of entitlement.
    4. Just come back on here before posting about today’s QC and seen the unnecessarily harsh comments about the blog yesterday, so I just wanted to add my support for Astartedon. I never even noticed the font change as I’m used to my computer doing all sorts of weird things that I don’t understand, and as to the content of the blog, if people don’t want to read it then they don’t have to, but there are plenty of us that do, so keep up being as unconcise as you like.
  15. I cannot agree with the blogger. This puzzle was incredibly hard for those of us who are fairly new. I am usually ok with Tracy puzzles but this was was completely unsolvable to me. Not even sure if I have learnt anything from this bizzare clueing. Bring back the old Tracy.
  16. My work mate and I do the crossword in tandem. I have lunch first and do as much as I can then she has a go. Often she’ll bring it back to our desks and we’ll have another sneaky 5 minutes. We still don’t always finish as we are slow coaches but enjoy it. Today we finished, just looking up synonyms for 8ac, 7ac, and the meaning of 5dn – we got the answer but not why. We also got OUST but missed the extra s.
    -CHS
  17. At 3d I originally had PUT OUT and then changed it to RUN OUT, since it seemed more appropriate for ‘dismissed’ and equally valid for issue. I still think it’s the better answer, to be honest, and had thought I might come here to see similar complaints – but obviously I’m on my own!

    Speaking of complaints, please disregard them, astartedon. It’s your blog, you’re providing a free service and trying to entertain along the way. It’s a shame that others can’t just scroll past if they don’t like it.

    1. I think RUN OUT is perfectly good (and not just because I put it)… the only possible counterargument is that “RUN OUT” for “issue” is a little obscure for a QC puzzle. But that’s not a great counterargument, is it?

      Amazed not to see more 1-offs in the leaderboard, tbh.

  18. The clue in the crossword club online now reads “Force out from famous town” so obviously somebody eventually woke up. Jeffrey
  19. Jackkt
    Thanks for the eyebrow gag. Not sure of the relevance but worthy of Tim Vine.
    For those who didn’t spot oust don’t worry if u did the e version. It had changed by lunchtime
    Bit tough today. DNK plangent. Also a pleasure
    Johnny
  20. Well, I found this Tracy really tough. Probably to the point of not being really enjoyable. Maybe I was just having an off day. As to the views over the bloggers’ preamble: well, I enjoy them all. Perhaps they give me some insights to the way the minds of the experts work. You carry on! If we don’t like them, we can skip forward. I’m only so grateful some people are prepared to freely give of their time and that has, and still does, help me a lot.
  21. Personally I enjoy the extras from our bloggers and posters – they bring a touch of humanity and humour to the site and it would be a shame if people felt they had to hold back because of a few negative comments.

    So thank you to all the bloggers who give up their time so early in the day (or late at night) to help the rest of us.

  22. I agree and I think it is possibly better. It’s just a case of which answer occurs to you first. As it happened PUT OUT came first to me but it could easily have been the other way around, particularly with the Oval Test being fresh in the mind.
  23. I’ll add my support for Don too.

    I always enjoy it when bloggers add some colour to their explanations.

    Don’t let the miserable buggers get you down!

  24. Hi Don. As a fellow QC blogger I totally support your enlivenment of the blog with your own thoughts and reactions to the crossword. We all have our different styles and my own is more to disappear round rabbit holes with individual clues and. no doubt, some of my wafflings may irritate some people, but they can scroll on by if they want. Be yourself and keep doing what you are doing! But, if you don’t mind, a MER at the font mallarky, 😉
    1. Thanks John, much appreciated. And point taken about the font size. I only pump it up to help me read it while I am writing it and will try to remember to shrink it again before publication in future.
  25. Thank you to everybody who has written in with support for my blogs to be any length and to include any subject matter that occurs to me (within reason of course). It reminds me of David Ogilvy, for whose agency I once had the pleasure of working. When people asked him whether he favoured long or short copy, he just said copy should be as long as it needs to be.

    I must have been feeling a bit under the weather this morning to have capitulated so easily. I now realise at this end of the day that I did something that I try never to do: I gave in to a bit of bullying. And not even very fierce bullying at that. Just a bit of playground barracking really.

    It certainly is true that I have no wish to upset anybody, but in this case I did nothing to upset any reasonable person. As has been pointed out several times, people don’t have to read what they don’t like or can’t be bothered to read.

    Even when I posted my conciliatory message another complaint came back that it was too long (and to be honest I predicted to myself that that would happen). Surely an attempt to pour oil on the waters could have been met with better grace? And the advice I was given at that point came from who? Shakespeare, certainly. But out of the mouth of Polonius, ever the model for peddlers of well-meaning but empty platitudes and homilies, who ends up skewered as “a rat, dead for a ducat” while snooping around behind an arras, and later becomes the subject of the best black humour joke in the whole of Shakespeare.

    Shades of Ulysses too. When Stephen Dedalus goes to visit the tedious Mr Deasy in the Nestor episode of the Telemachiad to receive his pay he is urged to follow Shakespeare’s advice and “put money in thy purse”. Stephen, however, despising the old fool, recognises the line and denounces it as coming from the mouth of Iago, hardly the most trustworthy of Shakespeare’s characters.

    Did you see what I did there? Well blow me down, I think I went over the top again in verbosity and high-flown rhetoric. And I played fast and loose with Hamlet, Othello and Ulysses into the bargain. And I bet some people didn’t like it.

    As it happens, my blogs are a lot shorter nowadays than they were when I started, simply because as time has gone on I have realised how much time they take. But you are all absolutely right. If it occurs to me to write something then I should just write it whilst exercising normal discretion and otherwise be damned. Let the critics wear their scrolling fingers to the bone.

    So many thanks again to all of you. My backbone feels a lot stronger now and my skin has thickened like Sunday’s custard. I certainly don’t feel like capitulating again.

    1. The major fault with astartedon’s voluminous introductions is that they are simply in the wrong place. This is a forum for those interested in QC crossword solutions – in which area he acquits himself as well as most. The forum is not a playground for the flights of fancy of the amateur essayist.

      Today’s overlong dialogue stems entirely from astartedon’s hyper sensitivity and unwillingness to accept horryd’s quite correct and overdue comment of this morning about “verbose and irrelevant” content.
      It’s about time someone went public on this regular annoyance.

      Astartedon’s preambles are akin to fouling people’s doorsteps and telling them when they see it to step over it.

      He makes the case against himself yet again by bombarding us with 8 tedious paragraphs of self indulgent and self pitying verbiage. Astartedon is not being bullied at all – just being politely asked not to be so prolix – a sin he has confessed to. Is he not familiar with the term “club bore”?

      My heart sinks when I see “astartedon” as the blogger’s name – I know I’ll have to wade through piles of uninteresting, boring and irrelevant material that has nothing to do with the QC – till I eventually reach the blog proper where sanity prevails.

      I regret I have been able to stretch my comments to a mere 6 paragraphs.

      From a QC novice

  26. Thank you, Don, for your blogs, which I always enjoy. When I have time, I read your intro, when I haven’t, I don’t. But, I always appreciate your efforts to inform and amuse.
    Sal
  27. Thank you Astartedon for this literary frolic, which I enjoyed, and of course the blog. I found today’s puzzle quite tough, though enjoyed many of the clues when I finally got them. Also somewhat shamed to admit that I did not know PLANGENT. Solving on paper, I hit the problem with OUST, and concluded that the clue would work a lot better with town instead of street, so happy to hear that I wasn’t the only one with that thought. For 3 down I had RUN OUT, which was my first thought. I did then consider PUT OUT, which seemed to fit less well, but now I see how it can in fact work somewhat better, although I don’t tend to think of “putting” people out in a game. COD candidates were SERIES and WITHDRAW (for the clever parsing).
  28. I started with RUN OUT, agonised for a while, then changed it to the correct PUT OUT. Both seem fine really.

    And I am all for bloggers being given rein to say what they want, in whatever way they think fit. They are providing a free service in an entertaining manner. Different styles are all part of the enjoyment.

  29. All those of you making negative comments about the blogger should hang your heads in shame. I was really shocked reading some of the rude and nasty comments. Anyone who doesn’t appreciate or like this blog can I suggest you go find a different site to learn from. Like others have said before I really enjoy the comments and banter, I have learnt a lot from this site and certainly appreciate the time and effort that goes into keeping this going. Keep up the good work and don’t let the poor behaviour of a few individuals, spoil it for the majority. Denise (a long time lurker who felt compelled to say something).
    1. We all agree that all the QC bloggers do a brilliant job in trying to educate us every day – till one fine day we may be able to tackle the heights of the 15 x 15 puzzles.
      No one says otherwise.
      I think the bloggers get a kick out of it too.

      But have a look at astartedon’s last posting. A lot of it is really almost a cut and paste job from a precocious 6th former’s ‘A’ English essay. Does it really belong in a QC forum? Is it interesting? Is it amusing? Is it informative? Is it relevant? What’s the point of it?

      I don’t know astartedon but am I getting a slight hint of “Oh! What a clever boy I am” – and you all have to know it.

      I can’t prevent the word “logorrhoea” coming to mind.
      (Chambers : “an excessive flow of words, uncontrollable garrulity”.)

      Long live all the bloggers – and the setters!

      1. Astartedon tells us he worked at Ogilvy perhaps as a copywriter? Do you know Finky, my most recent partner at Ogilvy!?

        If only he had worked at DDB, CDP or Saatchi & Saatchi he might have learnt the ways of David Abbott,John Salmon, Charlie Saatchi, Adrian Holmes,Paul Arden, David Brown et al

        Tony Brignull was the master of long copy. One wanted to read every word!

        No streams of consciousness thereabouts.

        Are you from the Indra Sinha / Salman Rushdie School of advertising?

        I worked with all the above (bar Rushdie) – you are not in their class, I can assure you.

  30. I never claimed to be in anybody’s class. I simply mentioned one of the places where I had worked in a career that has spanned Science, Education, Engineering, Law and Advertising (and probably some other things that I have forgotten). In the last discipline I specialised in Pharmaceuticals and Medical Education and so inhabited very different waters from the FMCG/Glamour Goods environment of horryd and his mates.

    I too admired the Advertising greats and I learned a lot from them. I never hero-worshipped them however, whereas it sounds as though horryd has a bad case of the Leo Burnetts – looking up at the stars but not quite getting there? (Sorry, there is no malice intended in that. I simply couldn’t resist the opportunity of misapplying and weaponising one of the great man’s aphorisms in the current context. I know nothing of horryd’s career and I am sure it has been a highly distinguished one.).

    For the record I did in fact win a Pharmaceutical Marketing Award for Copywriting, and I say that not to appear clever but simply to put an objective flag in the sand and show that although of course I did not reach the heights of the advertising stars cited by horryd (I mean, obviously, if I had done I would have been one of them, wouldn’t I?) I was at least half-decent at my job. I am also unfashionably proud of the achievement, particularly given that I only spent about a tenth of my total working life at Ogilvy.

    (Unfashionable because it is one of the great paradoxes of life that although Adland enthusiastically attends its award bashes and strives to win the glittering prizes, the coolest thing is to drop them in the trash (or recycling bin nowadays) as you leave the ceremony. For people who spend their entire working life trying to attract public attention for their clients it has always amazed me how reluctant they are to accept recognition when they succeed. Perhaps it has something to do with the little piece of research cited by Ogilvy in his advertising ‘Bible’ that something like 75% of Clio Award winners went out of business fairly soon afterwards. But still, it’s nice to be appreciated).

    Just in passing though I thoroughly enjoyed my time at Ogilvy. It was the best working fun I ever had (apart from working for myself as I do now) and the friendships I formed there were lasting and pleasurable. It never seemed like work, more like going to a party every day with a group of endlessly interesting and entertaining guests. I would have loved to have carried on but fate took me in another direction and I’m sure horryd and anonymous will be pleased to know that even I will not embark on an explanation of that here.

    I am also inordinately proud that anonymous has praised my efforts at Eng Lit Crit so highly. To have my random ramblings compared favourably with a ‘precocious 6th former’s ‘A’ English essay’ must be one of my finest achievements as I never studied it beyond ‘O’ Level (those were the days) and even then I studiously managed to avoid reading any of the set texts (and they didn’t include Othello, Hamlet or Ulysses anyway). And although I didn’t cut and paste it I would not have sniffed at doing that as it has long been my philosophy that all of life is cut and paste. What’s more I learned that in Advertising, where there is nothing new under the sun. If you don’t believe me go back to Pompeii and have a look around. I am sure horryd will agree.

    But come on guys, can’t you tell by now that I’m long past caring what I’m writing in these posts? I’m just setting out bait. If you want to bite again then you’re welcome (and I’m sure you will because you seem like the sort of people who like to have the last word) but I won’t respond this time. That’s not to be rude, it’s just to move on. There is a lot more life out there that needs cutting and pasting.

    Seriously guys, no hard feelings, I love you to death and I am very grateful that you have taken the trouble to respond to my little blog and comments. As Mr Deasy of Ulysses fame would say “I like to break a lance with you”. There you go, once a precocious 6th former always a precocious 6th former.

    What’s so funny ‘bout peace, love and understanding?

    1. I was listening to “I’ll Change my Style” by George Thorogood and the Destroyers on Sunday. In your case, Don, it’s advice you don’t need !

      I admit I found this particular blog slightly wearing, but you should continue to be your own man. There are other times when I find your observations amusing and I’d hate that to change.

      “Nil Illegitimum Carborundum” as we used to claim was the real motto of my old grammar school (it was really “Labor Omnia Vincit” – which made zero appeal to me !)

    2. I know nothing of the copywriting heroes whose names have been bandied between horryd and astartedon. Was it one of them who said that “Advertising is the rattling of a stick inside a swill bucket”?

      Curious of NW10

  31. I cannot agree with the blogger. This puzzle was incredibly hard for those of us who are fairly new. I am usually ok with Tracy puzzles but this was was completely unsolvable to me. Not even sure if I have learnt anything from this bizzare clueing. Bring back the old Tracy.
  32. as per above, keep up the good work and ignore negativity.
    all bloggers are appreciated and if others don’t like it, they can scroll down- it’s not difficult.
    I’ve been using the blogs for a couple of years now and can usually fully parse and complete daily! without this blog, I doubt if I would have achieved the same.
    many thanks, Carl
  33. I am a long time reader here. I can usually finish, eventually, but find the help invaluable when I can’t parse the answer clearly, or just can’t get a clue or clues at all. I found this one tough and it was a fairly rare DNF, but I only felt moved to post by the comments on the intro.
    Most of those who post don’t need help, most complete in times I find mind boggling, but they clearly enjoy discussing, and competing to varying degrees. I enjoy reading their comments and digressions. Horryd seems as fond of a few digressions as any, generally not directly relevant to the answering of the clue itself. I enjoy that.
    I can however, without difficulty, scroll down a few paras if I am in a hurry, or get bored, albeit that I rarely do.
    If the answers are all you want, they will be there the next day. If it is chat you want, and help for the likes of me, this is a great resource. I don’t see any need to complain that someone adopts their own approach to a volunteer role in a forum for discussion.
    Plymouthian.
  34. Since my earlier post thanking everybody for their messages of encouragement in the recent ‘debate’ a whole load more of you have posted. Thanks to all those new posters likewise. I very much appreciate it.

    Don

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